As of today, it has been 2001 days since we were attacked by Osama bin Laden. Where the hell is he? Why hasn't he been brought to justice? What happened to "Wanted: Dead or Alive?" It's not like we suck at hide and seek -- we found Saddam Hussein in a fucking hole in the ground in the desert, FFS. Bin Laden's on dialysis, that's gotta leave a trail of some sort.

The reason we haven't found him? We just aren't looking that hard. I can't imagine what else it could be.

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That's why Cheney went to Pakistan last week. He wants to put pressure on Pakistan to find Bin Laden who is thought to be near the Pakistan border.

Plus, we've been looking for him since 9/11. It's not like everyone's forgotten about him.

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[quote=toasty;457086]As of today, it has been 2001 days since we were attacked by Osama bin Laden. Where the hell is he? Why hasn't he been brought to justice? What happened to "Wanted: Dead or Alive?" It's not like we suck at hide and seek -- we found Saddam Hussein in a fucking hole in the ground in the desert, FFS. Bin Laden's on dialysis, that's gotta leave a trail of some sort.

The reason we haven't found him? We just aren't looking that hard. I can't imagine what else it could be.[/quote]

the last four reports of a Bin Laden sighting were in Martinsville, IN. which would make sense if you know anything about Martinsville, IN.

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well, we could find him, but the required actions would force us to break about 100 differnet international treaties on the treatment of non military people. we could simply invade western pakistan and wreck shit house to house. and carpet bomb a few hundered thjousand acres of land. but too many people would cry, so now as it stands, we just have pressure pakistan until we either invade or OBL shows up dead.

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[QUOTE=superdave;457114] Plus, we've been looking for him since 9/11. It's not like everyone's forgotten about him.[/QUOTE]

That's kinda my point, though -- I kinda feel like the people in charge [I]have[/I] forgotten about him (well, in fairness, not really forgotten, but more bumped down the priority list). Feel like we've taken our eye off the ball, and as the drumbeat continues to build for a confrontation with Iran, I can't help but be reminded of the fucker that got us all into this in the first place...

First things first.

I do get that the Pakistan thing complicates matters a lot, but we've already invaded a country for no good reason, what's one more for a good reason? Ok, just kidding about that... ;)

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well, we cant have it both ways. IMO, we should tell pakistan that there is a blood price on OBL that they will pay if they dont allow us free operation in the province. so hand over 3600 citizens to take OBL's place or get the fuck out of the way,

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problem with threatening pakistan is that they've got nukes...

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Osama who?

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[QUOTE=thesightless;457131]we should tell pakistan that there is a blood price on OBL that they will pay if they dont allow us free operation in the province.[/QUOTE] but pakistan doesn't even have free operation in that region...

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[QUOTE=Lorn;457182]Osama who?[/QUOTE]

Osama bin Forgotten

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[QUOTE=toasty;457130]That's kinda my point, though -- I kinda feel like the people in charge [I]have[/I] forgotten about him (well, in fairness, not really forgotten, but more bumped down the priority list). Feel like we've taken our eye off the ball, and as the drumbeat continues to build for a confrontation with Iran, I can't help but be reminded of the fucker that got us all into this in the first place...

First things first.

I do get that the Pakistan thing complicates matters a lot, but we've already invaded a country for no good reason, what's one more for a good reason? Ok, just kidding about that... ;)[/QUOTE]

I do see your point and it seems like the focus is on Iraq where it shouldn't have been in the first place. However, I'm sure the administration still wants to get Osama. Cheney's recent trip to Pakistan makes me think so. And Pakistan has real WMDs.

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anyone here work for ABC?

this just in: [URL]http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/cia_rushing_res.html[/URL]

[QUOTE] Armed with fresh intelligence, the CIA is moving additional man power and equipment into Pakistan in the effort to find Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al Zawahri, U.S. officials tell ABC News. [/QUOTE]

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[quote=toasty;457130]That's kinda my point, though -- I kinda feel like the people in charge [I]have[/I] forgotten about him (well, in fairness, not really forgotten, but more bumped down the priority list). Feel like we've taken our eye off the ball, and as the drumbeat continues to build for a confrontation with Iran, I can't help but be reminded of the fucker that got us all into this in the first place...

First things first.

I do get that the Pakistan thing complicates matters a lot, but we've already invaded a country for no good reason, what's one more for a good reason? Ok, just kidding about that... ;)[/quote]

You have answered your own question....

Bin Laden is in Pakistan. Pakistan won't allow USA ground forces into their borders to search for him. They are telling us they will handle it. We don't have a choice in the matter, short of invading Pakistan... a nuclear power, as stated earlier.

Why is this such a difficult concept for liberals to grasp? They bemoan the war in Iraq, saying we invaded a sovereign nation... but then they want us to do that exact same thing in Pakistan.... (and in Sudan, for that matter) Hypocritical, isn't it? :roll:

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Besides.... getting Bin Laden isn't going to change anything. Terrorism will continue. If anything, his capture or death will only bring about more violence. Our efforts are better spent focusing on state sponsors of terrorism.... like Iran. We should have been invading Iran before Iraq.

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[quote=subterFUSE;457291]You have answered your own question....

Bin Laden is in Pakistan. Pakistan won't allow USA ground forces into their borders to search for him. They are telling us they will handle it. We don't have a choice in the matter, short of invading Pakistan... a[/quote]

The Pakistani :hollow:government:hollow: doesn't exactly have control over Pakistan either, which is another problem.

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[quote=Jenks;457437][quote=subterFUSE;457291]

The Pakistani :hollow:government:hollow: doesn't exactly have control over Pakistan either, which is another problem.[/quote]

Exactly. Musharaaf doesn't have control of his country. He has to tread the thin line between helping the USA, and not appearing to be bending over to the USA at the same time. Many of his people hate the USA and support Bin Laden. This is no secret, either. And it is also no secret that there are people in the Pakistani authority who are actively helping Bin Laden. For example, when Clinton launched cruise missiles into Afghanistan.... they made the mistake of telling Pakistan about it. Someone in Pakistan tipped off al Qaeda, and Bin Laden narrowly escaped. Musharaaf also has to deal with assassination attempts on his life. Pakistan is a mess..... So there isn't much hope that we're ever going to get Bin Laden. He will remain missing.... until eventually he will probably die, but we'll never know for sure.

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this is why me and ben should be supreme rulers of the planet earth.

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I believe we would have caught him if we stayed the course in Afganistan and not gotten side tracked in Iraq. What a collosal fuck up going into Iraq was.

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[quote=Kobe;457588]I believe we would have caught him if we stayed the course in Afganistan and not gotten side tracked in Iraq. What a collosal fuck up going into Iraq was.[/quote]

You are wrong. Bin Laden has not been in Afghanistan for years.... so spending more time/resources in Afghanistan would not have made an ounce of difference.

The major fuck ups have always been that we keep involving Pakistan. This dates back long before Bush ever took office. But, when we had Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora.... he got away because we backed off and let the Afghan and Pakistani forces try to get him. This was a mistake, because we know that there are Bin Laden supporters in the Pakistani authority who deliberately allowed him to escape.

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[quote=thesightless;457576]this is why me and ben should be supreme rulers of the planet earth.[/quote]

I just say "kill 'em all." 8)

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for all we know, he could be be on some floridian golf course searching for the masterminds of 9/11.

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In that case he'd have better luck looking in Washington ;)

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[QUOTE=thesightless;457576]this is why me and ben should be supreme rulers of the planet earth.[/QUOTE] :Bingo:

as long as you're vice pres...don't worry you could run all the clandestine operations from that office...I know you'd like that, unfortunately there may not be much left of the middle east ;)

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[quote=88Mariner;457863]for all we know, he could be be on some floridian golf course searching for the masterminds of 9/11.[/quote]

Not likely..... I live in Florida, and I am a 6 handicap. If Osama were here playing golf, there's a rather high liklihood I would have been paired up to play with him by now. 8)

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he could be your caddy though. Lord, that would make a helluva caddyshack 3. Carl The Groundskeeper could find him i bet!

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[quote=toasty;457086]As of today, it has been 2001 days since we were attacked by Osama bin Laden. Where the hell is he? Why hasn't he been brought to justice? What happened to "Wanted: Dead or Alive?" It's not like we suck at hide and seek -- we found Saddam Hussein in a fucking hole in the ground in the desert, FFS. Bin Laden's on dialysis, that's gotta leave a trail of some sort.

The reason we haven't found him? We just aren't looking that hard. I can't imagine what else it could be.[/quote]

Simply coz you ( USA) are not good enough.

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[quote=subterFUSE;457293]Besides.... getting Bin Laden isn't going to change anything. Terrorism will continue. If anything, his capture or death will only bring about more violence. Our efforts are better spent focusing on state sponsors of terrorism.... like Iran. We should have been invading Iran before Iraq.[/quote]

You can not afford to Invad Iran my freind.

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[quote=Dzone;458463]Simply coz you ( USA) are not good enough.[/quote]

It's not about being good enough. It about being allowed to go where Bin Laden is hiding. It's kinda hard to get someone if you can't go where they are. If Pakistan would just allow our ground forces to go in, we could have Bin Laden in short time. Sure, he has some strong fighters with him, but there's no chance they could withstand a full-on USA military force.

We have been doing everything so half-assed... trying to allow the Afghan and Pakistani forces do most of the work. We should just do it ourselves, and get it over with.