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Another Conservative Comes to his Senses

22 durable postsStarted 2006-07-26Latest 2006-07-31
#30795Post 1 of 22

Check this out, an open letter written by conservative LA radio talk show host Doug McIntyre -- who shares air time with the likes of Hannity and O'Reilly. Note that this is no love-in for the democrats, either -- just one dude's assessment of the modern political situation, and the faults of our two party system. Without further ado:

[QUOTE]AN APOLOGY FROM A BUSH VOTER

By Doug McIntyre Host, McIntyre in the Morning Talk Radio 790 KABC

There?s nothing harder in public life than admitting you?re wrong. By the way, admitting you?re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don?t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it?s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.

So, I?m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he?s the worst President, period.

In 2000, I was a McCain guy. I wasn?t sure about the Texas Governor. He had name recognition and a lot of money behind him, but other than that? What? Still, I was sick of all the Clinton shenanigans and the thought of President Gore was? unthinkable. So, GWB became my guy.

For the first few months he was just flubbing along like most new Presidents, no great shakes, but no disasters either. He cut taxes and I like tax cuts.

Then September 11th happened. September 11th changed everything for me, like it did for so many of you. After September 11th, all the intramural idiocy of American politics stopped being funny. We had been attacked by a vicious and determined enemy and it was time for all of us to row in the same direction.

And we did for the blink of an eye. I believed the President when he said we were going to hunt down Bin Laden and all those responsible for the 9-11 murders. I believed President Bush when he said we would go after the terrorists and the nations that harbored them.

I supported the President when he sent our troops into Afghanistan, after all, that?s where the Taliban was, that?s where al-Qaida trained the killers, that?s where Bin Laden was.

And I cheered when we quickly toppled the Taliban government, but winced when we let Bin Laden escape from Tora-Bora.

Then, the talk turned to Iraq and I winced again.

I thought the connection to 9-11 was sketchy at best. But Colin Powell impressed me at the UN, and Tony Blair was in, and after all, he was a Clinton guy, not a Bush guy, so I thought the case had to be strong. I was worried though, because I had read the Wolfowitz paper, ?The Project for the New American Century.? It?s been around since ?92, and it raised alarm bells because it was based on a theory, ?Democratizing the Middle East? and I prefer pragmatism over theory. I was worried because Iraq was being justified on a radical new basis, ?pre-emptive war.? Any time we do something without historical precedent I get nervous.

But the President shifted the argument to WMDs and the urgent threat of Iraq getting atomic weapons. The debate turned to Saddam passing nukes on to terror groups. After 9-11, the risk was too great. As the President said, ?The next smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud.? At least that?s what I thought at the time.

I grew up in New York and watched them build the World Trade Center. I worked with a guy, Frank O?Brien, who put the elevators in both towers. I lost a very close friend on September 11th. 103 floor, tower one, Cantor Fitzgerald. Tim Coughlin was his name. If we had to take out Iraq to make sure something like that, or worse, never happened again, so be it. I knew the consequences. We have a soldier in our house. None of this was theoretical in my house.

But in the months and years since shock and awe I have been shocked repeatedly by a consistent litany of excuses, alibis, double-talk, inaccuracies, bogus predictions, and flat out lies. I have watched as the President and his administration changed the goals, redefined the reasons for going into Iraq, and fumbled the good will of the world and the focus necessary to catch the real killers of September 11th.

I have watched the President say the commanders on the ground will make the battlefield decisions, and the war won?t be run from Washington. Yet, politics has consistently determined what the troops can and can?t do on the ground and any commander who did not go along with the administration was sacked, and in some cases, maligned.

I watched and tried to justify the looting in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. I watched and tried to justify the dismantling of the entire Iraqi army. I tired to explain the complexities of building a functional new Iraqi army. I urged patience when no WMDs were found. Then the Vice President told us we were in the ?waning days of the insurgency.? And I started wincing again. The President says we have to stay the course but what if it?s the wrong course?

It was the wrong course. All of it was wrong. We are not on the road to victory. We?re about to slink home with our tail between our legs, leaving civil war in Iraq and a nuclear armed Iran in our wake. Bali was bombed. Madrid was bombed. London was bombed. And Bin Laden is still making tapes. It?s unspeakable. The liberal media didn?t create this reality, bad policy did.

Most historians believe it takes 30-50 years before we get a reasonably accurate take on a President?s place in history. So, maybe 50 years from now Iraq will be a peaceful member of the brotherhood of nations and George W. Bush will be celebrated as a visionary genius.

But we don?t live fifty years in the future. We live now. We have to make public policy decisions now. We have to live with the consequences of the votes we cast and the leaders we chose now.

After five years of carefully watching George W. Bush I?ve reached the conclusion he?s either grossly incompetent, or a hand puppet for a gaggle of detached theorists with their own private view of how the world works. Or both.

Presidential failures. James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Jimmy Carter, Warren Harding-? the competition is fierce for the worst of the worst. Still, the damage this President has done is enormous. It will take decades to undo, and that?s assuming we do everything right from now on. His mistakes have global implications, while the other failed Presidents mostly authored domestic embarrassments.

And speaking of domestic embarrassments, let?s talk for a minute about President Bush?s domestic record. Yes, he cut taxes. But tax cuts combined with reckless spending and borrowing is criminal mismanagement of the public?s money. We?re drunk at the mall with our great grandchildren?s credit cards. Whatever happened to the party of fiscal responsibility?

Bush created a giant new entitlement, the prescription drug plan. He lied to his own party to get it passed. He lied to the country about its true cost. It was written by and for the pharmaceutical industry. It helps nobody except the multinationals that lobbied for it. So much for smaller government. In fact, virtually every tentacle of government has grown exponentially under Bush. Unless, of course, it was an agency to look after the public interest, or environmental protection, and/or worker?s rights.

I?ve talked so often about the border issue, I won?t bore you with a rehash. It?s enough to say this President has been a catastrophe for the wages of working people; he?s debased the work ethic itself. ?Jobs Americans won?t do!? He doesn?t believe in the sovereign borders of the country he?s sworn to protect and defend. And his devotion to cheap labor for his corporate benefactors, along with his worship of multinational trade deals, makes an utter mockery of homeland security in a post 9-11 world. The President?s January 7th, 2004 speech on immigration, his first trial balloon on his guest worker scheme, was a deal breaker for me. I couldn?t and didn?t vote for him in 2004. And I?m glad I didn?t.

Katrina, Harriet Myers, The Dubai Port Deal, skyrocketing gas prices, shrinking wages for working people, staggering debt, astronomical foreign debt, outsourcing, open borders, contempt for the opinion of the American people, the war on science, media manipulation, faith based initives, a cavalier attitude toward fundamental freedoms-- this President has run the most arrogant and out-of-touch administration in my lifetime, perhaps, in any American?s lifetime.

You can make a case that Abraham Lincoln did what he had to do, the public be damned. If you roll the dice on your gut and you?re right, history remembers you well. But, when your gut led you from one business failure to another, when your gut told you to trade Sammy Sosa to the White Sox, and you use the same gut to send our sons and daughters to fight and die in a distraction from the real war on terror, then history will and should be unapologetic in its condemnation.

None of this, by the way, should be interpreted as an endorsement of the opposition party. The Democrats are equally bankrupt. This is the second crime of our age. Again, historically speaking, its times like these when America needs a vibrant opposition to check the power of a run-amuck majority party. It requires it. It doesn?t work without one. Like the high and low tides keep the oceans alive, a healthy, positive opposition offers a path back to the center where all healthy societies live.

Tragically, the Democrats have allowed crackpots, leftists and demagogic cowards to snipe from the sidelines while taking no responsibility for anything. In fairness, I don?t believe a Democrat president would have gone into Iraq. Unfortunately, I don?t know if President Gore would have gone into Afghanistan. And that?s one of the many problems with the Democrats.

The two party system has always been clumsy and imperfect, but it has only collapsed once, in the 1850s, and the result was civil war.

I believe, as I have said countless times, the two party system is on the brink of a second collapse. It?s currently running on spin, anger, revenge, and pots and pots and pots of money.

We?re being governed by paper-mache patriots; brightly painted red, white and blue, but hollow to the core. Both parties have mastered the cynical arts of media manipulation and fund raising. They?ve learned the lessons of Watergate and burn the tapes. They have learned to divide the nation for their own gain. They have demonstrated the willingness to exploit any tragedy for personal advantage. The contempt they have for the American people is without parallel.

This is painful to say, and I?m sure for many of you, painful to read. But it?s impossible to heal the country until we?re willing to acknowledge the truth no matter how painful. We have to wean ourselves off sugar coated partisan lies.

With a belated tip of the cap to Ralph Nader, the system is broken, so broken, it?s almost inevitable it pukes up the Al Gores and George W. Bushes. Where are the Trumans and the Eisenhowers? Where are the men and women of vision and accomplishment? Why do we have to settle for recycled hacks and malleable ciphers? Greatness is always rare, but is basic competence and simple honesty too much to ask?

It may be decades before we have the full picture of how paranoid and contemptuous this administration has been. And I am open to the possibility that I?m all wet about everything I?ve just said. But I?m putting it out there, because I have to call it as I see it, and this is how I see it today. I don?t say any of this lightly. I?ve thought about this for months and months. But eventually, the weight of evidence takes on a gravitational force of its own.

I believe that George W. Bush has taken us down a terrible road. I don?t believe the Democrats are offering an alternative. That means we?re on our own to save this magnificent country. The United States of America is a gift to the world, but it has been badly abused and it?s rightful owners, We the People, had better step up to the plate and reclaim it before the damage becomes irreparable.

So, accept my apology for allowing partisanship to blind me to an obvious truth; our President is incapable of the tasks he is charged with. I almost feel sorry for him. He is clearly in over his head. Yet, he doesn?t generate the sympathy Warren Harding earned. Harding, a spectacular mediocrity, had the self-knowledge to tell any and all he shouldn?t be President. George W. Bush continues to act the part, but at this point whose buying the act?

Does this make me a waffler? A flip-flopper? Maybe, although I prefer to call it realism. And, for those of you who never supported Bush, its also fair to accuse me of kicking Bush while he?s down. After all, you were kicking him while he was up.

You were right, I was wrong.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.kabc.com/mcintyre/listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning[/url]

#677648Post 2 of 22

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ugh, what a depressing read. agreed on all parts too which is what makes it even more depressing.

#677741Post 3 of 22

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finally....bush has indulged us in all the things that lack responsibility. I think it's time the American people start taking responsibility for their voting actions because there are many that just say "oh well, we'll choose the right president next time around." No one should be able to gamble with so many lives other than doctors.

#680576Post 4 of 22

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very well written letter, thats some real shit.

#680584Post 5 of 22

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[quote=Localizer]I think it's time the American people start taking responsibility for their voting actions[/quote]Be happy Mexico is next to you instead of Israel :twisted:

#680670Post 6 of 22

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[QUOTE=Jenks]agreed on all parts too which is what makes it even more depressing.[/QUOTE]

Yep. This tracks my metamorphosis from Bush voter to Bush hater about as effectively as I ever could.

#680705Post 7 of 22

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like i said. vote independent across the board. get rid of them all. fresh faces. no more cliques. fuck them all. its a sad day when you actually realize we were better off allowing bush to wrap up whatever he tried than vote that other asshole into office.

go new, go young, go common sense. no hillary, no schumer, no pataki, no mccain..

guiliani and kuch are the only two i wanna see running.

#680707Post 8 of 22

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[quote=toasty]Yep. This tracks my metamorphosis from Bush voter to Bush hater about as effectively as I ever could.[/quote]

...[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]"I think [B] --[/B] tide turning [B]--[/B] see, as I remember [B] --[/B] I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of [B] --[/B] it's easy to see a tide turn [B] --[/B] did I say those words?" [B] --George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq,[/B] Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

bumbling, inept fuckwit... [/SIZE][/FONT]

#680744Post 9 of 22

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That was depressing.

@Sightless - What party would Guiliani run under?

#680746Post 10 of 22

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He'd be a republican.

#680747Post 11 of 22

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yeah, republican, but if we could develope a COMMON SENSE party i would vote him and dennix kuchinich as the pres/ VP. they are the ONLY 2 politicians who i can actually look at and think '' hey, you know what, he is based in reality''.

#680751Post 12 of 22

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hey listen to this.

[URL="http://wfan.com/chrismikeaudio/"]http://wfan.com/chrismikeaudio/[/URL], its the 6th one down, rudy guiliani. warning. you have to listen for a bit, as this is a call in by rudy G about AROD in NYC, however, mike francesca towards the end asks a political question, nothing domestic, but asks ""what should be think about with the situation in the middle east with isrea and lebanon"". then listen to his answer. NOT ONE politican has given an answer so based in simple, common sense thinking like he does. and it made me realize that we, as citizens loyal to the US, are bound to give him a shot. like i said, a few days ago, john kerry said ''if i were president, there wouldnt be a middle eastern conflict.'' then no more than 10 mintues later, he said hamas and hezzbollah must be destroyed.'' so i ask, if you are anti war, and anti middle east conflict, then how the fuck do you intend to eradicate hamas and hezz.

#680756Post 13 of 22

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all you have to say and realize... is this.

bush got flack for getting caught saying shit. and everyone is still harping on it. bill clinton was getting blowjobs in the oval office, yet, no one seemed to care.

US based political parties should be destroyed.

#680815Post 14 of 22

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[QUOTE=thesightless]bush got flack for getting caught saying shit. and everyone is still harping on it. bill clinton was getting blowjobs in the oval office, yet, no one seemed to care. [/QUOTE]

Umm, people cared about Clinton getting a hummer enough to go through the process of [B]impeaching[/B] him.

Meanwhile, in addition to "getting caught saying shit" Bush has led us on one of the most disastrous paths this country -- and the world -- has even seen, yet he's still got his job and is still (amazingly) pushing his policies through.

In terms of not having to put up with B.S., Bush has the clear edge.

#680905Post 15 of 22

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[B] "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

[/B]The only question here is if anyone here thinks he (Bush) is holding up his oath- I think not.

#681147Post 16 of 22

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Nope, he's missing it on all counts -- he's trying to uphold the office of King, and he clearly doesn't believe that the Constitution is applicable any more...

#681160Post 17 of 22

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clinton was never going to be impeached. it was the republicans way of saying ''he is evil'', the dude, got a blowjob and no one with a semi-normal intellect gave a damn. look at his trannie husband/wife that i have to deal with in NY now.

#681172Post 18 of 22

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Clinton was, in fact, impeached. He wasn't removed from office, which is the step after impeachment, but he was impeached.

#681203Post 19 of 22

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imo that was where the downfall of us politics began...

#681314Post 20 of 22

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nah, it got rolling with nixon. once the gov't decided to out its opponents, it never stopped. they were 100% correct to do it, but it has been out of hand. every president has has a major controversy that isnt a real controversy (outside of the war, which for every geneva convention agreement we taunt for it being illegal, there is one saying it is.) . american politics are just plain broken.

#682705Post 21 of 22

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political corruption came to a climax during the civil war. Then carpetbaggers jacked this place up like no one has ever seen.

I think the article is really good, except for his understanding of Iraq. Like all media people and media consumers living in big cities, the author focuses on the micro details and not on the big picture.

After 9-11 we had to completely reevaluate our stategic contingency plans. A year after 9-11 Iraq starts f-ing around with U.N. inspectors again. Why? Saddam was either making WMD or was trying to provoke us into war. Either way we called his bluff and he got raped. Unfortunately the rest of Iraq and our own soldiers didn't fair well either.

I'm sure our strategic contingency assumed that even the most ignorant social pacifist would have sided with Bush instead of Saddam and that we would have support during the rebuilding and military campaign, unfortunately that assumption was the biggest strategic error we made. Insolence, it seems, is far wider spread than we believed, particularly in Europe and in the American press. Anyone who attempts to stop a war by victimizing a brutal dictator and villifying a relatively upstanding man (because he is a slackjawed Texan) isn't worth the Charmin they wipe their ass with.

The Bush cabinet's failure to neutralize such boundless irrationality is its great downfall. Clinton knew how to manipulate the Europeans and the media clowns, Bush doesn't bother with such endeavors, and we're paying for it.

#682714Post 22 of 22

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"our President is incapable of the tasks he is charged with. I almost feel sorry for him. He is clearly in over his head"

from day one.

and the bit about politics being driven by pots and pots and pots of money - aint dat the truth!

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