[ms] · Est. May 2002
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Re: Can the concept of "democracy" survive in the Middle Eastern/Arab regions?
the real problems come when one muslim group meets a non muslim, pro-equality group, i.e. somalia and sudan where they werent even allowed to watch thier teams in the world cup b/c the ICU has implemented taliban style rule wherever they go. should i mention the recently discovered taliban guidebook? nah, just read it for yourself, its on every major news site.
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No one here is disputing the "evil" of the ruling parties in the region or their use of hatred as a political tool. What we're trying to distinguish are the views of this ruling class and those of the common people, which are quite different, contrary to the press' perception.
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ok, like i said, i wont believe until i see it. i can tell you GWB really is a pacifist who hates war, but actions speak louder than words, and silence is still the most deafening sound. you can tell me you are peaceful, but when you tell me it while throwing a punch, i cant beleive you. and if you are watching your friend throw a punch, and dont act, then you are nothing better.
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but the common people aren't the ones throwing the punches, it's the ruling classes and the extremists throwing em.
Tell me are the North Koreans all fuckin crazy merely because you don't hear any different views coming out of their country?
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no, NK hasnt been at war since we were involved. and while we disagree with kim jong, he has been, disregarding the test, peaceful, and his people back him. if the people in the middle truly dont back thier vocal minority counterpoints.... where is the voice? if GW starts another war, with say, iran, you can be damn sure that the overwhelming majority of ppl here would be up in arms and vocal.
i cant state it enough, if the ppl in the middle east are truly against the violent actions of their leadership/and/or/.militias from sudan to pakistan, then why havent we heard? inaction is just as bad as support. they sit and watch people die every day. and innocents pay the price. why havent gazans stood against hamas?> same for hezz? hezz brought nothing but utter destruction upon that region, and isreal was actually restrained, and yet, they get "victory parades"
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First to compare the ability of our population to voice their opinions vs. the ability of those in other countries is quite unfair. We are a democratic free country and that is one of the things that makes us so great, but these other countries have entirely different systems in place. When we speak out, we don't fear for our lives, when they do their lives are more often than not threatened (either by the rulers or the extremists...your pick). HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!
Second, maybe you should take a look into what hamas and hezbolleh had done for their people. While I entirely disagree with their politics, they have often provided better infrastructure and lives for the people they represent than their corrupt governments.
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again, it boils down to "do you want it>is it the priority? if so, fight for it, complacency doesnt garner sympathy."
and obviously, they arent fighting for it, just fighting. if there was an uprising against the hard line governments, the world would pay attention to the view.
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[quote=rubyraks;417952]but the common people aren't the ones throwing the punches, it's the ruling classes and the extremists throwing em.
Tell me are the North Koreans all fuckin crazy merely because you don't hear any different views coming out of their country?[/quote]
On 9/11, it was the muslim masses cheering in the streets at the loss of life in the USA.
No.... I am sorry, but the majority of muslims in this world hate Jews, and hate America for supporting the Jews. This is simple fact.
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^I always wonder why everyone overlooks that.
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hope? that maybe in the end, everyone here realizes no matter what you are, where you are, that we are all human and stuck on this planet together?
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thoughts on why it cant and will never work. from LA times. [URL]http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ibrahim5dec05,0,5108432.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail[/URL]
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^interesting read...
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sadly, it is the truth. what they take, its OK, but when infringed upon, its like the end of the world.
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Good article. I can't believe it came from the LA Times. :lol:
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just think that right now, arab militias are killing about 100 a day in africa alone, ripping up western pakistan, etc etc etc, and when someone draws a cartoon, or two criminals die from intruding into a power station...... well, we all saw what happened.
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better yet, take the example of the buddhist statues from afghanistan :roll:
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yes, the world lost a LOT of history due to the taleban. estimated value of those 4 statues where they filmed the original indy film was placed at 2 billion plus. dumb fucking fanatics.
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The middle East has been at war for CENTURIES!!!! I don't think a style of government is gonna change the middle eastern culture. I know there are a minority that want change but, its too little to be heard. This is a war for control of energy and thats it. I don't care, the bottom line is oil. They will always be fighting each other. Religion to these folks is larfer than any government.
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it will never happen.. the only thing to do now really is to pick a side you want to win charge them for weapons in Iraq and try to get the others (syria,Iran) to join in and get them fighting each other.. Also keep your army around the oil and take the oil to pay for the removal of Saddam.. what are they at now $200 Billion or something.. that could have gone a long way in the USA Economy.. health care, Your car companies maybe (GM, Ford), Environment, New Orleans, Michigan, take your pick any would have been better.
Also when is the USA planning on paying off the national debt?? Or does it seem like they are just running the tab up?
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[quote=runningman;420222]it will never happen.. the only thing to do now really is to pick a side you want to win charge them for weapons in Iraq and try to get the others (syria,Iran) to join in and get them fighting each other.. Also keep your army around the oil and take the oil to pay for the removal of Saddam.. what are they at now $200 Billion or something.. that could have gone a long way in the USA Economy.. health care, Your car companies maybe (GM, Ford), Environment, New Orleans, Michigan, take your pick any would have been better.
Also when is the USA planning on paying off the national debt?? Or does it seem like they are just running the tab up?[/quote]
Fuck GM and Ford. I wish they would just go out of business. American cars suck. I'm tired of having to even look at ugly American cars on the road. Someone should put them out of MY misery. :lol:
We just need to get it through our thick skulls that we can't compete with imports. Even the import brands can build their cars in the USA and still be successful. Many of them are doing this today. It's sad when foreign companies can come to the USA and build better cars using our home grown labor force, while also being more profitable than the domestic competition. Nice work, labor unions.:roll:
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Also when is the USA planning on paying off the national debt?? Or does it seem like they are just running the tab up?[/quote]
They can't pay it off. They have no money to pay it off with. The US is like 80% of the population....debt up to their eyeballs.
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ummmmm...... our national debt has a lot to do with our foreign aid..... when europe and africa start paying us back for our post WW2 aid, it will drop dramatically....
oh waitaminute... if we did that, everyone would hate for bankrupting them.....remember that one US citizen bailed out italy's debt and never asked to be repaid.
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Africa pay its debt back? lol!
but seriously...the US is in debt. Plain and simple.
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mostly for good reasons. we could have told the planet to fuck off post ww2 and let them rebuild themslves. be glad we didnt, we'd all be wearing turbans once the middle east saw the opputrunity....
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You think our debt is because of rebuilding after ww2? I don't think so dude. Our debt is because of a government that can't spend within its budget and a central bank who is willing to go along with them.
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[quote=Lorn;421005]You think our debt is because of rebuilding after ww2? I don't think so dude. Our debt is because of a government that can't spend within its budget and a central bank who is willing to go along with them.[/quote]
you clearly need to read up on federal spending outside US borders. im not beginning the arguement until then.
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no the problem is that the central back tells the politicians what to do..
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im gonna say NO, again....
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