[size=6]George W. Bush Resume[/size]

[b]Past work experience:[/b]

Ran for congress and lost.

Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.

[b]Accomplishments as president:[/b]

Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. ([url]http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/[/url])

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

[b]Records and References:[/b]

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)

by Kelley Kramer

[b]Disclaimer: This above is a [i]joke[/i]. This is not George W Bush's [i]real[/i] resume. Don't get your panties in a knot![/b]

could you get more liberal?

half the statements in there are false, or skew'd in a moore way. what is wrong with you?

talk about a load of crap. :x

That Kerry resume must've hit a sore spot, delirium tremens? :Naughty: Don't get run over by the elephant :mrgreen: (that beer is great, btw) :RockOn:

[quote=asdf_admin]could you get more liberal?

half the statements in there are false, or skew'd in a moore way. what is wrong with you?

talk about a load of crap. :x[/quote]

Chill out, punk :HolyShit:

i ain't no punk sucker-ass.

[quote=asdf_admin]i ain't no punk sucker-ass.[/quote]

Here in South Africa, punk means "a rockin' guy" :Who:

lol. okay. :lol:

how is the weather?

[quote=asdf_admin]lol. okay. :lol:

how is the weather?[/quote]

At the moment quite weird to tell you the truth. It's supposed to be spring but it goes from summer to winter almost daily which is NOT usual. Can't wait for summer (Oct - March) where everyone is on the beach or at outdoor tranceparties and having a big fucking party:) If you get a chance to get to Cape Town JUST DO IT :Naughty:

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wow. looks so great. always wanted to go ... Perhaps I will use my EU passport and skip the US one ... :wink: I plan to go in the next couple of years ... my wife wants to go real bad.

so you do not like George Bush?

[quote=asdf_admin]wow. looks so great. always wanted to go ... Perhaps I will use my EU passport and skip the US one ... :wink: I plan to go in the next couple of years ... my wife wants to go real bad. [/quote]

Come this summer. It's dirt cheap and you'll have an absolute blast...

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[quote=asdf_admin]so you do not like George Bush?[/quote]

Believe it or not, not many people outside the US like George Bush. The Bush Administration stopped the US giving South Africa medical assistance because we allow abortions, and stopped military assistance because we were against the Iraq war. Petty actions to a real US friend.

as you stated you aren't the only one. my brother is traveling in Europe as of now. I spoke with him this morning, and he hates politics. Everyone always asks him about BUSH ... sad. He is a young student trying to enrich his life and enjoy the beauties of culture, yet he has been in many close calls because of the US politics and etc.

Much has changed in the past few years. I only hope it gets better for the world, and esp for US. To be frank, neither Bush or Kerry are good, they are really the same two people. I do not see any difference, nor do I think I will. After all this and that. I will vote Bush, not because I like the guy nor support his actions. I like one thing about him, he says what he does. It is that simple for me. In regards to Iraq ... History will tell us the true verdict and until, we all must wait for the truth.

I am sorry about the drop in US supplies, I really do not know what to say in that regard. I know Africa needs much help, and esp the children.

I do not like politics today. :cry:

Too much politics can really hurt. Sometimes you just gotta turn it off. I wish we could all just go back to worrying about our own problems but that doesn't work. And too bad America is always hidden behind Hollywood and its President and never gets viewed for just being what it really is. As for Iraq, I really hope their soccer team continues to whomp some ass in the Olympics, nice to see them getting back on key without that bastard child Uday. :x :|

^^^ true dat.

:wink:

[quote=delirious]The Bush Administration stopped the US giving South Africa medical assistance because we allow abortions, and stopped military assistance because we were against the Iraq war. Petty actions to a real US friend.[/quote]

Why does South Africa need medical assistance from the USA? Maybe if the South African government didn't blow Billions of Rands on parties they would have enough money not to need assistance :roll:

[quote=delirious]Here in South Africa, punk means "a rockin' guy" [/quote]

Liar :Tongue:

[quote=delirious]where everyone is on the beach or at outdoor [b]tranceparties[/b] and having a big fucking party:)[/quote]

Good enough reason to stay away imo :wink:

[quote=delirious][img]http://cybercapetown.co.za/albums/vortexcapetown/DSCF6808.sized.jpg[/img][/quote]

Eeellooo

drugs are bad m'kay :Rolling:

*Edit: This was a double post :Who:

[quote=factorg][quote=delirious]The Bush Administration stopped the US giving South Africa medical assistance because we allow abortions, and stopped military assistance because we were against the Iraq war. Petty actions to a real US friend.[/quote]

Why does South Africa need medical assistance from the USA? Maybe if the South African government didn't blow Billions of Rands on parties they would have enough money not to need assistance :roll:[/quote]

The SA government spends loads of money on parties? :lol:

Our economy has been one of the best performing economies over the past few years so we don't really need the assistance. However, there are loads of countries that REALLY need that assistance.

[quote=factorg][quote=delirious]Here in South Africa, punk means "a rockin' guy" [/quote]

Liar :Tongue:

[/quote]

No, seriously... it's like saying "dude"

[quote=factorg][quote=delirious]where everyone is on the beach or at outdoor [b]tranceparties[/b] and having a big fucking party:)[/quote]

Good enough reason to stay away imo :wink: [/quote]

Hey, I like progressive but I tell you - something special goes on at those outdoorparties...dancing in the African countryside... people swimming nude in a big dam... All the yanks and Brits I've met have said they'd never seen anything like it.

But if you're the boring and unadventurous type, you can always go to an ordinary club instead. :roll:

That resume looks pretty spot on. It left one thing out though: New record low for presidential press conferences: 11

[quote=delirious]The SA government spends loads of money on parties? :lol: [/quote]

eh, yes. The presidents inauguration for one, that was a fucking joke. Poverty is rife and there are people who go with no running water or electricity or with no real home, unless you call a tin shack a home? and the government spends all those millions for a party :unsure:

[url=http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Decade_of_Freedom/0,,2-7-1598_1518264,00.html]Mbeki inauguration[/url]

[quote=delirious]Our economy has been one of the best performing economies over the past few years so we don't really need the assistance. However, there are loads of countries that REALLY need that assistance.[/quote]

True, i believe South Africa should and can make it's own way. It is a country with great potential imo.

Its also true that countries need assistance and which they do get, and South Africa should play their role in giving it.

[quote=delirious]No, seriously... it's like saying "dude"[/quote]

Must be a capetonian thing then :unsure:

[quote=delirious][quote=factorg][quote=delirious]where everyone is on the beach or at outdoor [b]tranceparties[/b] and having a big fucking party:)[/quote]

Good enough reason to stay away imo :wink: [/quote]

Hey, I like progressive but I tell you - something special goes on at those outdoorparties...dancing in the African countryside... people swimming nude in a big dam... All the yanks and Brits I've met have said they'd never seen anything like it.

But if you're the boring and unadventurous type, you can always go to an ordinary club instead. :roll:[/quote]

Nothing wrong with dancing in the sunshine and I enjoy it ever summer :WinkNSmi: The choice of music would be the reason to stay away :wink:

"presidential press conferences'

i can understand why. the Liberal media takes anything they can and skew it such a manor, that fucking heads pop. so that is my final answer and a true one at that.

:wink:

[quote=delirious] Believe it or not, not many people outside the US like George Bush.[/quote]

The majority of Americans don't either.

^^^ not true at all. it is spilt 50/50, i would not say that is a majority. you a Liberal? :lol:

I'm not going to say I like Bush, but I know more people who will probably end up voting for him then Kerry. And I still think Bush will probably win.

As for me, I just dislike Kerry more, but not enough to justify a vote for Bush.

[quote=factorg][quote=delirious]The SA government spends loads of money on parties? :lol: [/quote]

eh, yes. The presidents inauguration for one, that was a fucking joke. Poverty is rife and there are people who go with no running water or electricity or with no real home, unless you call a tin shack a home? and the government spends all those millions for a party :unsure:

[url=http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Decade_of_Freedom/0,,2-7-1598_1518264,00.html]Mbeki inauguration[/url] [/quote]

I thought you meant tranceparties! :oops: I agree that it wastes money on really stupid things (like most governments)

[quote=delirious]Our economy has been one of the best performing economies over the past few years so we don't really need the assistance. However, there are loads of countries that REALLY need that assistance.[/quote]

True, i believe South Africa should and can make it's own way. It is a country with great potential imo.

Its also true that countries need assistance and which they do get, and South Africa should play their role in giving it. [/quote]

And we do... all over the African continent.

[quote=factorg] [quote=delirious]No, seriously... it's like saying "dude"[/quote]

Must be a capetonian thing then :unsure: [/quote]

Might be!

[quote=factorg] Nothing wrong with dancing in the sunshine and I enjoy it ever summer :WinkNSmi: The choice of music would be the reason to stay away :wink:[/quote]

I tried to stay away but when I was taken to a party where you could hear the dark, tribal, minimal music for MILES away, in nature, with everyone around a campfire, you learn to appreciate the experience. Very spiritual.

Besides that, I stay in the city and hang out in all the clubs :) :Naughty:

[quote=asdf_admin]^^^ not true at all. it is spilt 50/50, i would not say that is a majority. you a Liberal? :lol:[/quote]

the majority of voters did not vote for bush in the last election. i'm registered independent but the more i read and learn i skew more liberal.

i was only kidding buddy. it will be an interesting novemeber.

we got Bush we got Kerry we got people we got the t's we got the ct's

and of course we have media.

You know kats like delirious and devon and the likes really give me a migraine headache. Delirious for the record...your a joke! For you to post such misinformation and unprecedented bold lies, very irresponsible delirious. See what people like you and your group(eccentric liberals that will do anything possible to create rank propaganda and misguide the uneducated) do is distort facts like a slinky, your world is like a keleidescope of bold lies, a tangles web of false doctrines. See whats humerous to me is that the truth about you, delirious, is that your probably a pill popping bedroom dj that jocks your local djs gooseneck, and gets dreamy about a international dj that you can't wait to taste his plums. You obviously know nothing about politics, and certainly nothing more about AMERICAN politics. NOTICE TO ALL: DONT BELIEVE SHIT THIS GUY SAYS. ie: Can you tell I really dont like this guy? :) Fact is I have 0 respect for a guy who comes on a legitimate political forum and spreads this kind of pithy lies. If you have an opinion bring it, but dont go spitting misinformation, mate!

[quote=neur0t0xin64]You know kats like delirious and devon and the likes really give me a migraine headache. Delirious for the record...your a joke! For you to post such misinformation and unprecedented bold lies, very irresponsible delirious. See what people like you and your group(eccentric liberals that will do anything possible to create rank propaganda and misguide the uneducated) do is distort facts like a slinky, your world is like a keleidescope of bold lies, a tangles web of false doctrines. See whats humerous to me is that the truth about you, delirious, is that your probably a pill popping bedroom dj that jocks your local djs gooseneck, and gets dreamy about a international dj that you can't wait to taste his plums. You obviously know nothing about politics, and certainly nothing more about AMERICAN politics. NOTICE TO ALL: DONT BELIEVE SHIT THIS GUY SAYS. ie: Can you tell I really dont like this guy? :) Fact is I have 0 respect for a guy who comes on a legitimate political forum and spreads this kind of pithy lies. If you have an opinion bring it, but dont go spitting misinformation, mate![/quote]

With respect matey, i find your comments somewhat disturbing.

First off if you read the orginal post by Delirious you will see a final line in nice bold print pointing out that the resume is nothing more then a joke. Why are you taking it so seriously?

Secondly, when people bash Kerry in a similar fashion that seems to be ok with you. Whys that? Does this not smell of hypocrasy?

Thirdly, the nature of politics is that people always lie. Well maybe lie is too strong a word, lets try embelish the truth. It happens in every democracy.

Fourthly, I've said this before, and i'll say it again, in the run up to elections, the role of the opposition is to discredit the ruling party. The are two ways this can be achieved; either by attacking a political record or by attacking the politician. The opposition doesnt really care, you see all they want is enough doubt in the electorates mind NOT to re-elect the incumbant. Now, it could be argued, that an opposition that attacks the personal qualiaties, or lack of, of the incumbant might be doing to hide the fact that they have nothing really new to offer the electorate, i guess thats one way of looking at it.

Finally, on a personal note i'm not an american, i can't vote. Although my personal politics lean slightly to the left, i dont think, internationally speaking, that Bush has been so bad for the world (I can't talk about how he's been for America i'm just not that informed!), but i'm also not convinced that Kerry will be so bad. We're living in an age where the lines of politics are being continually redrawn with a blurring between centre left and right in most countries.

[quote=davetlv] Although my personal politics lean slightly to the left, i dont think, internationally speaking, that Bush has been so bad for the world (I can't talk about how he's been for America i'm just not that informed!) [/quote]

I don't really have a huge problem with his international policy in the abstract, although I think his judgment was clouded when it came to Iraq, which led to that policy being poorly implemented.

IMHO, it is here in the States that Bush has really failed. His domestic policies have been to favor big business over individuals at pretty much every turn. The number of people without health insurance has risen from 4 million to 44 million during his adminstration, job growth is pitiful, and the stock market is lower today than it was when he took office -- I'm pretty sure that is a first. Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans. He's taken liberties with our civil liberties, allowing unprecedented government intrusion into our lives as citizens. Crazy shit here -- I really, really can't wait to see him go.

[quote=neur0t0xin64]You know kats like delirious and devon and the likes really give me a migraine headache. Delirious for the record...your a joke! For you to post such misinformation and unprecedented bold lies, very irresponsible delirious.. rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant rant [/quote]

:lol:

Why is it that some people get so angry and have hissy-fits instead of having a constructive and interesting exchange of views? If you can't be civil to a fellow clubber in a dance music forum, what chance do we have at creating peace around the world? The resume was a joke. Chill out.

[quote=asdf_admin]"presidential press conferences'

i can understand why. the Liberal media takes anything they can and skew it such a manor, that fucking heads pop. so that is my final answer and a true one at that.

:wink:[/quote] What liberal media? All media in the USA is owned by large conglomerates who only benefit from Bushito & Company's laws and regulations. The new one taking away overtime from millions of people including your truly.

Re:: George W. Bush Resume

My problem with these threads is there are too many inaccuracies and half truths being made. And what bothers me is that most of these are made by non-Americans. Which is a little disturbing because this makes me think that your media in other countries reports inaccurate or incomplete data that puts Bush and/or the U.S. in a bad position.

I'm still finding it difficult to accept that so many foreigners to the U.S. are interested in our Presidential election. I don't show any interest in who's President, Prime Minister, or whatever in Germany, UK, or South Africa.

my apologies for overreacting. truthfully i overlooked the part about it being a joke. im always up for debate and not confrontation, guess it just struck a nerve somehow. Davetlv, I admit that i've been on the defensive on this forum...its very very anti-administration-and so I guess I am overjoyed when it goes the other way, shame on me., Also I agree with your 4th and final points, nicely put. Toasty, i'd really like to see where you got that 4 to 44 million statistic. Sounds embellished to me.

[quote=devon][quote=delirious] Believe it or not, not many people outside the US like George Bush.[/quote]

The majority of Americans don't either.[/quote]

you speak for the majority? :Whoaa:

[quote="toasty IMHO, it is here in the States that Bush has really failed. His domestic policies have been to favor big business over individuals at pretty much every turn. The number of people without health insurance has risen from 4 million to 44 million during his adminstration, job growth is pitiful, and the stock market is lower today than it was when he took office -- I'm pretty sure that is a first. Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans. He's taken liberties with our civil liberties, allowing unprecedented government intrusion into our lives as citizens. Crazy shit here -- I really, really can't wait to see him go.[/quote]

Monday, August 23, 2004 Fact Sheet: President Bush Strengthens And Expands Overtime Pay For Workers

The Department of Labor's Regulations Will Deliver Overtime For An Additional 1.3 Million Workers. They ensure an additional 1.3 million workers will gain up to $375 million in additional earnings every year.

The Fraternal Order Of Police Supports The New Regulations. FOP National President Chuck Canterbury called the regulations an "unprecedented victory" for America's first responders. (Fraternal Order of Police, ?Final DOL Regulations Protect And Expand Overtime For America's First Responders,? Press Release, 4/20/04)

Clearer Rules Updated For The 21st Century Workplace Will Reduce Litigation Costs. They will also encourage employers to hire additional workers and strengthen Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) overtime protections for American workers.

These Changes Will Make It Easier For Workers To Know Their Rights, For Employers To Understand Their Obligations, And For The Department Of Labor To Enforce The FLSA.

The Winners Under The Old Regulations Were Trial Lawyers Involved With Overtime Lawsuits Draining $2 Billion From The Economy Each Year. The winners under this final regulation are workers.

Strengthening Overtime Protection

This Regulatory Change Is Part Of The President's Overall Tort Reform Efforts. The previous overtime rules were outdated, confusing and complex, requiring workers to spend years in federal court to receive the overtime pay they were entitled to. Federal court class actions for overtime pay have tripled since 1997 and now outnumber discrimination class actions.

The Old Rule Was Outdated. The previous rule, written in 1949, included examples of how to classify key punch operators, machine men, and straw bosses but said nothing about more current job classifications such as physicians' assistants, licensed practical nurses, or paralegals. Outdated rules made it much more difficult for workers and employers to apply the duties tests to determine exemptions.

President Bush Has Acted To Triple The Threshold Under Which Workers Are Automatically Entitled To Overtime Pay. The threshold increases from $8,060 (less than the minimum wage) to $23,660 - the largest increase since the FLSA's creation in 1938.

The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protection For More Than 6.7 Million Workers. This means:

5.4 million salaried workers, who under the previous regulations were unsure if they should be paid overtime, get an ironclad guarantee of overtime rights under the final rule -- regardless of their job duties. 1.3 million salaried white-collar workers, who were not entitled to overtime pay under the previous regulations, will now be entitled to either overtime pay or higher salaries. The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protections For Blue-Collar Workers, Licensed Practical Nurses And First Responders. The rule clearly states for the first time that these workers are entitled to overtime.

There Are 1.3 Million White-Collar Salaried Workers Who Will Likely Gain Overtime. These include:

249,044 managers and administrators 143,856 sales supervisors and proprietors 79,936 teachers, teacher aids and librarians 51,848 accountants and auditors 49,387 computer systems analysts, computer programmers and scientists 45,506 registered nurses 45,404 health care managers 36,422 investigators and adjustors 32,399 designers 31,190 financial managers
The Changes Guarantee Overtime To:

An employee working 50 hours per week managing a restaurant for $15,600 per year. A worker putting in 60 hours a week managing a department store for $18,000 per year. An employee working 42 hours a week supervising a machine shop for $17,000 per year.

So ummm...Toasty...I'd really like to know where you get your information??! Once again you've made an ambitious attempt to sour the presidents reputation. Im afraid you've come up short my friend. Here the president has revised labor laws to adapt to 2004's volitile economy...the only person it is benefiting is the worker, and you spin the facts into your own little clouded perception. I just think its very irresponsible toasty. Wise up. Does it cause you pain to give props where they are due. C'mon this policy is a homerun for the worker man. Do your homework.

Toasty wrote: "IMHO, it is here in the States that Bush has really failed. His domestic policies have been to favor big business over individuals at pretty much every turn. The number of people without health insurance has risen from 4 million to 44 million during his adminstration, job growth is pitiful, and the stock market is lower today than it was when he took office -- I'm pretty sure that is a first. Today, new overtime provisions went into effect that will allow employers to avoid paying overtime to millions of Americans. He's taken liberties with our civil liberties, allowing unprecedented government intrusion into our lives as citizens. Crazy shit here -- I really, really can't wait to see him go."

Now Toasty-I respect your opinion if you dont like our president...but once again lets just make sure we have the facts correct! Go to the Bureau Of Labor Statistics, they are completely non-partisan. This information was disclosed by Republicans and Democrats alike. Btw, this thread has been officially hijacked and for good reason.

Friday, August 20, 2004 The Economy Line: Unemployment Declines

Unemployment Rates Lower In 49 States. "Unemployment rates were lower than a year earlier in all but one state and the District of Columbia. Oregon again reported the largest rate decrease from a year ago (-1.9 percentage points), followed by Washington (-1.7 points) and North Carolina (-1.6 points). ... Over the year, nonfarm employment increased in 46 states and the District of Columbia and decreased in 4 states." ("Regional And State Employment And Unemployment: July 2004," Press Release, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/20/04)

Initial Jobless Claims Fall. "The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance unexpectedly fell for a third week as companies continued to hold on to workers, a government report showed. Initial jobless claims fell by 3,000 to 331,000 from a revised 334,000 the week before, the Labor Department said in Washington. It was the lowest level since 309,000 the week ended July 3. The four-week moving average, a less volatile measure, fell 2,500 to 337,000." ("U.S. Initial Jobless Claims Fell 3,000 To 331,000 Last Week," Bloomberg, 8/19/04)

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 Fact Sheet: Supporting America's Small Businesses

President Bush recognizes that supporting America's small businesses is critical to ensuring continued job creation. Small businesses create two-thirds of new private sector jobs in America, employ more than half of all workers, and account for more than half of the output of our economy. Because small businesses are vital to our prosperity and reflect the hard work of the American people, President Bush has taken important steps to assist small businesses and the people they employ by reducing taxes, encouraging investment, and removing obstacles to growth.

President Bush has worked to make health care more affordable. President Bush has called for Association Health Plans (AHPs) to give America's working families greater access to affordable health insurance. By allowing small businesses to band together and negotiate on behalf of their employees and families, AHPs would help small businesses and employees obtain health insurance at an affordable price, much like large employers and unions. President Bush has also signed into law health savings accounts (HSAs), which combine low-cost, high-deductible health insurance with tax-free savings accounts to pay for health care expenses and save for future medical needs. President Bush has also proposed to make premiums for health insurance purchased in conjunction with an HSA tax deductible.

[quote=neur0t0xin64]Toasty, i'd really like to see where you got that 4 to 44 million statistic. Sounds embellished to me.[/quote]

Washington Post, 8/23/04, in a story discussing Bush's health care proposal.

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Monday, August 23, 2004 Fact Sheet: President Bush Strengthens And Expands Overtime Pay For Workers

The Department of Labor's Regulations Will Deliver Overtime For An Additional 1.3 Million Workers. They ensure an additional 1.3 million workers will gain up to $375 million in additional earnings every year.

The Fraternal Order Of Police Supports The New Regulations. FOP National President Chuck Canterbury called the regulations an "unprecedented victory" for America's first responders. (Fraternal Order of Police, ?Final DOL Regulations Protect And Expand Overtime For America's First Responders,? Press Release, 4/20/04)

Clearer Rules Updated For The 21st Century Workplace Will Reduce Litigation Costs. They will also encourage employers to hire additional workers and strengthen Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) overtime protections for American workers.

These Changes Will Make It Easier For Workers To Know Their Rights, For Employers To Understand Their Obligations, And For The Department Of Labor To Enforce The FLSA.

The Winners Under The Old Regulations Were Trial Lawyers Involved With Overtime Lawsuits Draining $2 Billion From The Economy Each Year. The winners under this final regulation are workers.

Strengthening Overtime Protection

This Regulatory Change Is Part Of The President's Overall Tort Reform Efforts. The previous overtime rules were outdated, confusing and complex, requiring workers to spend years in federal court to receive the overtime pay they were entitled to. Federal court class actions for overtime pay have tripled since 1997 and now outnumber discrimination class actions.

The Old Rule Was Outdated. The previous rule, written in 1949, included examples of how to classify key punch operators, machine men, and straw bosses but said nothing about more current job classifications such as physicians' assistants, licensed practical nurses, or paralegals. Outdated rules made it much more difficult for workers and employers to apply the duties tests to determine exemptions.

President Bush Has Acted To Triple The Threshold Under Which Workers Are Automatically Entitled To Overtime Pay. The threshold increases from $8,060 (less than the minimum wage) to $23,660 - the largest increase since the FLSA's creation in 1938.

The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protection For More Than 6.7 Million Workers. This means:

5.4 million salaried workers, who under the previous regulations were unsure if they should be paid overtime, get an ironclad guarantee of overtime rights under the final rule -- regardless of their job duties. 1.3 million salaried white-collar workers, who were not entitled to overtime pay under the previous regulations, will now be entitled to either overtime pay or higher salaries. The Final Rule Strengthens Overtime Protections For Blue-Collar Workers, Licensed Practical Nurses And First Responders. The rule clearly states for the first time that these workers are entitled to overtime.

There Are 1.3 Million White-Collar Salaried Workers Who Will Likely Gain Overtime. These include:

249,044 managers and administrators 143,856 sales supervisors and proprietors 79,936 teachers, teacher aids and librarians 51,848 accountants and auditors 49,387 computer systems analysts, computer programmers and scientists 45,506 registered nurses 45,404 health care managers 36,422 investigators and adjustors 32,399 designers 31,190 financial managers
The Changes Guarantee Overtime To:

An employee working 50 hours per week managing a restaurant for $15,600 per year. A worker putting in 60 hours a week managing a department store for $18,000 per year. An employee working 42 hours a week supervising a machine shop for $17,000 per year.

So ummm...Toasty...I'd really like to know where you get your information??! Once again you've made an ambitious attempt to sour the presidents reputation. Im afraid you've come up short my friend. Here the president has revised labor laws to adapt to 2004's volitile economy...the only person it is benefiting is the worker, and you spin the facts into your own little clouded perception. I just think its very irresponsible toasty. Wise up. Does it cause you pain to give props where they are due. C'mon this policy is a homerun for the worker man. Do your homework.[/quote]

For those of you that were wondering where our man neuro could have unearthed such an insightful and fair and balanced take on the issue, here's the link:

[url]http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=3348[/url]

Let me see if I've got this straight -- you cut and paste the talking points, VERBATIM, from the Bush-Cheney web site and purport to blast ME for failing to do my homework? You can be a mouthpiece for the GOP if you'd like and simply parrot the BS you hear coming out of Bush's campaign headquarters, but I prefer to do a little more research and exercise some fucking independent thought when developing my take on the issues.

You want to know where I get my information? Believe it or not, the thoughts and opinions I express on this board are my own, and if they're not, you'll see a link to the source material. Those thoughts and opinions are based upon facts and other information gleaned from all sorts of sources: CNN, Fox News, the AP Wire, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Drudge Report, Rush Limbaugh, Air America, The O'Reilly Factor, candidate and party web sites, polls, and any other information I can get my hands on.

If anyone on this board ever, and I do mean EVER sees me post something right off of the Kerry website in support of my position on something, without further substantive comment, drag me out into a field, beat me, and leave me for dead.

With all that said, I will grant you that the new overtime regs do not significantly alter the situation for most blue collar workers. It does, however, allow employers to reclassify their white-collar employees that currently earn overtime so that they do not. Moreover, although it is true that 1.3 million workers may gain overtime, some estimates put the number of employees that will lose overtime as high as 6 million, per Fox News. Really, though, all you need to know to know whether this benefits workers or employers is that businesses have been clamoring for this change for 50 years.

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Friday, August 20, 2004 The Economy Line: Unemployment Declines

Unemployment Rates Lower In 49 States. "Unemployment rates were lower than a year earlier in all but one state and the District of Columbia. Oregon again reported the largest rate decrease from a year ago (-1.9 percentage points), followed by Washington (-1.7 points) and North Carolina (-1.6 points). ... Over the year, nonfarm employment increased in 46 states and the District of Columbia and decreased in 4 states." ("Regional And State Employment And Unemployment: July 2004," Press Release, Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/20/04)

Initial Jobless Claims Fall. "The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance unexpectedly fell for a third week as companies continued to hold on to workers, a government report showed. Initial jobless claims fell by 3,000 to 331,000 from a revised 334,000 the week before, the Labor Department said in Washington. It was the lowest level since 309,000 the week ended July 3. The four-week moving average, a less volatile measure, fell 2,500 to 337,000." ("U.S. Initial Jobless Claims Fell 3,000 To 331,000 Last Week," Bloomberg, 8/19/04)

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[url]http://www.georgewbush.com/Economy/Read.aspx?ID=3326[/url]

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Wednesday, August 11, 2004 Fact Sheet: Supporting America's Small Businesses

President Bush recognizes that supporting America's small businesses is critical to ensuring continued job creation. Small businesses create two-thirds of new private sector jobs in America, employ more than half of all workers, and account for more than half of the output of our economy. Because small businesses are vital to our prosperity and reflect the hard work of the American people, President Bush has taken important steps to assist small businesses and the people they employ by reducing taxes, encouraging investment, and removing obstacles to growth.

President Bush has worked to make health care more affordable. President Bush has called for Association Health Plans (AHPs) to give America's working families greater access to affordable health insurance. By allowing small businesses to band together and negotiate on behalf of their employees and families, AHPs would help small businesses and employees obtain health insurance at an affordable price, much like large employers and unions. President Bush has also signed into law health savings accounts (HSAs), which combine low-cost, high-deductible health insurance with tax-free savings accounts to pay for health care expenses and save for future medical needs. President Bush has also proposed to make premiums for health insurance purchased in conjunction with an HSA tax deductible.[/quote]

[url]http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=3243[/url]

Same source -- Bush's website. Gee, wouldn't expect any spin from these articles, either. :roll: Dude, you ought to be ashamed...