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[B][B][B] LYNN CHENEY IN CNN SITDOWN, SLAPDOWN: DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN? Fri Oct 27 2006 18:29:49 ET

Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney, took on CNN Friday evening during an interview with anchorman Wolf Blitzer.

Transcript:

CHENEY: You made a point last night of a man who had a bookstore in London where radical islamists gathered. Who was in Afghanistan when the Taliban were there. Who went to Pakistan. You know, I think that you might be a little careful before you declare this as a person with clean hands.

WOLF: You are receiving to the CNN "Broken Government" special. This is the one John King reported on last night.

CHENEY: Right there, Wolf. 'Broken Government.' What kind of stance is that? Here we are. We are a country where we have been mightily challenged over the past six years. We've been through 9/11, we've been through Katrina. The president and the vice president inherited a recession. We are in a country where the economy is healthy. That's not broken. This government has acted very well. We have tax cuts responsible for the healthy economy. We are a country that was attacked five years ago. We haven't been attacked since. What this government has done is effective. That's not broken government. So, you know, I shouldn't let media bias surprise me, but I worked at CNN once. I watched a program last night.

WOLF: You worked on CROSSFIRE.

CHENEY: ...And i was troubled.

WOLF: All right. Well that was probably the purpose, to get people to think. To get people to discuss these issues. Because --

CHENEY: Well, all right. Wolf, I'm here to talk about my book. But if you want to talk about distortion --

WOLF: We'll talk about your book.

CHENEY: Right, but what is CNN doing? Running terrorist tape of terrorists shooting Americans. I mean, I thought [Rep.] Duncan Hunter asked you a very good question, and you didn't answer it. Do you want us to win?

WOLF: The answer of course is we want the United States to win. We are Americans. There's no doubt about that.

CHENEY: Then why are you running terrorist propaganda?

WOLF: Well all do respect, this is not terrorist propaganda. 

CHENEY: Oh, wolf. 

WOLF: This is reporting the news. Which is what we do, we are not partisan. 

CHENEY: Where did you get the film? 

WOLF: We got the film, look, this is an issue that has been widely discussed. This is an issue we reported on extensively. We make no apologies for showing that. That was a very carefully-considered decision why we did that. And I think, I think --

CHENEY: Well I think it's shocking. 

WOLF: If you are a serious journalist, you want to report the news. Sometimes the news is good, sometimes the news isn't so good.

CHENEY: But wolf, there's a difference between news and terrorist propaganda. 

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i saw some her inteview, too. i think she is a couple sandwitches short of a picnic...

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[quote][B]'Broken Government.' What kind of stance is that? Here we are. We are a country where we have been mightily challenged over the past six years. We've been through 9/11, we've been through Katrina. The president and the vice president inherited a recession. We are in a country where the economy is healthy. That's not broken. This government has acted very well. We have tax cuts responsible for the healthy economy. We are a country that was attacked five years ago. We haven't been attacked since. What this government has done is effective. That's not broken government.[/quote][/B]

Yep. And we can just all close our eyes and pretend everything is beautiful...

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sounds like what clinton had done with Fox, only Ms. Cheney fails with CNN.

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I think CNN sucks. They actually showed tape of a terrorist sniper killing an American soldier. What if that was your brother or son getting killed and CNN was broadcasting it? You'd obviously be outraged.

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Desperate times demand desperate measures.

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[QUOTE=Lorn;397989]Desperate times demand desperate measures.[/QUOTE]

??? - please explain

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They have to bring their wives out to preach? Must be getting pretty desperate. While I agree with your take on CNN showing the sniper killings, its obvious public sentiment has turned against the white house.

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I agree the Republicans are desperate. Bill Maher showed some of their negative campaign ads on Friday's show.

Quite frankly, the Republicans have it coming to them this November. They had the Executive and Legislative branches like the Dems did in the early 90's and caused a mess.

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Yup. Spent us into oblivion. If we are stuck with the two party system I'm a firm believer in gridlock.

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[quote=Lorn;398015]They have to bring their wives out to preach?.[/quote]

why are wives so prominent in American politics? - its been that way for ages - I dont just mean this administration.

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Good question. I don't know. Perhaps it has something to do this country's roots in Christianity and the idea of marriage.

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hopefully it's supporting their husbands...though I'm sure a few along the way also have their interests in mind too to keep things going...

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[quote=superdave;397944]I think CNN sucks. They actually showed tape of a terrorist sniper killing an American soldier. What if that was your brother or son getting killed and CNN was broadcasting it? You'd obviously be outraged.[/quote]I guess a lot of Iraqis can fill you in on that one...

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[QUOTE=KinKyJ;398239]I guess a lot of Iraqis can fill you in on that one...[/QUOTE]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Plus, ABC got into trouble showing a U.S. helicopter killing Iraqis when the war first started.

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^Sounds like censorship to me.

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[quote=superdave;398242]Two wrongs don't make a right. Plus, ABC got into trouble showing a U.S. helicopter killing Iraqis when the war first started.[/quote]that's because they wanted you to believe that there's actually a thing as a clean war ;)

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[quote=KinKyJ;398343]that's because they wanted you to believe that there's actually a thing as a clean war ;)[/quote]

Yea. If they would stop treating us like morons maybe we would stop acting like morons.

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^^^ wishful thinking imo :mrgreen:

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[quote=KinKyJ;398357]^^^ wishful thinking imo :mrgreen:[/quote]

Morons usually equal wishful thinking. ;)

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Decency and quality news reporting would be nice. I didn't know CNN was now the execution channel.

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[quote=superdave;398782]Decency and quality news reporting would be nice. I didn't know CNN was now the execution channel.[/quote]Ow please dave, CNN has played the Bush fiddle during the Gulf War, 9/11 and the invasion in Iraq. Hell, they even made a show out of that shit. Now all of a sudden they don't stand for decency and quality news reporting? Let me let you in on a little secret: few channels in the US provide quality news reporting in the first place. Just look at how Monicagate was covered... erm... blown up in the media.

If you want quality news reporting, watch CNN, BBC, some other European channels and read a few newspapers. Compare them all and you get at least a clue of what's going on in the world.

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[QUOTE=KinKyJ;398939]Ow please dave, CNN has played the Bush fiddle during the Gulf War, 9/11 and the invasion in Iraq. Hell, they even made a show out of that shit. Now all of a sudden they don't stand for decency and quality news reporting? Let me let you in on a little secret: few channels in the US provide quality news reporting in the first place. Just look at how Monicagate was covered... erm... blown up in the media.

If you want quality news reporting, watch CNN, BBC, some other European channels and read a few newspapers. Compare them all and you get at least a clue of what's going on in the world.[/QUOTE]

Puh-lease - BBC, Middle East, and European news lean towards the anti-Bush, hate America crowd. I've seen news reports over the years exposing the bias outside of the U.S.

And that CNN program Broken Government was enlightening or maybe just in time for mid-term elections.

Maybe you and Letterman can hang out together.

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[quote=superdave;399026]Puh-lease - BBC, Middle East, and European news lean towards the anti-Bush, hate America crowd. I've seen news reports over the years exposing the bias outside of the U.S. [/quote]Yet you fail to see the bullshit they feed you in your own country? Maybe you should wake up from your wet dream and smell the coffee. We might be Bush critics (can you blame us?), but we don't hate the US nor the Americans. Seems to me your reality check bounced friend... Just check the approval rates and tell me the rest of your countrymen think we're full of it when we say Bush is wrong.

-edit- Just saw Letterman in Yao's thread and I've gotta say that I don't take your remark as an insult at all. I guess you'd be renting a room with O'Reilly meanwhile? :p

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[QUOTE=superdave;397944]I think CNN sucks. They actually showed tape of a terrorist sniper killing an American soldier. What if that was your brother or son getting killed and CNN was broadcasting it? You'd obviously be outraged.[/QUOTE]

I think that censorship is bad. They should show soldiers, iraqis, terrorists, all dying on tv in high-definition. American news is under a huge amount of political control. The same people demanding blood from their soldiers should see this blood on tv. Id like to see terrorists chopping peoples heads off and more hearts and minds spattered across the pavement. They show us images of thousands dying during the 911 attacks, but when a suicide bomber kills a few dozen people on the street, they have some hot broad under a pund of makeup narrating it out for 30 seconds. Theres more censorship now than during vietnam. If they had some real blood on tv - latenight - im sure ratings would soar.

Forgive foreign news services if most of this good earth would rather see the president dead and pushing dasies. Unfortunately US forces have killed enough foreign journalists to turn them sour on the war. American cable news sucks, its all too often advertisements feigning that its news. I've been especially turned off from american news since the last mexican elections, virtual media blackout and nobody in this country seems to be aware fo what the hell happened.

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CNN has been shit for quite a long time now and this interview between the illusionist Lynne Cheney and dumbass Wolf Blitzer (I wish CNN would send him back to the trenches again, much better reporting than in a studio) is indicative of that. The overall US media (TV, radio and press) has been shit for a long time now.

The tactics used in telling stories is so biased that it isn't even funny. They tell a story as if they're being even-handed, but don't give you opposing views until they've already helped you form an opinion and even then they cut the opposing views short (not always quite as dramatically as O'Reilly or Hannity).

I read a ton of media, both from the US and outside and they all employ the same tactical writing styles that completely bias a reader. Here are a number of ways that the media bias in stories shows, but you need to pay particular attention to see it:

1. the placement of a story in either a newspaper or tv report...ie. the further buried the story, the less people read it.

2. burying particular parts of the story within the story itself. This is where you report let's say the effect of an action, ie. bombing, while reporting much much later in the story, after an opinion has been formed that bombing is bad, about the cause, ie. why bomb which may or may not justify the effect.

3. specific words, very often subjective adjectives, which is a judgement made by those doing the reporting...that is not reporting, it's punditry.

4. reporters making themselves the story...this encapsulates a great deal of the US media at present :roll:

And this is all aside from censorship, either self-censorship (issues against the interests of the media themselves, like corporate comglomerate ownership of the media...I'm thinking of Clear Channel and Murdoch here in the US) and state censorship.

I'm sure I could come up with many more, but the point is that in order to get a real accounting of what's going on in the world, you do need to read sources outside the US and by paying attention to these tactics, you may be able to actually get to the crux of many issues.

And I'm not even touching on the crappy sensationalized news that they love covering and how they run with it, ie. john mark karr, tom cruise, etc. etc.

As for the anti-US sentiment in the foreign press, I simply can't understand the ego of the many Americans. They essentially told Europe to go fuck themselves over Iraq (and so much more over the early years of Bush's isolationist administration) and then when they get bad press in return, they act all indignant as if it's undeserved. Sorry, that's just an expected cost of this adminstration's policies. If the US wants to continue to do things their way with no concern for foreign interests, then stop being surprised when the foreign press slams you.

P.S. I hear you on the lack of coverage of the Mexican election, but I'm one of the few that actually does know what happened there and it wasn't too far off from the US elections of 2000. ;)

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as to what ben just wrote...

notice that there hasnt been any media covering how well our economy is doing??? also note that NO ONE has covered the public works the UN and US are constructing in afhghanistan and iraq, they never tell us how the US funds half the governments in africa aznd the middle east through exrtremely large foreign aid.

michael moore syndrome all around.... nope, its just fashionable to coerce us into opinions, primarily due to the fact that the networks lobby like crazy to the US politicians..... (fox being hillary clintons second largest donor, and in the top 20 of democratic donations)

independence is gone, and agenda's are in..... its sick.

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two things, one question

1. i just noticed that msnbc.com a usually hard line liberal company, has already taken down the headline about john kerry

2. to everyone who reads this, do you find cnn to be left or right leaning.....your own opinions.

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I'll try and take your points/questions one by one:

[QUOTE=thesightless;399873]notice that there hasnt been any media covering how well our economy is doing???[/QUOTE] Yes the economy's doing well, but the income inequality in this country just gets worse and worse. There's become a great difference between average salaries and whose salaries are actually boosting that average. One thing I learned very well in all my statistics courses is that you could always find statistics to support any point you want to make, you just need to know how to interpret them and twist them to fit your point.

This economy of ours used to be indicative of a growing middle class, but now it really only shows just how rich the rich are getting. The "Drip-Down" economic policies of this administration are completely clogged. :roll:

[QUOTE=thesightless;399873]also note that NO ONE has covered the public works the UN and US are constructing in afhghanistan and iraq, they never tell us how the US funds half the governments in africa aznd the middle east through exrtremely large foreign aid.[/QUOTE] I admit that the US does give a considerably higher share of foreign aid than many foreign countries (both nominally and as a % of GDP), but all too often it's the manner in which they give the money that is at issue. In Iraq, there are tons of military and rebuilding contractors that are making ridiculous amounts of profits. This results in a huge discrepancy between the amount the US is giving and the amount of rebuilding seen on the ground. Also, a good deal of US foreign aid given to Iraq and various other middle east countries goes towards oil production capabilities and security.

[QUOTE=thesightless;399873]michael moore syndrome all around.... nope, its just fashionable to coerce us into opinions, primarily due to the fact that the networks lobby like crazy to the US politicians..... (fox being hillary clintons second largest donor, and in the top 20 of democratic donations)

independence is gone, and agenda's are in..... its sick.[/QUOTE] There supposedly was an interesting article in the New Yorker recently (one I unfortunately haven't had the time to read yet), but as I understand it they were discussing whether Murdoch and his networks were planning a move to the more liberal side as the tide continues to turn.

[QUOTE=thesightless;399878]two things, one question

1. i just noticed that msnbc.com a usually hard line liberal company, has already taken down the headline about john kerry

2. to everyone who reads this, do you find cnn to be left or right leaning.....your own opinions.[/QUOTE] I never really found msnbc to be too liberal...they always seemed to ride the fence depending on where the tide was on a particular day.

As for CNN, I believe they were originally very hard left, but their stances and reporting were getting them nowhere in the ratings and they decided to take a shift towards the right on a number of issues.

But I also believe a lot of the shift in the media comes from a very aggressive administration that has made it clear time and time again that anyone who opposes or criticizes this administration will get no access whatsoever to them. This has forced many in the media to shift their stances and curtail their criticisms, hence giving the appearance of a shift to the right.

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Good discussion today folks.

I think Ruby's take on the agressiveness of the current administration to be accurate. I believe all this bs we are suffering through will eventually come to ahead and a massive restructuring/shifting of priorities and viewpoints will happen. Just my opinion of course.

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I'd like a story covering how the US has more prisoners than any other country in the world. I'm not sure thats ever gonna get on tv though.

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id like a story on [I]why[/I] we have more prisoners... oh yeah, they know they can get away with it and we have the best police force outside of the UK..... they are committing crime and the cops are doing thier jobs. you want them to stop policing criminals and abandon law b/c you feel our jails are too populated? must be nice to live in a shelter....

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^ | i think you need to know the types of people you've got locked up. 60% are nonviolent drug offenders, many of which are first time offenders. not really sure nonviolent people who havent wronged anyone belong in jail...

and the united states imprisons more people now (as a % of total population) than communist russia did...that's saying something.

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yeah, ill say it, stop breaking the law. without law, you have ppl doing whatever they want. if we have a problem with class b,c, and d, drug offenders, then we need to pressure the legilature into relaxing the laws and panalties. IMO, even nonviolent class A offenders should face the consequences.

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[quote=thesightless;400558]yeah, ill say it, stop breaking the law. without law, you have ppl doing whatever they want. if we have a problem with class b,c, and d, drug offenders, then we need to pressure the legilature into relaxing the laws and panalties. IMO, even nonviolent class A offenders should face the consequences.[/quote]

you ever tried a class a drug?

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yup, and if i got caught, then i get whats coming, its not like i didnt know blowing lines was illegal until i got out of college. there is a line of responsibility there being that evryone knows what will happen if yer caught...

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[quote=thesightless;399873]as to what ben just wrote...

notice that there hasnt been any media covering how well our economy is doing??? also note that NO ONE has covered the public works the UN and US are constructing in afhghanistan and iraq, they never tell us how the US funds half the governments in africa aznd the middle east through exrtremely large foreign aid.

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The economy is doing well because we're at war. A lot of companies are thoroughly benefiting from the war which is causing a rippling effect to companies that provide the good's to those companies, etc...

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[quote=thesightless;400849]yup, and if i got caught, then i get whats coming, its not like i didnt know blowing lines was illegal until i got out of college. there is a line of responsibility there being that evryone knows what will happen if yer caught...[/quote]

Ya, I have to agree with that too.

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but thats not my point...the punishment doesnt fit the crime.

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[quote=SUPREMEOPRESSOR;400511]I'd like a story covering how the US has more prisoners than any other country in the world. I'm not sure thats ever gonna get on tv though.[/quote]total or pro rata?