[ms] · Est. May 2002
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bush- "domestically, we are pretty good to be honest, not much to complain about outside SS running out. (pause while he re-memorizes the page) internationally we are fucked, but i dont care, sorry, god tells me to bring democracy tot he worlds cesspool between europe and asia. thanks, bye"
(boos and cheers) cut to pelosi and clinton so they can be cunts on TV, again.
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i find it amusing that the democrats already have a public response to the state of the union speech, and they've not even heard it yet.
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bush is an idiot, but the democrats are actually worse. i really cant see anything positive coming from them in the next 10 years. they ignore every bad thing to tell us how great things are. jackasses the lot of them.
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[QUOTE=Jenks;439707]i find it amusing that the democrats already have a public response to the state of the union speech, and they've not even heard it yet.[/QUOTE]
With that being the landscape, there's not much reason to wait for him to actually say it...
Who plans to watch it? I'd like to say I will because I try to keep up on such things, but (1) I know what he's going to say, (2) I don't believe a word out of his mouth anymore, and (3) it bums me out to watch the guy -- being reminded that this clown is actually our president is tough to take.
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[I]stop whining hippie. god, you really became a whiney cunt.[/I]
[I]i cant watch. suns/wizards at 7 on NBA TV.[/I]
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Not i. i know the state of the union, i live in it.
Besides, got an original NES for christmas, and i'm geeked to play super mario brothers again, which is leaps and bounds more important than listening to the president.
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[QUOTE=thesightless;439736][I]stop whining hippie. god, you really became a whiney cunt.[/I] [/QUOTE]
Not whining, just stating a fact. Our president is a moron. That doesn't inspire me to take time out of my day to watch him.
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cant argue there, jenks is indeed a douche.
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Haven't watched one of these for the past few years.
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i watched the one after 911. thats it.
hey i fully admit i like what the admin is doing in certain areas, but i cant fathom targeting iraq until the afghan mission is done. his attitude disturbs me the most on that. he could actually save face and hurt the dems if he just said to the world " our government is no longer held by a republican majority, so we are pulling out. too bad, the democrats dont care about you, you are on your own, enjoy the mehndi milita taking control sorry." then pull out of there, leave no one, not even advisors, and say "not my fault", sure its the stupid thing to do, but its what this country wants, and a decent speechwriters could flip it back on the dems, dragging them into the same light he is reagrding the sand people.
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Bush and Hillary are one and the same. Except that Hillary is more ruthless.
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I can't believe why did they applauded him every sentence that was a joke I thought the dems where an opposition.
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That's the custom, which is exactly why I always skip the live broadcast and read the transcript.
The State of the Union is really nothing more than a pep rally, its been that way for years. Don't expect any ground breaking announcements by the President or serious political statements by the opposition. This address has more traditional value than anything and it would be in very, very bad taste for the (in this case) Democrats to pull some PR stunt to show their dissastisfaction - especially since they just regained some control/popular public opinion. Usually they wait until [I]after [/I]the event [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/23/sotu.webb.transcript/index.html"]to do that[/URL].
Basically the President's job at this speech is to stand up there and comment on three things :
Then finish with a big, "America - Fuck Yeah! God Bless, I'm out." Then all the politicos get whipped up in a froth, throw some streamers and paint on their cars and then tear down the goalposts.
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Anybody watch?
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[QUOTE=Lorn;440252]Anybody watch?[/QUOTE]
I ended up watching most of it. Yawn. The most interesting part was watching Cheney and Pelosi in the background to see what would draw their applause and what would not. Indeed, the crowd was a lot more entertaining to watch than the speech itself. My personal favorite moments (from CNN's broadcast):
-One Democratic Senator (whom I did not recognize) who was slumped in his chair and looked as bored as a 7 year old trying to sit through a church service. Somebody needed to give that guy a Gameboy or something. -Pelosi trying to be the first person to spring up to applaud at certain moments -- she was very aware that she was in every shot and that her reaction to what Bush said would be noticed. -An unfortunately ironic moment for McCain, who appeared to be winking at someone when Bush was discussing earmarks and lobbyist kickbacks. I say ironic because I gather he has a nervous condition that causes that sort of thing and he probably wasn't actually winking at anyone, but it couldn't have come at a worse time. -A similarly unfortunately ironic moment for Obama, who appeared to be staring at the floor during a portion of the speech on Iraq. Note to democratic presidential hopefuls: try to look engaged when discussing national security. -The bizarre, shit-eating grin Cheney had on his face while Bush was discussing energy policy. He looked like the cat that ate the canary. Again, it probably didn't have anything to do with anything, but the timing was ironic.
As for the content of the speech, no surprises. Rah, rah, sis boom bah. Same ol', same ol'...
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Freedom, Liberty, Security, Democracy and Republic. Five words to look for in any SOTU speech. From last night, here's your count. [B]Freedom:[/B] Three references, and in one of these references the president was actually quoting someone else. In the other two references he spoke of the terrorist fear of human freedom, and of speaking out for freedom in places like Cuba, Belarus and Burma. Not one reference to the role of freedom in our own society.
[B]Security:[/B] Eight mentions. Typical. Two real mentions of freedom, eight of security. This is the way it has been for decades. People like to hear the word security spoken much more than they like to hear about freedom. It's as if they're saying "Take care of me! Control me if you need to ... but at least take care of me!" In one passage bush mentions the establishment of a "democratic Palestinian state living side-by-side with Israel in peace and security." There was a time when that phrase would be "peace and freedom." No longer.
[B]Democracy:[/B] Four references to democracy. In one passage he referred to the United States as "a great democracy." Our founding fathers warned us against the establishment of a democracy. They were very clear in their fear of democracy. Historians of that era loudly warned against the creation of a democracy after the Revolutionary War ... but here we are in 2007 listening to the President of the United States referring to us as "a great democracy." I know that, thanks to government education, not one one hundred people in this country have a clue why our founding fathers abhorred the idea of democracy ... and that is no accident.
[B]Republic:[/B] Now this is the type of government our founding fathers established. Not one mention. No surprise there.
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[quote=toasty;440298] -The bizarre, shit-eating grin Cheney had on his face while Bush was discussing energy policy. He looked like the cat that ate the canary. Again, it probably didn't have anything to do with anything, but the timing was ironic.
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Maybe he was champing at the bit.
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i heard mccain actually fell asleep. he does have a sleeping disorder, btw....
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I heard Sasha was in the crowd and someone threw a drink at him, missed him by a hair. I think it was a Republican.
I enjoyed the end when he introduced the outstanding Americans from the entrepreneurial business woman, the heroic soldier and the life saver from New York. I could only imagine how he felt, must have been like “damn look at all the white folk”.
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I watched only about 15 minutes of Bush's speech before I changed the channel due to boredom. I felt as already mentioned in this thread that we already knew what he was going to say and didn't see the need to listen to Bush.
My highlights were Bush and Pelosi acting like they are best friends. It's funny the show that politicians put on when in front of a large audience. And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't heard the usual "The state of our union is strong" or something like that. Tired of hearing that phrase.
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[QUOTE=superdave;440370]And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't heard the usual "The state of our union is strong" or something like that. Tired of hearing that phrase.[/QUOTE]
He did use it, but he put it at the end instead of the beginning like he has every year since 2002. Way to mix it up. :roll:
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I missed it. Did he declare war on Iran yet?
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Listening to NPR during lunch and apparently some of the Dems are pissed because Bush referred to them as the "Democrat" Party and not the "Democra[I]tic" [/I]Party. It seems this has been an issue in the past and they felt he was taking a subtle jab at them.
Suddenly the guy with the public speaking skills of a 3rd grader is subtle?
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[QUOTE=BSully828;440405]Listening to NPR during lunch and apparently some of the Dems are pissed because Bush referred to them as the "Democrat" Party and not the "Democra[I]tic" [/I]Party. It seems this has been an issue in the past and they felt he was taking a subtle jab at them.
Suddenly the guy with the public speaking skills of a 3rd grader is subtle?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's pretty silly. Asking Bush to go beyond 3 syllables is asking a lot, IMO. ;)
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[quote=apollo_1444;440123]I can't believe why did they applauded him every sentence that was a joke I thought the dems where an opposition.[/quote]
Like Sully said.... The State of the Union Address follows a strict, ritual-like procedure. It is always the same. The applause are just part of the ritual.
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[quote=toasty;440415]Yeah, that's pretty silly. Asking Bush to go beyond 3 syllables is asking a lot, IMO. ;)[/quote]
:lol:
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did everyone hear the most important line in the speech
"A contagion of violence could spill out across the country — and, in time, the entire region could be drawn into the conflict."
I mean really who would care if the entire region went to battle.. I wouldn't.. but oh ya Oil.. I say let the Muslims kill each other.. so we the people can sit back and see how brutal they are, what what they teach and what they stand for.. I am sick of people thinking that the Saudis are our friends. That is a direct lie.. They fucking hate everything you stand for.. they are our ally only because of oil.. But when it comes to ideals they are completely somewhere else. An ally is someone who believes in what you are doing. I say send in the whole military once and for all from every free country and clean house.. Take their money and there oil.
so it means now we are in this war because we are protecting the Al' Saud family in Saudi Arabia.. It always comes back to Saudi Arabia.. the ones we are protecting are the ones who hate us the most..
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Maybe true. But I will fully admit we WANT OUR OIL.
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[quote=Lorn;440699]Maybe true. But I will fully admit we WANT OUR OIL.[/quote]
EXACTLY.
Most people who criticize our involvement in the Middle East as being all about oil.... I think they simply don't get just HOW important oil is to our existence.
Get this.... without oil.... life as you know it ceases to exist. PERIOD. Millions of Americans and Europeans would die. Economies would tumble. People would freeze to death across the globe. Violence would break out everywhere, as people make a mad scramble for basic necessities like food. It would be complete anarchy, beyond comprehension.
Our governments understand this.... all of them. USA, China, Europe... they all know the importance. Oil is like the blood of a nation. Without it, you can't survive in the modern world.
You think that countries like France cared about the Iraqi people when they opposed the war? You're nuts if you do.... All they cared about was losing their oil deals with Saddam.
Do you know why nothing is getting done about Darfur? Oil. China doesn't want anything to disrupt their oil supply coming from that area. So every time the UN tries to pass a resolution about Darfur, China is killing it. (one of the powers of the perm 5 members)
I really do hope we can find a way to get off the stuff..... but until we do, we better have a good way to have access to it..... or the world is SERIOUSLY fucked. :shock:
Not trying to justify it, really.... Just pointing out that I think most people who criticize our quest for oil somehow think it's as simple as just saying.... Hey, let's use something else.
Of course, we have reserves in case some catastrophy strikes.... but just try to imagine if something happened where it was all gone suddenly. Yikes.
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As much as I understand how important oil is to our society I don't believe for an instant the powers that be have our best interests at heart. If they did, all the political bullshit over other viable forms of energy (ie. nuclear) would vanish and an all out campaign to build an infrastructure would commence. Look how quickly the internet and the cell phone infrastructure was built without government involvement.
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Oil is the reason we are still in Iraq.
If there was no oil we could leave the Shias and the Sunnis to all out civil war. The Saudis would back the Sunnis and Iran the Shias. In some ways it would take the heat off us, instead of Muslim V West it would be muslim on muslim.
Sadly it's not going to happen, the whole region would collaspe, no oil exports and Israel would be stuck in the middle. I'd guess if it came to it Israel would have to launch some nukes.
War in Iraq is bad but what is the alternantive?
It is however good to see Bush starting to ge the USA on the right track in reducing oil imports. I would have been much happier to see some major tax breaks and a huge focus on alternavtive power sources.
It still amazes me how the neo cons trained a shaved monkey to talk.
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[quote=Morgan;441580]It still amazes me how the neo cons trained a shaved monkey to talk.[/quote]
Equally impressive is that the ultra libs [I]still [/I]willingly use an ass as both their party symbol and their spokesperson/people. They sure are suckers for irony.
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[quote=Lorn;441568]As much as I understand how important oil is to our society I don't believe for an instant the powers that be have our best interests at heart. If they did, all the political bullshit over other viable forms of energy (ie. nuclear) would vanish and an all out campaign to build an infrastructure would commence. Look how quickly the internet and the cell phone infrastructure was built without government involvement.[/quote]
It's not so much about our best interests.... as it is preserving our way of life. Or you could call it preserving the status quo.
We need oil to continue our day-2-day lives. We are dependent upon it in nearly every action we do every day.
Nuclear power is great for running a power plant. But that's only one area of concern. Nuclear power won't run your car. Hydrogen cars are still a pipe dream. Only a few prototypes have been built, and they can hardly drive 100 miles on a tank of liquid hydrogen. And let's not forget that liquid hydrogen is extremely dangerous. If exposed to oxygen, it explodes instantly. (Remember the Space Shuttle Challenger?)
Can you honestly imagine a bunch of redneck hicks driving around in pickups run on liquid hydrogen? Scary thought.... to say the least. One bad fender-bender, and boom.
In the USA, car accidents are the leading killer of people under the age of 40. And that's just with cars run on gasoline. What would these numbers be if the cars were carrying liquid hydrogen? Scary thought, isn't it?
You can't even fuel a hydrogen car unless you have a completely robotic filling station. It's just too dangerous otherwise.
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[quote=Morgan;441580]Oil is the reason we are still in Iraq.
If there was no oil we could leave the Shias and the Sunnis to all out civil war. The Saudis would back the Sunnis and Iran the Shias. In some ways it would take the heat off us, instead of Muslim V West it would be muslim on muslim.
Sadly it's not going to happen, the whole region would collaspe, no oil exports and Israel would be stuck in the middle. I'd guess if it came to it Israel would have to launch some nukes.
War in Iraq is bad but what is the alternantive?
It is however good to see Bush starting to ge the USA on the right track in reducing oil imports. I would have been much happier to see some major tax breaks and a huge focus on alternavtive power sources.
It still amazes me how the neo cons trained a shaved monkey to talk.[/quote]
Yes.... when you get down to it.... it is all about oil.
Iran wants to take over Iraq, because if they did.... they would control the largest oil supply on earth. Once under their control, they could set prices aywhere they want.... and sell to anyone they want. China will pay damned near anything to get more oil. The only thing that has been keeping China from making ever more progress is that they can't get enough oil to supply their industrialization.
So Iran would control all this oil.... and they could deny the USA access to it.... and sell it to China. The US economy would take a huge hit, as gas prices skyrocket. Iran would get a huge boost in their powers dealing with the rest of the world. It would all but guarantee they get their nuclear weapon, which would mean the destruction of Israel.
But, of course, Israel won't allow Iran to go nuclear.... even if the rest of the world just stands by and does nothing. So before Iran actually finishes their nuke, Israel would attack them using conventional airstrikes on their weapons production sites. This will stir up a shitstorm of anti-Israel sentiment across the entire Middle East, and the USA will get dragged into it because we must help defend Israel.
So.... yes..... it's about oil. But oil leads to a lot of other stuff which we would like to prevent.
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Nuclear power is great for running a power plant. But that's only one area of concern. Nuclear power won't run your car. Hydrogen cars are still a pipe dream. Only a few prototypes have been built, and they can hardly drive 100 miles on a tank of liquid hydrogen. And let's not forget that liquid hydrogen is extremely dangerous. If exposed to oxygen, it explodes instantly. (Remember the Space Shuttle Challenger?)
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It would be simple to build a nuclear powered train system across this country. Would probably take 20 years but thats a solution.
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[quote=Lorn;441660]It would be simple to build a nuclear powered train system across this country. Would probably take 20 years but thats a solution.[/quote]
the government will prevent this from happening. Not only because of extreme environmental lobby groups (that have already prevented us from being soverign in the oil business...not to mention building up other nuclear power plants), but you also have strong auto lobbyists too.
Imagine how pissed off the Japanese would be if we had a high-speed mag-lev rail system webbing this country? Probably wouldn't be too happy. Neither would Detroit and American automakers.
While lobbying can't technically force the government to do anything, it is those empowered in the government who bow down to these interests.
The truth of the matter is, it is our own government fvcking us over. time, and time again.