[QUOTE]The US justice department has released the first video of the plane crashing into the Pentagon on 11 September 2001.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4987716.stm[/url]

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have you seen the video? you cant see a plane? they say you can see the nose and a blur, but seeing the quality of the images, that could have been insterted very easily, seeing how long they took to release the video.

and there were only 2 shitty cameras for that area of the pentagon? so no, my theories have not been burried. i have not seen a picture of the damn plane, all ive seen is the opposite. cmon they have 50 videos, but there is a reason they are not releasing them, and i cant think of one good enough.

btw, this was done by a jumbo-jet? fuckall [IMG]http://pics.soohrt.org/911/pentagon4-big_3000x1955.jpg[/IMG]

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where is the plane in that video??

Why did it take 5 years to come out?

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It's a low res time delay security camera, not likely to capture a jetliner going 400mph a few feet off the ground in high definition so everyone can read the lettering and see people waving from the windows.

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it's a security cam ... this is not high dev. so yes it's going to look like a blur in the video.

time ... well it is the government ... it does not take 5 years to render a blur in a video. there is probably some bullshit bureaucratic paper pushing process that had to go through before this video could be released. that is my final answer.

how about all the people that watched the airplace slam into the Pentagon? O, wait ... let me guess they were bought out to say that. Proof is in the pudding fellas, better luck next time. ;)

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On CNN last night the reporter who was at the scene immediately after the crash was on showing his pictures. He stated how so many of the conspiracy theorists out there took his original broadcast on cnn from the field and took it out of context. When he said, "It doesn't even appear a plane crashed..." and they cut it off there...but he went on to say, "...anywhere except the huge hole in the side of the pentagon, there is almost no debris scattered elsewhere, except a few bits of fuseloge here and there." They replayed his original broadcast, and it's all there, but of course, the conspiracy fuckwits just cut what they need to fuel their lame ideas.

He went on to show his interviews with witnesses, who actually SAW the plane come in at an extremely low altitude and hit the building. CNN showed pictures of a piece of fuseloge, with the red white and blue AA stripe on it. The light poles in the parking lot are clipped because the plane came in so low. And the number of poles wide that are clipped, measure about, oh say...the size of a jetliner.

All the conspiracy theories about the pentagon are stupid. Go ask the family members who have dead husbands, wives, children who were on that flight what they think about these theories.

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Not to mention, the Pentagon is a military target, a military institution, and was built to withstand attacks, hence the lack of mega damage.

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what about people like me who were standing on the streets on new york that morning only to watch two planes fly over our heads...... was the entire population of people who work and live in lower manhatten given the same acid in our sleep the night before?

asdf, just stop arguing with these people. not worth it. really isnt. according to them, all of us NY ppl saw the same imaginary object and furthermore, the government instantly read all our minds and photoshopped the second WTC plane onto live TV.

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[quote=asdf_admin]it's a security cam ... this is not high dev. so yes it's going to look like a blur in the video.

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two minutes late on that post dom. ;)

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time ... well it is the government ... it does not take 5 years to render a blur in a video. there is probably some bullshit bureaucratic paper pushing process that had to go through before this video could be released. that is my final answer.[/quote]

Everyone is asking, "Why did this take so long to get out?" HELLO!! THIS IS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION! Since when do they tell us shit?

[quote] how about all the people that watched the airplace slam into the Pentagon? O, wait ... let me guess they were bought out to say that. Proof is in the pudding fellas, better luck next time. ;)[/quote]

Exactly. Tons of eye witnesses, but all of the sudden, those don't matter. :roll:

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you know who really pissed me off?> that cunt eye-p who engrossed us with the PNAC theory that dick cheney was responsible and directly and actively oversaw the attacks.

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[quote=thesightless] asdf, just stop arguing with these people. not worth it. really isnt. according to them, all of us NY ppl saw the same imaginary object and furthermore, the government instantly read all our minds and photoshopped the second WTC plane onto live TV.[/quote] Seriously. Fuckwit conspiracy theorists.

I'll listen to an argument that the govt knew about this, or that they might have been able to stop 9/11, but the fact that 4 planes were hijacked and crashed into a field, the twin towers, and the pentagon- is not up for discussion imo. Too many people dead, too many people SAW it all happen live with their own eyes, in person, not on tv. How can anyone refute that?

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very true Jenks. The Pentagon is a fortified fort. I remember watching some program how the concrete is yay thick and the windows are yay strong. This is not a mum and pa building ... this is the central point for all political military strength. well there is always NORAD, but that is when the shit hits the fan.

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[QUOTE]two minutes late on that post dom. [/QUOTE]

great minds think alike. just mine is not turbo-charged. ;)

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hey i'm not saying that this was a conspiracy but there are some questions that need answering that's all..

Jeff King- all I have to say..

oh ya this doesn't explain why they "pulled" building 7..

also I am sick of people throwing out the "go ask the dead people's family" shit.. That's not fair because we are trying to figure out what happened. It's like asking the wife questions after her husband has been murdered..

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I don't think there are any questions that need answering regarding the actual event. Why it happened, yes, tons of questions that need answering.

And again, the media and conspiracy tits can ask all day long, it's the Bush administration, you're going to get a "go fuck yourself" answer- which, in this case, i kind of admire.

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[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4990686.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4990686.stm[/URL]

great article.

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All I have to say is, wow. Pretty amazing that a guy who had never flown a jetliner could bring a plane in at 500mph a few feet off the ground flying 100% horizontal into a low building. Ask any pilot how nearly impossible that is.

Not saying it's a conspiracy. Just saying that the odds are about 1% from that angle. From a steeper angle, say 30%, it would be relatively easy task I would think...

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good quotes

[QUOTE] The theorists do not believe eyewitnesses, physical evidence, engineering studies or even the claims of Osama Bin Laden, so it is unlikely that they will be convinced by grainy video frames. [/QUOTE] this one is great, especially the last one, ""you were confused"" [QUOTE]

To understand the conspiracy theory, it is worth considering a film called "Loose Change: 2nd edition". Available on the internet, it reveals the full alternative version of what happened to the Pentagon in all its glory. It states: [LIST][/LIST] AA 77 did not crash into the building. And if there was no AA 77, it must have been a missile, a military aircraft or a drone that did it. The alleged pilot Hani Hanjour was not skilled enough to execute the manoeuvre and the plane would have stalled in the tight turn alleged. Street lights were knocked down but did not bring down the plane; therefore there was no plane. They could have been deliberately lifted from the ground.

The damage was not consistent with the size of the airliner and therefore there was no airliner. There were no remains of either the 757 or passengers and therefore neither existed. Pieces of fuselage found nearby were planted. Eyewitnesses who said they saw the plane were confused. Others said they saw a commuter jet or a helicopter. [/QUOTE]

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great article.[/quote]

let the propaganda machine keep on churning.. of course their gonna say that.. Wow they even mentioned loosechange they must feel threatened by it..

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Runningman, tell me, how can anyone refute an eye witness?

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easy but you won't like the answer so I won't tell you..

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Fair enough.

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the hardcore conspiracy theorists will ignore and rationale, ignore any witnesses as they have to the few thousand NY'ers who watched it happen,, and they will look for an iota of material to exppose and blow up. like the guys who claim cheney was doing it because he was on military excercises that morning. or the guys who say it was done to attack iraq.

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I just don't understand why some people won't look at the facts:

Jeff King MIT Physics PHD & Electrical Engineer says the way the buildings collapsed is impossible without explosives inside. Now why would a guy who could lose everything for speaking against 9/11 speak out? This guy is from MIT guys.. you need perfect on your SAT's to get in there. So this isn't any idiot.

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but the people who designed, built and maintained the building say the opposite of him,. how did he get access to the blueprints like they did?

either way there will always be people who looking for a reason. i try to ignore them especially the crazy ones.

that gy ignores the fact that the building was built uniquly with the floors resting on the trusses.

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[QUOTE]MIT Physics PHD & Electrical Engineer[/QUOTE]

People from MIT are not even close to fucking normal. Their brains run from the top of their heads to the bottom of the necks. You know how many fucking wackos are "intelligent" ... ahem uni-bomber. Just because you have a PHD_MA_BS_AA does not mean I will call you doctor nor have you operate on me.

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the guy who built the towers dies in 9/11. De martini. He designed it. The 9/11 report doesn't even talk about the 47 steel supports in the center of the building.. Why??

I used to never believe any of the conspiracy theorists claims but if you look deep into what happened that day (like the cleveland airport evacuation) it doesn't add up.. I'm with the MIT guy he is smarter then any of the people who wrote the 9/11 report. Its that simple.

oh please you are gonna compare him to the Uni-Bomber? Come on. UniBomber went to Berkley not MIT.

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no sir ... that is not what i said. intelligent people come in all shapes and sizes ... and also in craz'ies. ;)

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He's NOT smarter than the human eye, which witnessed a plane fly into the pentagon. Seiously man, i've been to the pentagon, there are hundreds of people walking outside of that complex, in and out of it, the lawn, parking lot...it wasn't a ghost town when the plane hit, a LOT of people saw it. Now it's a missle or something?

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Where is fucking Mulder and Scully when you need them ...

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there are also eye-witnesses who said they didnt see a plane. im not contesting the wtc towers, but goddamn, there are no pictures of the plane hitting the pentagon, no pictures of the plane's fuselage?

sean, no one said anything about the nyc towers, at least not me... the other 2 planes, diff story

I don't believe I have ever seen a crash of an aircraft that was not investigated by the NTSB without reassembly taking place,even when they have to retrieve parts from deep in the ocean. Nothing from flight 93, or the pentagon! The key to the Pentagon is in the wreckage. The commercial airliner parts found aren't from a 757. Diffuser case, wheel strut assembly, fan-hubs and the like are from a smaller plane.

My point is that I have yet to see anything showing that the pentagon was hit by anything like a 757. Oh, you say, the pentagon is a very sturdy structure, designed to resist impact? No shit, but if it was that strong you would see some wreckage somewhere? Again, I have yet to see anything like that.

Oh and about the video, you really believe those are the only 2 angles they had? Its the motherfuckin pentagon!

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hitler, a fucking genious when you think about it. crazy and evil as shit, but the guy hid the murder of thousands of jews for years and nearly took over europe.

and demartini didnt design the buildings. he helped over see the repaird though. it was an oriental guy who designed them (i forget his nae gimme a minute) ACTUALLY NVM, i took that book home, im at work. but it is in that thread where i went off with the design flaws and daveman came in with his work in engineering.

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[QUOTE]there are also eye-witnesses who said they didnt see a plane. im not contesting the wtc towers, but goddamn, there are no pictures of the plane hitting, no pictures of the plane's fuselage?

I don't believe I have ever seen a crash of an aircraft that was not investigated by the NTSB without reassembly taking place,even when they have to retrieve parts from deep in the ocean. Nothing from flight 93, or the pentagon! The key to the Pentagon is in the wreckage. The commercial airliner parts found aren't from a 757. Diffuser case, wheel strut assembly, fan-hubs and the like are from a smaller plane.

My point is that I have yet to see anything showing that the pentagon was hit by anything like a 757. Oh, you say, the pentagon is a very sturdy structure, designed to resist impact? No shit, but if it was that strong you would see some wreckage somewhere? Again, I have yet to see anything like that.

Oh and about the video, you really believe those are the only 2 angles they had? Its the motherfuckin pentagon![/QUOTE]

this was not a crash ... all pilots try to "save" the plane. this was a fucking human missle with a target.

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How many people saw it?? Where is the investigation that would tell you who saw it. When there is something like this done don't you think you would have pages of people names with testimonies of what they saw. I mean like thousands of testimonials. Where is the investigation? Why only $600,000 put into it.. No Jeff King isn't the Wacko if you don't believe him you are the wacko..

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haha. i love personal attacks. is my mother next?

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different sides of the mirror looking at the same point. personally i dont care about MIT or not, i know a few harvard business grads who are dumb as fuck. ill stick to the ppl who built the thing.

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the people who built it say it couldn't have fallen.. so welcome to our side..

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actually no, they said the conditions were perfectly capable of it falling.

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this is the pentagon thread runningman, take that beef to the twin towers conspiracy thread. :