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Should Imus resign?

111 durable postsStarted 2007-04-09Latest 2007-04-23
#841350Post 81 of 111

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turn into [URL="http://www.wfan.com"]www.wfan.com[/URL] right now.

franscesca and russo are about to go off on behalf of Imus. they have kids, parents, vendors, and more... seriously, listen in.

and i quote

"today, is the voice for imus, for all the people that are alive because of him, for everyone he helps, for his family, and if it costs us our jobs, so be it"

they, btw, are the original sports talk pariing, and the highest rated sports show outside of the NFL pre game.

#841446Post 82 of 111

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[quote=res0nat0r;473759]^^hahah good point....[/quote]

That's why I made it earlier. 8)

#844297Post 83 of 111

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[quote=Miroslav;473762]I think Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are nappy-headed hos.[/quote]

No argument here. They are both a bunch of judgemental pricks.

#844321Post 84 of 111

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he was fired completely. cost 3 children's charities over 1 million today.

for awhile,... im gonna think twice as to where i shop.. and i will not be watching CBS ever.

i hope sharpton's head shows up decapitated on a corner tomorrow.

#844343Post 85 of 111

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What gets me is how quickly CBS, MSNBC, and the sponsors all gave in to Sharpton, Jackson, and the other groups. They didn't support Imus at all considering all the money and years service he put in with those employers and sponsors.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are race vultures. Their livelihood depends on situations like this. It would be different if they were making a difference and changing things. They haven't been sucessful with rap artists so far.

I guess this proves we really don't have freedom of speech any longer or we lost it already. You can say what you want, but there are consequences which really isn't freedom.

#844345Post 86 of 111

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[quote=superdave;473989] I guess this proves we really don't have freedom of speech any longer or we lost it already. You can say what you want, but there are consequences which really isn't freedom.[/quote] fucking A right.

#844346Post 87 of 111

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so the fucking wanker got fired... hmm shit happens.

#844347Post 88 of 111

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[quote=superdave;473989]I guess this proves we really don't have freedom of speech any longer or we lost it already. You can say what you want, but there are consequences which really isn't freedom.[/quote]

ah yes...perhaps the single most misunderstood Constitutional amendment, ever. The First Amendment only says that [I]Congress[/I] can't pass legislation that restricts your freedom of speech.

It was [U]never[/U] intended to mean that [I]no one[/I] can in any way restrict your freedom of speech - particularly private entities.

There have always been restrictions to your freedom of speech and there have always been consequences to be faced. That's "normal" in pretty much every society I can think of.

#844358Post 89 of 111

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Right. There is no law that says people can't pass judgement on you for exercising your free speech.

I don't really care if Imus got fired or not. The part that I am concerned about is how this is such a pathetic case of selective outrage. Guys like Sharpton and Jackson are grandstanding this issue because a white guy said something about black girls But they won't lift a finger to get at the more serious issue of rap culture which is becoming mainstream and is glorifying the sort of behavior which Imus was mocking.

#844359Post 90 of 111

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You can't expect to have that much power and be able to say what you want. He abused his privilege of air time. Had he used a little more tact, then this would not have happened.

#844369Post 91 of 111

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[quote=Localizer;474006]You can't expect to have that much power and be able to say what you want. He abused his privilege of air time. Had he used a little more tact, then this would not have happened.[/quote]

I agree. Granted, I think Jesse and Al gleefully and unfairly blew this incident way out of proportion. And God knows there are enough other examples out there of hypocrisy, etc. But in general, this is not the first time Imus has said stuff like this and rubbed people the wrong way.

Just because Don has a legal right for Congress not to restrict his freedom of speech, it doesn't mean that he gets to sit in front of his microphone and spew garbage and be immune from any retaliation by society - who are, after all his listeners, sponsors, and employers. If you're on radio or TV and you make your living by taking cheap shots at people and calling them thieving Jews, lesbos, chinks, nappy headed hos, and whatever else he habitually said, then don't be surprised when you're eventually shunned.

I don't think that he should've been fired over this as a racial incident, but from a basic decency standpoint...can't say I'm really very sorry that he'll be gone.

#844374Post 92 of 111

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[QUOTE=subterFUSE;474005]Right. There is no law that says people can't pass judgement on you for exercising your free speech.

I don't really care if Imus got fired or not. The part that I am concerned about is how this is such a pathetic case of selective outrage. Guys like Sharpton and Jackson are grandstanding this issue because a white guy said something about black girls But they won't lift a finger to get at the more serious issue of rap culture which is becoming mainstream and is glorifying the sort of behavior which Imus was mocking.[/QUOTE]

Al Sharpton, in a interview yesterday, claims that he has in the past and plans to go after rappers too. He agrees that rappers misogynistic lyrics are wrong and needs to change. Personally, I don't believe he's really trying to change rappers and certainly hasn't been successful.

I think he's a using race to make money. He's probably done some good bringing up racial injustice when it happens and it does. However, I think he's in it more for the money.

#844393Post 93 of 111

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Talk is cheap. I want to see him take action against the rap industry which spews the crap that Imus was immitating.

Imus did nothing wrong except to try and use modern, popular slang. Fucking 6th graders would have used the exact same words, or probably worse. Where is the outrage over THAT?

#844397Post 94 of 111

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[quote=subterFUSE;474040]Talk is cheap. I want to see him take action against the rap industry which spews the crap that Imus was immitating.

Imus did nothing wrong except to try and use modern, popular slang. Fucking 6th graders would have used the exact same words, or probably worse. Where is the outrage over THAT?[/quote]

There is no outrage because 6th graders don't have their own nationally syndicated radio and TV shows.

#844402Post 95 of 111

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hes fired !!

[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070412/ap_en_tv/imus_protests[/URL]

#844421Post 96 of 111

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shakes head

#844430Post 97 of 111

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its bullshit that he got fired......

#844440Post 98 of 111

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funny... lets get something straight (you've been dissing my country 24/7.)

and the other day I decided that i had enough and i told someone to go back to Auschwitz and called him "jew" ...most of you guys wanted me banned !! here is the link: [URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39472&page=3[/URL]

I understand your position but stop being hypocrites as well.

#844445Post 99 of 111

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Ahh good old American stupidity and people working their hardest to skate by and fuck up someone else who is making more money than them win out in the end and Imus is fired, pretty goddamn retarded if you ask me. Well at least they were kind enough to wait until the end of the radiothon today huh? What were they aiming for when I tuned in for a bit 2 million dollars raised for charity today? Nice to see that shit gone...now time will have to be wasted reorganizing around this bs instead of focusing on next years fundraising efforts. I would like to thank Fox, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and Reuters and whoever else for picking up on 30 seconds of radio commentary and making it into something that actually was important and screwing someone over even though it was not "pc". It was nice that Oreilly last night kept asking Sharpton if he was going to go after Ludacris (his favourite gangsta target btw), et al as much as he has gone after Imus and he kept backpedaling and really wouldnt give an answer. Things that make you go hummmm.....

On one hand as was said before in this thread it is good in America where we have reached a point where African Americans who were once derided now can have outspoken freedom of speech as this, but on the other hand when tiny comments get blown out of porpotion into "he stole our moment from us" (bitch you didnt even know who he was before you caught Inside Edition talking about this story!) type nonsense that causes people to lose their jobs I have to shake my head.

This country loves to blame others for their problems instead of each of us not being fucking lazy and being responsible for our own actions.

I'm off to file my suit against McDonalds for making me fat.

#844482Post 100 of 111

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[quote=apollo_1444;474096]funny... lets get something straight (you've been dissing my country 24/7.)

and the other day I decided that i had enough and i told someone to go back to Auschwitz and called him "jew" ...most of you guys wanted me banned !! here is the link: [URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39472&page=3[/URL]

I understand your position but stop being hypocrites as well.[/quote]

awww, boo hoo.

#844487Post 101 of 111

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anyone see CNN this morning? Jason Whitlock took Sharpton to task for some of the things he's criticized of in this thread, including exploiting the Duke players. Very interesting...

#844509Post 102 of 111

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well toasty, he's a race pimp. that's what he does!

#844536Post 103 of 111

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;474176]well toasty, he's a race pimp. that's what he does![/QUOTE]

Whitlock? You think? He's had the most rational take on this from anyone I've heard from any vocal member of the African-American community, imo...

#844674Post 104 of 111

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no, that was in reference to Sharpton.

#845065Post 105 of 111

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i can tell you, as a NY'er, after talking to a lot of people, both black and white, this event has polarized race relations in NY a lot. to the point where whites arent saying anything, but i have heard more than a few say they wont deal with blacks at all in the future, and the vice versa as well. opinions were changed big time because sharpton and jackson, and im just as guilty, as i will be constantly thinking about this every time i see a black perosn.

#845070Post 106 of 111

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[quote=thesightless;474818]i can tell you, as a NY'er, after talking to a lot of people, both black and white, this event has polarized race relations in NY a lot. to the point where whites arent saying anything, but i have heard more than a few say they wont deal with blacks at all in the future, and the vice versa as well. opinions were changed big time because sharpton and jackson, and im just as guilty, as i will be constantly thinking about this every time i see a black perosn.[/quote]

i don't think all blacks are jackasses like those two imo.

#847707Post 107 of 111

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Meanwhile, Vivien Stringer just announced that she is writing an autobiography.

#847960Post 108 of 111

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[quote=apollo_1444;474824]i don't think all blacks are jackasses like those two imo.[/quote]

Me too. Jackson and Sharpton just "think" they are speaking for all blacks.... when the truth is most blacks I know are just as annoyed with them as I am.

It's just like they said on South Park.... "Jesse Jackson isn't the emperor of black people." :lol:

#847988Post 109 of 111

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^Agreed. Amazing what they get a way with because of the color of their skin.

#848249Post 110 of 111

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Tim Wise on Imus: [URL="http://www.lipmagazine.org/%7Etimwise/Imus.html"]http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/Imus.html[/URL]

[quote] [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=5][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=4][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Or, my favorite, as regards the Imus matter: "Yeah, Imus was wrong to say what he said, but the people criticizing him, like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, are even worse." One has to wonder what white folks would do if Jackson and Sharpton weren't around; who would we have to divert attention from our own biases? Attacking these two is the default position of white America whenever one of ours does something wrong: "Well what about Jackson? What about Sharpton?" This is then followed by a reminder of the former's "Hymietown" statement, and the latter's involvement in the Tawana Brawley affair.

[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=5][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=4][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]But even if one accepts the standard white critique of Jackson and Sharpton, the argument nonetheless amounts to a colossal failure to apply "personal responsibility" logic to oneself and one's community. It is yet another attempt by whites to change the subject. Not to mention, both men's past foibles exacted a price from them as well, from which it took several years to recover. It's not as if they received a free pass, and to be sure, had either man had a radio show at the time, there is no doubt that they too would have been canned by their employers for making racist, or anti-Semitic comments. Twenty-three years later, Jackson's comments about New York still haunt him, and no doubt had an impact on his political career, for example. As with Jackson and Sharpton, Imus should be able to redeem himself over time, to be sure. But as with both men, he shouldn't expect redemption to happen immediately, and without first paying a price.

[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=5][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=4][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]And truthfully, to say that Sharpton and Jackson are more offensive than Imus is almost incomprehensible. On the one hand you have two men who have spent their entire adult lives in the struggle for equal rights. On the other, you have a talk show host whose career has been about offending people and pushing the boundaries of good taste. A man who told [I]60 minutes[/I] in 1998 that he hired his co-host, specifically to tell "nigger jokes." A man who calls tennis star Amelie Mauresmo a "big lesbo" on air. A man whose contribution to the world amounts to shocking people in morning drive time. Hardly comparable to registering voters, fighting for civil rights, running empowerment organizations that seek to build community unity, or any of the other endeavors in which Jackson and Sharpton have been involved.

[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=5][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=4][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]But here's the bigger truth: if white folks are tired of seeing Jackson and Sharpton out front whenever white racism rears its ugly head, there's an easy way to solve that problem. Namely, all we have to do is [I]do the work ourselves[/I]! If whites were willing to stand up and unapologetically, and without equivocation, condemn the racism in our community--following the lead of grass-roots folks of color with names far less known than the two men in question--perhaps Jackson and Sharpton wouldn't have to be the ones leading the rally. Maybe they could take a break. Maybe they could get a much-needed and earned vacation. But that's the problem: most whites do nothing in the face of racism. Most of us don't speak up, don't talk back, don't challenge family, friends, colleagues, or anyone else when they engage is racist actions or merely tell racist jokes. We sit back and remain largely silent, or condemn but only with caveats included. No wonder black leaders like Jackson and Sharpton end up being the visible faces of resistance: we aren't showing up at all, so what are they supposed to do?

[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=5][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=4][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]At the end of the day, it is white silence and collaboration that has always made racism--whether of the personal or institutional type--possible. If whites had, in larger numbers, joined with folks of color to challenge white supremacy, there is no way that such a system could have been maintained. There is no way that racist persons would be able to spew their venom without fear of reprisal, in most cases. They would know that such verbiage, or racist actions would be met forcefully, and that those engaging in such things would be ostracized. But white silence and inaction has given strength to the racists, whether on radio or in corporate offices, or government positions, or police uniforms; it has emboldened them to act out, since they have long had little reason to believe anything would happen. Slaveowners would have been powerless had the whites who didn't own slaves stood up to them and challenged their evil; so too with segregationists, those who lynched thousands of blacks from the late 1800s to the early 60s, and those who engage in discrimination today. The silent and passive collaborators with injustice are just as bad as those who do the deed, and have always been such. And too often, those folks have been [I]us[/I].

[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=5][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=4][FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][SIZE=1][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial, helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=2]Only when whites decide to connect with the alternative tradition of resistance, as opposed to collaboration, will things change. Only when we choose to take our place in the line--however much longer it should be--of antiracist white allies, will we be in a position to lecture folks of color on how they come at the issue. And even then, we'll have far more to learn than to teach in that regard. But until that time, and for however long white folks decide to remain on the sidelines in this struggle, our entitlement to say much of anything sideways to the Jacksons or Sharptons of the world will remain virtually non-existent. Pay some dues, and then maybe you can talk. Until then, shut it down. [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [/quote]

#848619Post 111 of 111

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i refuse to read tim wise. now THAT is white denial...

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