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[quote=Xessex]the world has no gods

when will people learn to accept that :([/quote]

I meant the movie you dimwit:roll:

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i knew you ment that but decide to do something else with your statement :P

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[quote=Xessex]i knew you ment that but decide to do something else with your statement :P[/quote]

You're not the Decider, fool

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this thread has now officially turned into "make lame and semi-funny jokes about Africa". Hell, let's go at it :D

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^^^ LoL

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[quote=KinKyJ]You're not the Decider, fool

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on lets say a very very bad day i decide about this fuckers life

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what are the chances of you voluntarily reducing the size of your signature kinkyj?

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Like so?

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haha. what...did you shrink it 1mm?

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[quote=Jenks]haha. what...did you shrink it 1mm?[/quote]

I reduced it from 130px to 90px (high) :roll:

Be happy that it wasn't a billboard like what FM has in his sig :p

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The companies in Bolivia where paying less than a buck for every barrel of oil. They where paying one of the lowest taxes in the world, and the were not respecting the evironmental regulations. I think its good he took the companies from their hands, who knows how many billions of dollars the companies have made, while the Bolivians are still poor. Money for the people!!! Not for a single person.

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ok, gimme YOUR money then.

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[quote=KinKyJ]I reduced it from 130px to 90px (high) :roll:

Be happy that it wasn't a billboard like what FM has in his sig :p[/quote]

I like my sig's big what can I say?

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[quote=thesightless]ok, gimme YOUR money then.[/quote]

So if companies are getting millions of dollars per day for the national resources of your country and they are investing all htat money on OTHER countries, you dont do squat? You just stay with your armds crossed and blink like Bush jr? Thats sad.

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Agree Junkie...unbelieveable how it still happens that with all this goddamn Western talk about the benefits of capitalism and democracy it's the biggest providers of our much needed natural resources that are still so fucking underdeveloped. Doesn't anyone see the hypocisy in that?

Capitalism is extractive and exclusive. Once it got established as the core system in the West, it could not allow rivals to arise. It won't do that now, but still we tell non-western countries the lie of development through participation in the capitalist system. I'm not against capitalism per sé or globalization, but totally against the hypocrism that is being displayed by Europe and the US.

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[quote=Junkie]So if companies are getting millions of dollars per day for the national resources of your country and they are investing all htat money on OTHER countries, you dont do squat? You just stay with your armds crossed and blink like Bush jr? Thats sad.[/quote]

Yep it's sad that companies create employment.

Yep it's sad that companies and not politicians make enviromental laws :roll:

Yep it's sad that companies and not politicians make tax laws :roll:

Yep it's sad that commie cunts like you bite the hand which is feeding you.

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umm look around and see reality bucko. the US economy is funding so may coutries with money, china, japan, mexico, panama, salvador etc. out buying power sends more money thier way than into our own hands. and in regards to you putting bush in the position of sitting on his hands.... do some research and see that it was the democrats who 1. voted for NAFTA. 2. voted for most favored trading status with china and japan. 3. voted to allow the workers unions more power in contract negotiation all of which sent about 35 million jobs to south america and asia.

and frankly if it werent for those companies going there in the first place the industry wouldnt have given thousands of jobs to bolivian nationals, japanese manufacturing workers, and more... dont blame the US/brazilian/spanish comapanies for ""taking resources"" blame the fucking governments for allwing these companies to pay people shite wages and abuse labor laws....

im guessing you voted for kerry, did you realize that over 70% of heinz products are processed outside the US, and most of thier farms are on foreign soil... pot kettle black.

trust me im not a big bush fan, but look at reality and ALL the factors behind it. he is bad, but right now, the current economic problems are hardly his fault, if anything the one good thing he did was get teh US economy back on track. you people think the world went to shit the day he was elected, but it was going downhill before he got here and it will get worse when he leaves.

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hey we could have had him. [URL="http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/indecisive.jpg"][IMG]http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/indecisive.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

god bless the idiots on the far right and left. giving cannon fodder for people who can see both sides.

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Bolivia is getting enough from Cocaine,i think all the investors and the government will take the right choice in that situation ;)

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simply put, left wing social policy works extremely well, but their economic and criminal policies dont. there is a balance somewhere, maybe one day we will find it.

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[quote=thesightless] there is a balance somewhere, maybe one day we will find it.[/quote]

hell yeah.

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??????

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[quote=thesightless] you people think the world went to shit the day he was elected, but it was going downhill before he got here and it will get worse when he leaves.[/quote]

I hope so, i would love to see some shifting powers over the world, and me with my future job can benefit from that. Besides the US has little old history anywayzs and sure dont like the way their cities are build (same for Canada). So quite frankly i find that the US has little charms culturally spoken (with the excepetion of a few natural eyecatcher). I wouldn't mind that part of the world getting poor and not being able to maintain property...would even make the american cities somewhat interesting. But what i'm saying now could count in lesser amount too for my own country...most is ugly in new state in Holland as well. Would be fun if the whole economy collapse down here too...

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what the fuck is wrong with you? are you an anarchist? why would you want another depression? it wil only lead to another massive war as every depression in the last 400 years has. if anything, wish sucess on worldwide businesses so they can expand into poor nations and at least fund a payroll in some towns as to at least plant some money into a ghetto so they can spend it and start an economic foundation. if someone opened up a factory in sudan whereas they employed a few hundred people at a fair wage then those few hundred people could spend money in a local market thereby allowing more people to spend...

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On a related note though: the US economy is floating on the oil dollar - the moment it is let go and changed for the euro, the US economy will collapse. It has already been described as the biggest bubble in the planet, and economists are actually proposing to let the economy 'cool down', something like a controlled recession as far as I can judge.

Not being an asshole here, this is not my opinion. I'm really interested to see future developments regarding this though. What do you think about this, Sean?

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not a controlled recession, we dont need that, but the US and the EU need to get together and go to OPEC and pass laws to limit how much the companies under each respective jursidiction can pay for oil before taking a tax hit... the middle east is bitch, they know they have us under the knife and frankly, they would rather we become a sharia state before they help us.

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Doesn't that sound pretty unrealistic? You can't go round and tell others what to do with their resources, you can ask if you have something to offer in return.

OPEC has control of most of today's oil reserves, and for us (the biggest consumers) that just blows goats. Especially with #3 oil guzzler China now emerging and being real good friends or at least aligned with many of the OPEC countries. So we better get our hands on something that will outlast oil, or develop our own resources - in that case I believe there is still a huge reserve of that tar-sand somewhere in alaska, but it will mean the destruction of a really big natural reserve. The US and Europe are having a big mouth, but in the end they control jack shit, and our own capitalist ideology could turn against us.

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not neccessarily, it is perfectly conceivable that a government can intervene to set a standard for a utility(oil is a utility in the end) to avoid price gouging. in terms of things backfiring.. well i dont know, they hold the oil , but the big 3 (US china india) have a ton to say when it comes to the money that is being put forth to pay for this oil. add in the EU, but the big 3 have so much developing makets from thier domestic businesses its silly. when the money gets cut off it will literally take days for the OPEC countries to say ""OKOK, we will cut prices."" when you suddenly face a cutoff of funding in the amounts of the hundreds of millions dollars a day, your companies will do what it takes. just look at the US auto industry, if you factor in inflation, car prices have percetage wise decreased dramiatically in the matter of two years since the world stopped buying thier products. go figure.

in the end i would say just cut the shit and apply a ton of economic pressure if you have to. raise the prices of every good coming from EU, US and east asia that go into the middle east and eventually you can force a hand when it comes to food vs oil money.. they will take the food and give up some profits.

granteed i speak off the cuff and im not digging up the figures at the moment, but hit me up in email and ill find ya some stuff yao. its surprising, because if it really came down to it like it did in the 70's, we could force a massive drought of goods going there and let them try to survive, and from all figure i have read, if every manufacturuer decided to boycott oil for one single day, it would knock back the OPEC based companies nearly 60% and furthermore cut funding to the governments drastically. goes to show how little leeway there is.

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Will do mate, have a paper to write now, but i'm very interested so expect an email soon ;)

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[quote=thesightless]what the fuck is wrong with you? are you an anarchist? [/quote]

Nope i just know i can live under all sorts of situations on the world and don't neccessarily need to cling on to the so-called wealth we have in the western world. I love see things changing fastly from both good to ugly as from ugly to good.

I wanna witness changes, many aspects of life and with what i'm going to do prolly in the future i could in a way benefit from it as well. Besides i cosndier myself a world civilian so don't have that much in common with boundaries of countries. I'm not an patriot in any sense.

Personally i think i would feel best under more stressing, worse situations as that would bring up my will to live whereas at the place i'm right now i have little challenges.

I hope you could follow this thought pattern....

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I do....

Some people are just too afraid to experience the world (NOT referring to you here Sean), and want to stay in their safe haven and live it out. That's fine, but not for me: I'd rather see a lot, experience more, have an exciting life and die young. At least I've maxxed out my life in that case instead of just letting it slowly dim until I'm 90 or something. I've done a little bit of Journalism studies as well here btw, maybe that is what drives us ;) - the need to see, hear and experience events, not just hear about them.

What also strikes me is that the culture in Europe, and also the Netherlands is one of much more openness towards the surroundings. Not that every Dutchman is a cosmopolitan thinker, but I know a lot of people that just rather go out and travel than settle down - heck, literally all of my best friends are seasoned travellers by now, at one point you got me in Africa, one in Asia, a few in Puerto Rico, one in Cuba...that was fun communicating. I consider myself a global citizen as well...this planet is one big fuckin' playground, it just has neighbourhoods where you don't wanna go ;)

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werd, u go to PR every summer for two weeks, have been to peru, argentina, and india. yet to hit europe though. and frankly the middle east is about appealing as someone putting a pen in my pee hole.

i never want to see things get ugly. i would rather see everything go to good, but a dream is a dream i guess.no point in seeing things de stabilize. but if you act in force to make things better you become the agressor. think what would happen if UK and US suddenly pulled out of iraq and went into darfur to control the humanitarian effort and hunt down the militias there.... after all the crying about darfur, we would be the bad guys. but when we stay away, we are still the bad guys because we arent sending in tons of food, contruction workers and healthcare at our expense

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Agree with that, whatever you, it's just never the right thing - but I guess that is also why many would like for the US to take a more conservative approach when it comes to interventions and would like it to be more reluctant to show force.

But really, if you've been to all the countries you named, you at least gotten a taste of what the world has to offer. I know a good deal of people who've done a lot of travelling though, but all they can do after they return home is bitch about everything outside and proclaim their undying love for their own little bubble called their country, house, garden....they clearly just as well should stay inside instead of polluting the outside world with their appearance ;)

Got word from my mate Ghana, he told me to bring some money to buy Akpeteshie (locally brewed spirit) :mrgreen: Already looking forward to getting completely shitfaced in the jungle this summer!!!

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The reason also why africa is often left alone is of its history with Mao and all the connections between China and many African countries. I can mention Kenia for distributing Chinese clothes to the US as Kenia could export to the US without getting taxed any extras. Dunno if that still happens, but did happen in the past. And also Sudan has many contracts with China for its oil.

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africa simply doesnt have a single thing to offer the leading world outside of guilt. seriously, the reason they are ignored is because the US and EU already have a military alliance there, and economically, africa has zero to persuade leaderships with. its just a sad truth when some of the more wealthy people and companies earn more money in a year then your GDP.

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[quote=Yao]

maybe that is what drives us ;) - the need to see, hear and experience events, not just hear about them. [/quote]

Couldn't agree with you more. I just the need to experience and if possible on the widest thinkable scale.

[quote=Yao] heck, literally all of my best friends are seasoned travellers by now, at one point you got me in Africa, one in Asia, a few in Puerto Rico, one in Cuba...that was fun communicating. I consider myself a global citizen as well...this planet is one big fuckin' playground, it just has neighbourhoods where you don't wanna go ;)[/quote]

I'll most likely wont be in Europe any longer within a few years. Maybe if i'm tired with all the shit all over the world or just fed up with travelling all the time i might head back to Spain or Italy. But i dont think i would ever go back to Holland.

But about those places you don't want to go to. Well i'm the kind of guy who you can find on such places in the future, probably. I'm much looking forward to travel through 'dangerous' zones. :D

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lol, same here man....i still have this wish to do in-depth research to mercenary armies and their possible uses, and arms trade. Won't be the safest road to walk, but definitely an interesting one. Right now those plans are on hold, but they will never go out of my mind.

We should hook up sometime soon and talk a bit, so far I think you are a guy after my own heart dude.

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[QUOTE=thesightless]africa simply doesnt have a single thing to offer the leading world outside of guilt. seriously, the reason they are ignored is because the US and EU already have a military alliance there, and economically, africa has zero to persuade leaderships with. its just a sad truth when some of the more wealthy people and companies earn more money in a year then your GDP.[/QUOTE]

Africa has everything to offer bro, provided there would finally be a steady shift towards development-orientated leadership out there. If Africa had fuckall to offer, it wouldn't have had to be colonized in the first place, but it was. And not just for fun, it was all about the resources - the whole western economy was built on the extraction of resources from the continent, including labour (slaves). Without the Coltan found in the Congo, you wouldn't have cell phones in the first place either.

For economic stability though, there must be a stable investment environment: that is what Africa must focus on if it wants to make economic progress. But do not be mistaken Sean, Africa as well as South America are still feeding our economies with their raw materials. I'm not saying you should feel all sorry for them, but I do expect a bit more realistic view on things from you. You don't have to be a treehugger to acknowledge what is going on mate ;)

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[quote=Yao]lol, same here man....i still have this wish to do in-depth research to mercenary armies and their possible uses, and arms trade. Won't be the safest road to walk, but definitely an interesting one. Right now those plans are on hold, but they will never go out of my mind.

We should hook up sometime soon and talk a bit, so far I think you are a guy after my own heart dude.[/quote]

Wel coming week i dun have much in my programm, rather schoolless week :D....

so we could meet.

srry fr not sending you that promised pic yet :)

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maybe after wednesday then, since i'll be pretty effin' busy the coming days (and Diggers on wednesday is gonna be the highlight for me)...unless you wanna join me to Diggers in The Hague, lol.

Hit me up on my email (blowkick@gmail.com) and we might be able to agree on something. A nice blonde beer on a Breda or Tilburg terrace sounds really really REALLY good too actually...