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Hillary Can Win, but Mustn't

34 durable postsStarted 2006-12-06Latest 2006-12-13
#35786Post 1 of 34

Article about Hillary running for President.

Written by Dick Morris... who was Bill Clinton's "Karl Rove".

[QUOTE][SIZE=2] HILLARY CAN WIN BUT MUSTN?T By DICK MORRIS December 6, 2006 -- Now that Hillary has dropped the coy pretense of indecision that she used to justify her reelection to a Senate seat she no longer wants and has told friends that she plans to run for president, two questions present themselves: Can she win? And what kind of a president would she be? She definitely can win ? and probably will. She is uniquely able to expand the electorate to bring in millions of women, mostly single, who will vote overwhelmingly for a female Democrat. The feminization of poverty, long decried by the left, will finally lead unmarried women to show up at the polling place and vote their short-term economic interest and vindicate their gender bias. In 2000, only 19 million single women voted. By 2004, their turnout rose to 27 million. With Hillary in the race, the single-female vote will probably go up to its proper ratio of the adult population ? 33 million votes. Can white men outvote single women? Despite the intensity with which white men tend to oppose Hillary, they can?t vote twice. The enthusiasm that will grip many Americans ? women in particular ? at the cultural implications of a woman president will probably sweep through the primaries and cause many to overlook Hillary?s flaws and dismiss her defects. The generic of a woman candidate will prove so attractive that millions of voters will overcome their objections to the specific person who is running. Her mastery of the establishment of the Democratic Party, her vast lead among ex-officio delegates ? many of whom have received campaign contributions from her coffers ? and the celebrity draw of her ex-president husband will prove hard for a mere mortal to overcome. But should she win? No way! Those who know both Hillary and Bill well and are willing to speak frankly in public realize the fundamental differences between the two and grasp how his abilities are the counterpoints to her defects. He is intensely creative, constantly turning issues over in his mind seeking new solutions. She rarely has a new idea but specializes in advocacy ? the rote recitation of talking points. He has an instinctual feel for people and an uncanny ability to read a room and know what everyone in it is thinking. She is obtuse in her understanding of people and ham-handed in her approach. He cares deeply about being loved. She seeks popularity as a means to the goal of getting elected but otherwise marches to the beat of her inner, liberal drummer. He distrusts ideology, and his innate perfectionism finds all belief systems flawed. She swallows the ideological line of the guru du jour hook, line and sinker. During the healthcare years, it was Ira Magaziner who pushed her buttons. When she decided to back the Iraq War, it was the generals who paraded before her committee. She is vulnerable to a cultish adoration of the guys with all the answers. He lets the give and take of politics wash off his back. A critic is a potential convert whom he hopes to charm over to his side. She has a rigidly dichotomized view of friends and enemies, demanding total loyalty and public silence from the former and maintaining a ruthless determination to destroy the latter. She is a Democratic Nixon to those whom she perceives as her enemies. He is a moderate by instinct, seeking incremental change. She devotedly and deeply believes in a European-style socialism in which government takes much more of our national income and offers a far wider array of services and benefits. He?ll raise taxes when he has to. She?ll increase them just to redistribute income. He?s most like Eisenhower, Kennedy and Bush Sr. ? feeling his way, acting with caution, and skeptical of all advice. She is more like LBJ, Nixon or Bush Jr. ? determined to charge ahead and do what she thinks needs to be done, the torpedoes be damned. And finally, he knows who he is and, except for his private shortcomings, is not ashamed to let it show. She constantly seeks to reinvent herself and rigidly maintains an almost totally inaccurate image in public of what she is really like in private. He has little discipline. Hers is iron. His caution is innate. Hers is a learned response to what happens when people see who she really is. He made a very good domestic-policy president. She would be a disaster at home and abroad. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]

#765754Post 2 of 34

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she mustn't .... open her mouth?

she would probably fare better if she let the party outside of dicklick kerry speak for her. kerry just wins elections for the republicans.

there are about 15 ppl in that party i want b4 her. shame they would never get the ink.

#765757Post 3 of 34

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We don't know much about Obama yet.... but I would take him over Hillary in a heartbeat.

I disagree with some of his positions, but I don't question his sincerity or honor.... which says a lot.

#765762Post 4 of 34

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Oh please, guys, you've gotta vote Hilary - you have no other option, and besides, it would be fun to spend 4 or 8 years guessing who she is blowing in there!!!!

#765765Post 5 of 34

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[QUOTE=subterFUSE;417579]We don't know much about Obama yet.... but I would take him over Hillary in a heartbeat.

I disagree with some of his positions, but I don't question his sincerity or honor.... which says a lot.[/QUOTE]

The thing about Obama that I like is that when he speaks, he makes you feel good about being an American. Bill Clinton was a likable enough guy, but we haven't had a president since Reagan that really stirred up good feelings like Obama can.

As for his policies, I honestly can't tell you that I know a heck of a lot about them at this point, but I'm definitely eager to listen to what he has to say. Especially after 8 years of Bush, I'd love to have a Pres I could be proud of again. There's more to it than that, of course, but I do think its a valid consideration.

#765767Post 6 of 34

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[quote=davetlv;417584]Oh please, guys, you've gotta vote Hilary - you have no other option, and besides, it would be fun to spend 4 or 8 years guessing who she is blowing in there!!!![/quote] [IMG]http://www.janettebeckman.com/images/celebrity/assets/full/rosieodonnel.jpg[/IMG]

and to toasty. for starters, i like to think of obama as a right leaning dem, pretty centered to be honest. his BIGGER platforms lead him to the democrats, but he is actually pretty religious, anti gay marriage addmittedly(but wont vote it down), has never advocated handnouts....

check out votesmart, they have tons on him.

#766765Post 7 of 34

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[QUOTE][SIZE=2]She is more like LBJ, Nixon or Bush Jr. ? determined to charge ahead and do what she thinks needs to be done, the torpedoes be damned.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

All we need is another stubborn-minded president who doesn't care what the general public thinks. Might as well just piss away another 4-8yrs if she's elected after coping with GWB.

#766810Post 8 of 34

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so things like this probably don't make you guys too happy...

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/20/poll.08/[/URL]

#766815Post 9 of 34

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she is just weak, yet power hungry and loud to make up for it. think about it, who the fuck would stay with a man whom, on at least 5 verifiable times, has cheated on her......she has no views other than ""not thiers"", if the US population advocated the killing of muslims within our borders, to the point of say 80%, she woudl do it. she just follows the louder opinions, and lacks any real substance. like i said, stop listening to her, go learn what she does.

#766826Post 10 of 34

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I'll second what sightless says here...she's a damn bandwagon jumper and every issue of her's is based on polling...no substance whatsoever. Pathetic! How bout the dems put up a candidate that actually has a fu*kin backbone for once! What a crazy idea! :roll:

And as for that poll, it just shows the stupidity of the 4% who shifted their vote from Hillary to McCain based on whether or not she used her middle name. If you can't figure out Hillary Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton are the same person you deserve a swift kick in the ass and should automatically lose all rights to vote! :DumbAss: :AssKicki:

#766831Post 11 of 34

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not to mention she is a criminal. lest we forget whitewater.

#766832Post 12 of 34

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he did commit a number of other frauds though...

#766877Post 13 of 34

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in the end, i still cant fathom how and why ppl would elect her? it is nothing short of unbeleivable. think about it. i mean, its an utter disgrace that the NY dem's allowed her to run here BEFORE SHE LIVED HERE. i know any dem can win the senate seats in NY, too many minorites and city ppl to vote republican, but her? WHY????

she doesnt bring anything but a loud mouth and a dried up vaginal cavity.......

#766882Post 14 of 34

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with the other NY senator being Shumer, who does do a damn good job of representing NY interests (granted with an even louder mouth), NY dems kinda had a freebie on the second senator...or at least that's what I thought. Shumer manages the local affairs and giving Hillary the second NY spot gives here a bit of a platform on which to run for president. Not saying it's right, just suggesting that's what the strategy was.

#766966Post 15 of 34

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[quote=thesightless;418728]not to mention she is a criminal. lest we forget whitewater.[/quote]

I'll take that a step further....

Remember how the guy who was going to testify against the Clintons in Whitewater mysteriously "committed suicide?"

Kinda makes you go.... hmmmmmm???

#766979Post 16 of 34

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[quote=subterFUSE;418876]I'll take that a step further....

Remember how the guy who was going to testify against the Clintons in Whitewater mysteriously "committed suicide?"

Kinda makes you go.... hmmmmmm???[/quote]

wow a conspiracy aimed at the democrats and not republicans. go on.....

#767381Post 17 of 34

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how about let's stop electing people to be president because they were related to a president. just because you're married to or the son of a president doesn't qualify you to be one.

we see where that got us with W. We almost deserve the shit we get when we elect incompetent people into power. that goes for Congress too. let's vote in people who lookout for America and its people first and not their corporate masters.

#767441Post 18 of 34

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[quote=superdave;419319]how about let's stop electing people to be president because they were related to a president. just because you're married to or the son of a president doesn't qualify you to be one.

we see where that got us with W. We almost deserve the shit we get when we elect incompetent people into power. that goes for Congress too. let's vote in people who lookout for America and its people first and not their corporate masters.[/quote]

Unfortunately, thanks to the media and our country's degeneration of standards, we will no longer see intelligent, qualified candidates for president.

Being the President today means your life changes forever. You lose all privacy. You are attacked daily by the press, and opponents. They attack you, your family, even your dog. They dig up your past, and use it against you. You get death threats. You have 24/7 security and military escort. Even after you step down, you must have secret service with you forever. What type of person wants that life? The answer is only those who are either ultra-ambitious, power-hungry, or downright insane.

A smart person in America can find hundreds of careers which will earn him more money, yield a better lifestyle, avoid public criticism and retain privacy. So why would a smart person run for public office? There is no logical reason.

There are a few truly intelligent politicians in Washington.... but they are the exception, not the rule.

#767482Post 19 of 34

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[QUOTE=subterFUSE;419383]Unfortunately, thanks to the media and our country's degeneration of standards, we will no longer see intelligent, qualified candidates for president.

Being the President today means your life changes forever. You lose all privacy. You are attacked daily by the press, and opponents. They attack you, your family, even your dog. They dig up your past, and use it against you. You get death threats. You have 24/7 security and military escort. Even after you step down, you must have secret service with you forever. What type of person wants that life? The answer is only those who are either ultra-ambitious, power-hungry, or downright insane.

A smart person in America can find hundreds of careers which will earn him more money, yield a better lifestyle, avoid public criticism and retain privacy. So why would a smart person run for public office? There is no logical reason.

There are a few truly intelligent politicians in Washington.... but they are the exception, not the rule.[/QUOTE]

I agree with what you say, but at some point we need to demand leaders with intelligence and morals from the monopoly the two parties have in this country.

I think there are qualified people who could do good jobs in public service, but we've scared them away from what you mention above. Or they're too busy trying to get rich in business which is a shame. They could use that talent in public service.

#767483Post 20 of 34

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if hillary becomes president.. then all the chicks will think they own us ..

#767620Post 21 of 34

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[quote=dopla;419436]if hillary becomes president.. then all the chicks will think they own us ..[/quote]

Don't they think so already? :lol:

#771242Post 22 of 34

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what about John McCain as presidential candadite and Hillary as the Vice Prez.

#771244Post 23 of 34

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No

#771247Post 24 of 34

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to be honest i want mike bloomberg. the only ppl who can argue with his job are the teachers union and transportation unions. both groups who were corrupt and broken to begin with.

#771254Post 25 of 34

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no?

#771256Post 26 of 34

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they wont, she hates republicans, and he knows better than to hire that cunt.

#771349Post 27 of 34

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[quote=thesightless;420681]they wont, she hates republicans, and he knows better than to hire that cunt.[/quote]

If Hillary were vice-president, she would have the president assassinated. I would put money on it. :roll:

#771389Post 28 of 34

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Nope, bill would have him assasinated...he gotten good at it over the years ;)

#771483Post 29 of 34

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[quote=rubyraks;420824]Nope, bill would have him assasinated...he gotten good at it over the years ;)[/quote]

heheh...and I think he would like to be the first first man.

#771497Post 30 of 34

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[quote=Lorn;420932]heheh...and I think he would like to be the first first man.[/quote]

Yeah.... just think how much free pussy the First Husband gets. :lol: :lol:

Bill is like.... shit.... sign me up.

#771751Post 31 of 34

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[URL="http://www.thoseshirts.com/redefeat.html"][IMG]http://www.thoseshirts.com/images/square-med-redefeat.gif[/IMG][/URL]

#771986Post 32 of 34

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one word. Canada.

Liberals did it, I will do it.

#772045Post 33 of 34

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This is a fascinating topic. Personally I don't think the contry is ready for either and woman president or a minority president. I think the contry will tolerate a woman before we put a person of color as commander in chief; (yes I said put a person in power....remember the people lost there power to elect a president when Gore won the Popular vote!). Anyway, there will be another republican president unforunately and my guess would be McCain from AZ. Just an opinion.

#772054Post 34 of 34

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[quote=Leonard Scott;421547]remember the people lost there power to elect a president when Gore won the Popular vote![/quote]

The popular vote doesn't determine the election - that's what the electoral college is for.

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