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why isnt this sh*t being talked about

26 durable postsStarted 2006-02-17Latest 2006-02-21
#24157Post 1 of 26

its already late, but COMON. even if half this shit is right, and it is coming directly from the horse's mouth, then the administration was right the whole time and cliton blew it big time.

[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4719568.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4719568.stm[/URL]

and that to the the Sadr tapes where the two generals admit to flying the WMD's and chemical weapons out of iraq.

why the fuck isnt the media focusing on this rather than why dick cheney and the local cops waited 18 hours to report an accidental shooting.

this is so much more important, and the typical US citizen deserves and needs to read/hear this. fuck. the BBC has covered all these facts that have came out in the last 2 months better than any US based agancy, and its the US who is directly involved.

pass this article along.

#567729Post 2 of 26

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It' about the politics and how the republicans in the us can make themselves seem beter than what they are! Divert attention from the war or excuse me, the occupation, of Iraq. Americans are so close minded its disgusting. The government says we have to worry about terrorist so we have to tap your phones; which by the way is an invasion of privacy, but its ok because its for the country.......BullShizzle!!!! We need to stop making up stuff to worry about and control and focus on some real issues like Health Care, Social Security, THE TRADE DEFICIT, alternate fuel sources, (there is on about a 10 year supply of fossil fuels left and the governments of the world know it so thats why they want to control it) and things like that! This country is being ran by corruption.....Sometimes I am ashamed to be an American! That's the beauty of music......People don't care where its from, its just an expression of a feeling or emotion! Those are my thoughts.

#567770Post 3 of 26

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[quote=thesightless]

why the fuck isnt the media focusing on this rather than why dick cheney and the local cops waited 18 hours to report an accidental shooting.

this is so much more important, and the typical US citizen deserves and needs to read/hear this. fuck. the BBC has covered all these facts that have came out in the last 2 months better than any US based agancy, and its the US who is directly involved.

pass this article along.[/quote]

Simple really, the liberal media can't now focus on the fact that possibly, just possibly, Bush and Co knew what they were doing when they planned the liberation of Iraq. :roll:

#567773Post 4 of 26

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tv is run by the democrats.. radio is republican.. That is why they will always try to knock as they call him "Mr. Bush" instead of "president Bush" as they do when a democrat is in office..

#567794Post 5 of 26

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Please, not the liberal media conspriacy again. Put away the tinfoil hats.

#567796Post 6 of 26

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Oh come on. Is this the same liberal media that basically ignored the Downing Street Memo? The same liberal media that beat the swiftboat ads into the ground for three weeks straight during election season? The same liberal media that has dispensed with investigative journalism in favor of simply repeating, without question or analysis, the talking points of the RNC and DNC?

Just because Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilley constantly complain about the "liberal media" doesn't make it so. Clinton was raked over the coals on a daily basis for a fucking blowjob, while Bush gets away with murder for most of his presidency, completely unchecked, because he's threatened to deny access to any media outlet that criticizes the administration. It's such horseshit.

Let's take a look at CNN, who is frequently accused of being one of the more liberal networks. Their previous morning anchor, Bill Hemmer, left to join Fox News. Of their two current morning anchors, Soledad O'Brien identified the Drudge Report as her favorite website, and Miles O'Brien has never met a Republican talking point he didn't want to make sweet love to. Lemme see, who else do we have? Wolf Blitzer, who seems to be on 25 hours a day? Yeah, he's a lib... :roll: Hell, one of their anchors -- Daryn Kagen -- was dating Rush Limbaugh, for fuck's sake. And these folks are the [B]liberals[/B]?

If the media is indeed "liberal," then perhaps it should start fucking acting like it and do something other than just parroting back whatever Bush and his buddies think is newsworthy each day. I'm not saying that the media is conservative, but the suggestion that it is a big liberal conspiracy is just so ridiculous.

We've had the liberal/not-liberal media debate on this board I don't know how many times, and my intention is not to start it back up. It's such a hackneyed cry, though, that complaining about the liberal media is equivalent to saying, "I don't have a substantive comment, so I'll just refer back to my universal scapegoat."

#567801Post 7 of 26

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[quote=Kobe]Please, not the liberal media conspriacy again. Put away the tinfoil hats.[/quote] [CENTER][SIZE=4][COLOR=Lime]Never, mine's very fetching don't you think![/COLOR][/SIZE] [/CENTER]

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#567824Post 8 of 26

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GE owns NBC.. Ted Turner owns CNN.. hence corporate america always goes democratic;)

#567867Post 9 of 26

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who fuck cares if the media is liberal or not? in politics it should be centered. and it should be run[B] liberally [/B]. in the fact that the should air whatever they want and if you dont like, grab the remoite and change the channel.

but this shit is majorly important to the current state of affairs. why are they ingoring the fact the last two years of political infighting and damn near every major comment from a broadcaster, politician and twats like bill o reilly, mike moore and john stewart may not have any base

#567869Post 10 of 26

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essentially im saying this

  1. first they all agreed on iraq
  2. when it took too long, half the world flipped and say we were wrong, including those who voted for it.
  3. then they spend 2 years trashing us for being there, and limiting what we can do there. saying we lied, we fabricated it for oil, we lied about wmd's, we lied about aggression.
  4. every time a camera is around any potential candidate they harp on about how he lied.
  5. NOW WE MIGHT HAVE BEEN RIGHT AND PROOF IS IN FRONT OF US. BUT NO ONE IS EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT UNLESS THEY LIVE IN ENGLAND.

and by ""we"" and ""us"" i simply mean the USA lead coalition in general, no division of parties within.

#567877Post 11 of 26

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I don't know Sean, did you even read the story? First of all, [SIZE=2]it says ABC News ran this on Wednesday which is where BBC got wind of it for their Thursday page. Secondly it goes on to say,

[/SIZE][quote][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2]But there is no evidence from these tapes that Iraq was still hiding programmes ahead of the US-led invasion in 2003 - one of the major reasons for military action.[/SIZE][/quote]

Finally it is public record that there was no connection btw Iraq and Al Queda until we toppled Saddam. So whatever weapons program they had in 95 wasn't targeted at us. Maybe they were planning on lobbing a few Scuds over the boarder at Iran, something we sure haven't had a problem with the past.

It seems like you are hell bent to politicize an issue that is threatening all of us. And nowhere do I find any vindication for the administration or justification for their war in this. All we have accomplished is stirring up a hornet's nest and pushing this prophecy one step closer to fulfillment.

#567914Post 12 of 26

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their is no evidence because they COULD have moved them, which is currently being back by two former iraqi generals, one from the baath party, one not. both have attested to different people at different times that the military stripped two civilian airliners and transported the evidence out of the country into syria in the months before the invasion.

im not trying to vindicate anyone, but there is more to the story than anyone cares to expose.

and lastly, they made a major point of linnking iraq to terror, not to al queda, he never said they harbored the al queda membership. stop trying to make it look like they did. it was mostly about oil, but the WMD's were the tipping point to go in. now it looks like they were there. so all the criticism that we lied about WMD's might really be unwarrented and the accusation of WMD's to be true. this war has split this country in half and we are only hurting each other by not showing it all. if someone showed the whole picture then maybe ppl could see more of both sides

#567915Post 13 of 26

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i ask myself, do people want to know the truth and the whole story? or do we need another reason on a long list to hate the buffoon in the white house and his sinister cronies.

more and more i think people just want the latter and would be happy living in bliss, while saddam's WMD's lie in the hands of another radical country just waiting for a reason and a time.

#567955Post 14 of 26

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I think your over analyzing the issue. The reason is more likely much simpler; ratings. What sells more? The VP shooting his friend in the face or some same old, same old, talk of Saddam, who is already in custody, and his WMD's? After all we are talking about an audience who in some cases don't even know how many states make up the US.

#567987Post 15 of 26

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Sean -- this is old news. There were specific claims that WMDs had been moved to Syria back in 2003-04, which were pretty much fully vetted and dismissed in the Duelfer report. Perhaps the reason this isn't getting more play is because we've already been down this road.

Sure, the fact that you have some more evidence corroborating the story makes it more likely, but it still falls in the face of substantial conflicting evidence. Further, if this really did exonerate the president, don't you think he'd be blabbing on about it at every opportunity, especially with all the other shit that's going wrong in his administration right now? Between Cheney's shooting, Katrina and the wiretap deal, if I were Bush and thought this story had legs, it would be the first thing McClellan talked about every day, and I'd have Fox News running 24/7 coverage of it.

#568168Post 16 of 26

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Ok then.....

Saddam's words as quoted below discuss nothing of plans or a timeline. Furthermore as he repeats "in the future" the will be terrorism with WMD's.

He asks "what would prevent" a future WMD terrorist event, a hypothetical yes but suggesting that if iraq had the capability of excuting this attack further down the line he believes it wouldn't be something that could be prevented ultimately...

[QUOTE]In the tapes, Saddam Hussein says: "Terrorism is coming. I told the Americans... and told the British as well... ...that in the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction... ...In the future, what would prevent that we see a booby-trapped car causing a nuclear explosion in Washington or a germ or a chemical one? This is coming, this story is coming but not from Iraq."[/QUOTE]

  He then reiterates that this is something that WILL happen, but then vocally excludes the involvement of Iraq in the execution of this scenario...

  Not to mention this is the man who was found in a hole with a bunch of snickers bars, and also one who insists that he is still the leader of Iraq and demands that those around him obey and respect him 

  (if he honestly believes that he could regain power and command repect as he has demanded openly by proclaiming that he's still the ruler of Iraq, even though he's in custody and on trial for war crimes, doesnt that give you a few clues as to his grasp upon reality? Doesn't that logic alone discredit the validity of any quotes or statements he has made?

[QUOTE]Saddam Hussein was talking to Tariq Aziz, his deputy prime minister and others, although the exact date could not be confirmed.

Tariq Aziz responds by saying that biological weapons are easy to make.

"It's so simple that any biologist can make a germ bottle and drop it into a septic tank and kill 100,000," he says.[/QUOTE]

    Not knowing even when this conversation occured, and the blatant over-exaggeration in Aziz's response (in reality it is not nearly as simple as he put it, though not at all impossible) but as anyone who has ever been in a planning meeting at work knows very well... Agreeing with and validating the boss's vision or plan is a universal move in brown-nosing, not to mention when an entire conference room full of people spends hours basically congratulating themselves and eachother in a subconcious effort to make themselves feel more important and affirm their sense of having power...

Saddam says ' One day, that bitch is goin down'

Aziz says 'I know right gurl? It would be so damn easy for you to sneak past her and fuck that bitch up bad if you wanted to' [QUOTE]Charles Duelfer, a US inspector who helped look for weapons of mass destruction after the war, said the tapes "support the conclusion we made... that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted"[/QUOTE]

And finally, of course they fucking had the intention, but that has no influence or suggests at all that they actually had any at the time, and like the US inspector said, they had the intention of building/rebuilding them when the circumstances reached the point that this would even be possible. 

  So we have no facts in this article at all that would suggest that it turns out there were WMDs.Nor can you really even try to reason that the Bush administration knew that there was intelligence out there that held water yet they based their justification for immediate danger and cause to begin this war on a report that was not only years outdated but had since been discredited by it's own author... 

  There is not anywhere near enough media pressure or backlash to prevent the Bush administration from being able to defend or redeem itself with credible and confirmed evidence to back themselves up.  

  I don't rule out the possiblility of the slight yet doubtful chance that there's this smoking gun out in the world somewhere that could credit this Administration with a scrap of nobility... but if you want to be taken seriously dont begin to pretend that a jaded and dissapointed public and media is preventing some honorable truth from coming into light. 

  Dont cry wolf when you are still trying to determine what a wolf is, for you will have even fewer chances than that boy did before he lost all sense of credibility.
#568174Post 17 of 26

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[QUOTE=Kobe]Please, not the liberal media conspriacy again. Put away the tinfoil hats.[/QUOTE]

Werk! I love this post!

#568523Post 18 of 26

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[quote=thesightless][URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4719568.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4719568.stm[/URL]

and that to the the Sadr tapes where the two generals admit to flying the WMD's and chemical weapons out of iraq.[/quote]

Where can I find the recordings or transcripts for the statements madeby the two generals?

Would love to check it out.

Thanks.

#568525Post 19 of 26

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[quote=thesightless]its already late, but COMON. even if half this shit is right, and it is coming directly from the horse's mouth, then the administration was right the whole time and cliton blew it big time.

[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4719568.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4719568.stm[/URL]

and that to the the Sadr tapes where the two generals admit to flying the WMD's and chemical weapons out of iraq.

why the fuck isnt the media focusing on this rather than why dick cheney and the local cops waited 18 hours to report an accidental shooting.

this is so much more important, and the typical US citizen deserves and needs to read/hear this. fuck. the BBC has covered all these facts that have came out in the last 2 months better than any US based agancy, and its the US who is directly involved.

pass this article along.[/quote]

I also found this article which is very interesting. Leave it out and dupe the masses.

[URL="http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825"]http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825[/URL]

#568730Post 20 of 26

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[quote=dig72]Where can I find the recordings or transcripts for the statements madeby the two generals?

Would love to check it out.

Thanks.[/quote]

will be coming out in a book soon, check the NY Sun for an article too. ABC had two interviews as well.

#569200Post 21 of 26

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[QUOTE=dig72]I also found this article which is very interesting. Leave it out and dupe the masses.

[URL="http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825"]http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825[/URL][/QUOTE]

oops... did I forget to mention that small point?

#569414Post 22 of 26

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[quote=dig72]I also found this article which is very interesting. Leave it out and dupe the masses.

[URL="http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825"]http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825[/URL][/quote]

my point proven.. no one is digging publicly. you never see them ""searching for the truth"" via the mainstream media. now we all have conflicting confessions. 2 guys saying they had em and moved em b4 we got there, that guy and hilary saying they were destroyed or never there. why isnt anyone trying to find the truth so we can either accept that the war was right or put capt. dumbshit and heart attack!!! heart attack man in jail.. either way, a huge crime is being over looked. :what

#569426Post 23 of 26

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[QUOTE]Leave it out and dupe the masses. [/QUOTE]

Sean, the above mentioned article was about leaving out the detail that the theory that the waepons were moved or destroyed had since been disproven yet it was used as a legitimate concern in the article that you posted...

#569439Post 24 of 26

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not disproven, just contradicted. what i wanna know is what the truth is, cuz a few people neeed to go to jail, either bush and a few cabinet members or the guys in syria who handled them. but we will never know.

i can say something, you can say another, but until we actually see it proven, no one is right.

#569468Post 25 of 26

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So to simplify things for everyone involved, I'm the one who's always right... no more worrying or debating see?

#569476Post 26 of 26

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oh yeah. Rev. Fred Phelps says he is right. (google him if you havent heard of this moron yet)

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