Are there any out there that will run for President? I think both Kerry and Bush both suck.

Kerry is a flip flopping Northeast liberal married to some rich bitch. We have no idea what he stands for because he votes differently than his so called values.

Bush is a TX good ol'boy that really doesn't appear to have a clue what's going on. Seems like he spends more time in Crawford than he does in DC. And he's pissed off the entire rest of the world in less than 1 term.

I think they should put a spot on the ballot that says "None of the Above, give me new candidates". Like the 80s movies Richard Pryor in Brewster's millions.

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i agree completely. but you know what, fuck the rest of the world, we had to make sure we were safe, so i am all for the war, hell i tried to re-enlist with the rangers to go over to iraq, but i cant b/c of my wound.

PS i say we just finish the job and go into iran and north korea. just end the fucking shit all at once, :Bingo:

All the 'good leaders' are smart enough not to get into politics. After all 400K a year when you could be making millions as the head of a large corporation? You do the math. :shock:

there aren't any good leaders in politics...

because to be in politics you have to be a shit eating liar, smile, and do what special interest tells you to do.

the good people are the simpletons.

i honestly think it's impossible to get to the top of the political spectrum without stepping on someone along the way.

sad isn't it.

Hey, HDTV! :P

[quote=Jenks]there aren't any good leaders in politics...

because to be in politics you have to be a shit eating liar, smile, and do what special interest tells you to do.

the good people are the simpletons.

i honestly think it's impossible to get to the top of the political spectrum without stepping on someone along the way.

sad isn't it.

Hey, HDTV! :P[/quote]

I thought Mandela was a good leader in politics.

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I don't recall Mandela being American

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Not that he has a snowball's chance in hell but this is who I voted for last time.. and he makes a TON of sense.

[url=http://www.votenader.org/]http://www.votenader.org/[/url]

^^^^^

:CrackUp: :CrackUp:

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superdave:[quote][/quote]I think they should put a spot on the ballot that says "None of the Above, give me new candidates". Like the 80s movies Richard Pryor in Brewster's millions.

exactly what i have been saying for a while now. glad i am not the only one who has thought this should be an option.

[quote=Jenks]there aren't any good leaders in politics...

because to be in politics you have to be a shit eating liar, smile, and do what special interest tells you to do.

the good people are the simpletons.

i honestly think it's impossible to get to the top of the political spectrum without stepping on someone along the way.

sad isn't it.

Hey, HDTV! :P[/quote]

Yeah, the people that would be truly great leaders are smart enough to stay the hell away from politics...

nader hasnt got a chance.. he should know that by now

if i had to, id go with kerry (lesser of two evils imo)

but i agree with jenks, is it possible to take such a position of power without fucking someone over along the way? :roll:

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nader was on bill maher's hbo show last week. maher and michael moore both pleaded literally on their knees to nader to not run for president and come back to the democratic party.

nader implied on the maher show that kerry was the lesser of two evils. that said, maher and moore want him not to run because he takes votes away from democrats and actually helps the republicans and bush.

[quote=Jenks]there aren't any good leaders in politics...

because to be in politics you have to be a shit eating liar, smile, and do what special interest tells you to do.

the good people are the simpletons.

i honestly think it's impossible to get to the top of the political spectrum without stepping on someone along the way.

sad isn't it.

Hey, HDTV! :P[/quote]

Jenks I agree. Politicians are some corrupt know a days there is no such thing as good politician.

i wish digweed were president. but would he tour as much? :?

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... I want Bill Cosby. :Rolling: :Bingo:

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[quote=thesightless]i agree completely. but you know what, fuck the rest of the world, we had to make sure we were safe, so i am all for the war, hell i tried to re-enlist with the rangers to go over to iraq, but i cant b/c of my wound.

PS i say we just finish the job and go into iran and north korea. just end the fucking shit all at once, :Bingo:[/quote]

that is the most ridiculous thing i've heard all day. north korea is a heavily armed nuclear power, and from what the world has seen of america in iraq, nobody in their right mind is going to let America fuck around any more. not even the american people themselves, hopefully.

i'd like to see them find wmd in iraq in the first place, then talk about other countries.

oh, and i'd also like to see them rebuild iraq and fix up what the fucked up in afghanistan as well.

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[quote=superdave]that said, maher and moore want him not to run because [size=7][b]he (Nader) takes votes away from democrats and actually helps the republicans and bush[/b][/size].[/quote]

There you go! Sometimes I think he even gets paid, or helped anyhow, to run for office.

Just remember good old Ross Perot's days, when he would take votes away from George H.W. Bush, oh those were the days. He needs to come BACK.

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[quote=ixai][quote=superdave]that said, maher and moore want him not to run because [size=7][b]he (Nader) takes votes away from democrats and actually helps the republicans and bush[/b][/size].[/quote]

There you go! Sometimes I think he even gets paid, or helped anyhow, to run for office.

Just remember good old Ross Perot's days, when he would take votes away from George H.W. Bush, oh those were the days. He needs to come BACK.[/quote]

You know, that is the conventional wisdom (that Nader takes votes from Bush), but the numbers this year don't support that as strongly as you might think. The poll numbers are all over the place. When Nader is added to the mix, both candidates lose roughly the same number of votes in most polls I've seen. In some polls, Kerry loses more ground, as one would think, but Bush actually loses more ground in other polls. Weird.

My feeling is that Nader won't actually play as much of a spoiler role in this year's election. Many voters view this as "the most important election of their lifetime," too important to waste what is essentially a protest vote for Nader.

With that said, I still wrote him asking him to please drop out of the race. :Smiling:

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toasty mentioned something that i keep hearing frequently which is that this is the most important election in years or your lifetime. i don't see how this is any more important than others. imo, they are all important.

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[quote=superdave]toasty mentioned something that i keep hearing frequently which is that this is the most important election in years or your lifetime. i don't see how this is any more important than others. imo, they are all important.[/quote]

I would agree that they are all important, but the perception of a lot of people is that, generally speaking, the identity of the president doesn't have the a huge impact upon the day to day lives of the people in this country. I think the unprecedented threat of terrorism this election cycle gives it a heightened air of importance (although I personally think that we will continue to have to deal with that no matter what, and that whomever is commander-in-chief will do what needs to be done to protect the country -- for example, Bush & Kerry's positions on this are not wildly different) and change that to some extent.

Bush has also done a good job of taking extreme positions over the last 3 years that alienate certain groups. If you're a member of one of those groups, the election probably takes on heightened significance. When I look back at some of the positions Bush has taken in the past, it blows me away to think what we might be in for in the next four years, when reelection is not an issue.

Also, many people believe that the country is on the wrong track, and dangerously so. Our stature in the eyes of the world is at a low point, and Bush hasn't demonstrated any desire or plan to change that. Will we continue to alienate ourselves from the rest of the world?

Lastly, and I think I mentioned this in another post at one time, the war in Iraq has been a complete clusterfuck. It is clear that we went in there with bad intelligence, intelligence that I personally believe was at least subconsciously skewed to support going into Iraq, which we all know Bush wanted to do at some point during his presidency. Although many people would probably agree that the world is a better place without Saddam and that going in there just for the sake of getting him out was probably justified, there is a lingering concern about how we got over there. When is Bush going to get a wild hair up his ass about something that people disagree with?