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Videos for Discussion of Political Islam

11 durable postsStarted 2007-01-16Latest 2007-01-17
#37131Post 1 of 11

This investigation into Britain's mosques, by Channel 4's respected Dispatches programme,has revealed worrying evidence of just how rife Islamic extremism is among Muslim preachers. The undercover TV inquiry, conducted over ten months, reveals some religious clerics urging their congregations to start preparing for jihad (holy war) against infidels or non-Muslims. Another is caught on camera telling families to hit their daughters for not covering their heads with the veil or hijab.

One imam from a Derby mosque, called Dr Ijaz Mian, was filmed calling for the creation of an Islamic 'state within a state' in Britain before the country is taken over by Muslims.

Addressing a group of youths, he said: 'King. Queen. House of Commons ... if you accept it, you are part of it. If you don't accept it, you have to dismantle it. So you being a Muslim, you have to fix a target. There will be no House of Commons ... Muslims just grow in strength ... then take over.'

The programme paints an alarming picture of how preachers, even at what are regarded as the most moderate mosques, urge their followers to reject Britain's legal system in favour of shariah law and its radical rulebook.

The investigators spent four months filming undercover at one mosque, Green Lane in Birmingham, which caters for thousands of worshippers.

The main preacher is Abu Usamah, an American convert to Islam, who studied at Medinah University in Saudi Arabia, before coming to Britain. He is seen telling worshippers not to believe that Islamic terrorists are operating in Britain, as all non-Muslims are liars.

In another sequence, he is heard saying that Christians and Jews are 'kuffaars' (non-believers) and the enemies of Islam. 'No one loves the kuffaar, not a single person loves the kuffaar,' he rants. 'We hate the kuffaar!' Then he adds, triumphantly: 'Allah has not given those people who are kuffaar a way over the believer. They shouldn't be in authority over us. Muslims shouldn't be satisfied with anything other than a total Islamic state.

'I encourage all of you to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fast approaching - where the tables are going to turn and the Muslims are going to be in the position of being uppermost in strength. And when that happens, people won't get killed - unjustly,' he promises.

As for women, he says they are 'deficient, even if they have a PhD. Her intellect is incomplete. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of a man.'

He goes on to say that gays deserve to die. 'If I were to call homosexuals perverted, dirty, filthy dogs who should be murdered ... that's my freedom of speech, isn't it?'

The TV investigators also bought damning videos and DVDs of speeches by Muslim preachers from a shop at the London Central Mosque in Regent's Park.

The mosque has always been hailed by the Muslim Council of Britain and the Government as a symbol of reason and mainstream Islamic life in this country.

But the programme's team found copies of films of preachers decrying the equality of women as a 'bunch of foolishness' and claiming that Christian missionaries put the Aids virus into medicines in order to poison the people of Africa.

The TV exposé, like the Mail's own investigation in Surrey, shows that the systematic brainwashing of Muslims by their religious leaders is now commonplace. And it appears to be producing results.

Twenty-eight per cent said they believed Britain should be an Islamic state. In another worrying sign, one in three young Muslims said that the London bombings were justified because Britain had joined America in the 'war on terror'.

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Me? I think this is a scary, but expected, updated.

#790133Post 2 of 11

Re: Videos for Discussion of Political Islam

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(obviously i can't figure out how to do post videos, so any help or direction would be helpful)

#790134Post 3 of 11

Re: Videos for Discussion of Political Islam

I could start my ranting again, but there have been already enough islam bashing threads in Politics.

Just one difference you should make: islam and fundamentalism aren't the same ball game. One is a religion with its positive things and its flaws just like any other religion. The other is a tool used to obtain power.

Really, those fundi fags are in it for the money and the power. What communism was before the Berlin wall fell, is fundamentalism now.

Only more dangerous.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoi5DWt3b0w[/YOUTUBE]

#790139Post 4 of 11

Re: Videos for Discussion of Political Islam

a lot of what those videos entail is considered moderate islam in britain.

#790153Post 5 of 11

Re: Videos for Discussion of Political Islam

Then it's a problem of the popular opinion. If you consider this "moderate" then you don't know at your front end who's poking your back end.

The country with to most CCTV's per square meter in the world and only in 2007 they wake up... No, not bashing at all, but if that is the image the brits have of islam, something's seriously wrong...

Belgium has been instutionalising islam for years. Still a long way to go, but it's the only way you're going to stop radicalisation: by treating it equal to our religions and dialogue instead of polarize. It's not like the policies of the past years have led to anything positve, right?

#790165Post 6 of 11

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what they are practicing is what is in the Book. I would argue that everyone else is practicing a diluted form of Islam. But the degree of that dilution is unknown.

policies are ineffective against those who do not see those policies as legitimate. it doesn't stop criminals.

Have you even watched the videos yet?

#790188Post 7 of 11

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I have my friend.

So, how many muslims do you know personally? Have you read about the Qur'an?

Seriously, you know what was marked on the belts of Hitler's Waffen SS? "Got mit uns" Some shit, different era.

I'm just as much against those douchebags as you , but you shouldn't generalize it to an entire world religion. That shit isn't productive, just look around you...

#790201Post 8 of 11

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...and besides. For a religion to have billions be part of it says something. They all can't be idiots.

#790218Post 9 of 11

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[quote=Lorn;435584]...and besides. For a religion to have billions be part of it says something. They all can't be idiots.[/quote]

Sure they can. :lol:

#790222Post 10 of 11

Re: Videos for Discussion of Political Islam

:CrackUp:

#790558Post 11 of 11

Re: Videos for Discussion of Political Islam

yeah, BBC always has these reports up about the clerics there. they even jailed a few, but could not deport them for reasons unknown to me.

fuck it.

be cool or be somehwere else.

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