well, here we are a week later, more and more protests, violence, and ,hey what now, attacks on a few embassies. so we have a few building fires, WHO KNEW? (me). the intolerent european and american citizens have been so WRONG in thier opinions of a quote un quote violent society building in the middle east. hey, Mr. Pres. Comm in cheif Bush said the other day ""they are a society of peace and compassion"".

well no we officially have assaults and incursion on foreign soil by the peoples, on top of death threats, kidnapping and state sponsored arrest of the pakistani editor. a few threats to european soil from leaders, militants and heck, the people themselves. a public call for revenge against 3 countries has been made.

whew. wow,. all in 5 days. im not one play kresken, but ill predict a long shot.""it wont get better next week""/

what responses will come from europe? will they play soft? will they negotiate? will they hit back??\

this will be the first war in a few centuries that might actually not be started by a government of a leader, but by the people themselves. when will the european citizen grow tired of the intolerent, violent, defiant, close minded ideals of the ""stereotypical middle eastern country""

boy who ever thought that the israeli , palestinian thing might be nothing much>?

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I don't understand why they don't start shooting when riots happen at the embassies.. call me crazy but if a riot came to my home at least 50 would be going home in a bag..

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can i be the CFO of laseraid. i have a great resume. and frankly, its saturday , 715 PM and i have 2 more appointments..... this sucks.

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ya that does suck.. but i don't think so..

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[quote=thesightless]well, here we are a week later, more and more protests, violence, and ,hey what now, attacks on a few embassies. so we have a few building fires, WHO KNEW? (me). the intolerent european and american citizens have been so WRONG in thier opinions of a quote un quote violent society building in the middle east. hey, Mr. Pres. Comm in cheif Bush said the other day ""they are a society of peace and compassion"".

well no we officially have assaults and incursion on foreign soil by the peoples, on top of death threats, kidnapping and state sponsored arrest of the pakistani editor. a few threats to european soil from leaders, militants and heck, the people themselves. a public call for revenge against 3 countries has been made.

whew. wow,. all in 5 days. im not one play kresken, but ill predict a long shot.""it wont get better next week""/

what responses will come from europe? will they play soft? will they negotiate? will they hit back??\

this will be the first war in a few centuries that might actually not be started by a government of a leader, but by the people themselves. when will the european citizen grow tired of the intolerent, violent, defiant, close minded ideals of the ""stereotypical middle eastern country""

boy who ever thought that the israeli , palestinian thing might be nothing much>?[/quote]

These last couple of weeks have been very revealing. First, Hamas is elected into power and then Muslim countries going crazy over a blasphemous cartoon. Bush didn't cause the problems in the Middle East. They've always been there -- intolerant religious views, cruel violence, and hatred of Israel and the West.

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I say, the moment they start rioting on European soil over this, they're officially enemies of the constitution and we put the baton on their kneecaps. Tolerance is all fine, but i demand some fucking respect for my views and values in return after I show it to them.

In the end, if Europe should ever reach the point of 'enough' and they decide to kick back, I hope they do it good. It's usually the ones that take the longest to lose their temper that go really berserk, more than anyone else. I'm so hoping for that...:D

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[QUOTE] Radical cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed told Radio 4's Today programme that in Islam, whoever insulted a prophet must be "punished and executed". "We are not saying ourselves to go there and start to look to him and kill him, we are not talking about that. We are talking about Islamic rules. If anybody insults the prophet, he will have to take a punishment," he said.

[/QUOTE] THIS is the problem. they have an idea, one that is based on thier own beliefs, that the religious law is Above all other law. it comes from years of ayatollas, imams, and shiara. sickening. like toasty with bush, i am following a similar trend with the middle east. for awhile i gave it a shot, but the people have done NOTHING to begin to convince me otherwise. this cleric has literally just veiled himself and made a public call to muslims to kill a cartoonists !!! jeez. the world is fucked and the problem is a big one. time for a crusade

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lol

It's not stopping either, the riots. Maybe we're in for WW III after all. We can't carry any guns here, but I do own a really sharp and ready-to-go machete, of which the grip has even been covered with tennisracket grip rubber for a comfy hold. I'll be in charge realtiatory beheadings.

Okay, that last thing was a joke, but i'm seriously wonding how far this will go. The Muslim states' govts are trying to calm them down by publicly condemning the cartoons and take the wind out of the extremists' sails, but will there be a moment that they cannot be controlled anymore?

Apart from that: Iran has cut it's diplomatic and economic ties with Denmark. Time for a lot of countries to cut their ties with Iran in response. What the feck is Europe letting itself be victimized again? Show some balls, show where you stand first. I'm missing the goddamn backup for Denmark here, the public outcry, the governments here saying they think freedom of speech is an inalienable right to the people here and that no-one is to touch that in any of the European countries. If Extremist Islamist win, it is because over here people were too fucking lame to show some solidarity with each other. I hate this attitude.

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I don't see what the big deal is.. have they ever seen south park or the family guy?? it is the freedom that we have here.. very soon it will be us or them again as it always does every couple hundered years.. there population grows we knock it down and then they grow and we knock it down etc... I agree yao that somebody should step in here and support the dane's.. maybe canada will have the balls now that Harper is in Government. this would be his big chance to gain more backing from the USA..

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I think what this whole situation shows is not only the major differences in worldview between Islamic society and the west but also how little provocation it takes to spur violent outbreaks in the Islamic world. However offensive a cartoon is, it can't justify attacks and protests such as these. And what this means is (what everyone knows but some people are forgetting) that the protests do not have their genesis in political cartoons. Obviously, extremists use such publications as justification for their hatred for the west; without the extremists, such publications would probably be condemned but not violently protested. The cartoons represent the ultimate scorn for Islamic society that the west displays. Unfortunately, it is precisely because of the type of reaction that the cartoons caused that the west has such scorn: violent protests over (what we view as) trivial political discourse?? Indeed, I believe both east and west would be brought together by an impassivity of Islam toward the publications; as it is in reality, the reaction of the protesters has further divided our societies.

I understand the frustration felt because I feel it too, but we have to be smart and realistic in our policy. I say, fuck the oil, and getdafuckouttathere. It's pure hubris for us to think we can fix the problems in that neighborhood, like Gargamel trying to settle a dispute amongst the Smurfs.

Oh yeah by the way: you protesters are a bunch of babies. grow up.

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All of this just goes to show...calling for someone to be killed over a FUCKING CARTOON!!!! Ok, look here...no one cares about your fucked up religious beliefs...I would jack the prophet Mohammed in his fucking jaw if I ever saw him in person.

Say all that you want about America...not one single, solitary American is calling for the death of a Muslim for all the American flags they've burned, now are we?? It's all coming to light now. The hatred and violence that Islam teachs and encourages is about to be on display for all the world to see. Maybe this will help turn the tides in this war on terro...I mean, war on radical Islam.

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^^ good call radical islam..

Before it was a small percentage of muslims they told us were radical.. now they are burning shit in a dozen countries.. doesn't sound like a small percentage to me..

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[quote=evangelion]All of this just goes to show...calling for someone to be killed over a FUCKING CARTOON!!!! Ok, look here...no one cares about your fucked up religious beliefs...I would jack the prophet Mohammed in his fucking jaw if I ever saw him in person.

Say all that you want about America...not one single, solitary American is calling for the death of a Muslim for all the American flags they've burned, now are we?? It's all coming to light now. The hatred and violence that Islam teachs and encourages is about to be on display for all the world to see. Maybe this will help turn the tides in this war on terro...I mean, war on radical Islam.[/quote] the situation is very complicated,this people have very strange beliefs,its not that simple

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Any display of the prophet is illegal according to Muslims, and that's the issue of debate. That means no art, sculptures, etc... that depict the prophet. It's easy for all of us living on the green-grass side of the fence to just say that they're morons. This has only shown that the Danes didn't do their homework before publishing this cartoon. I'm all for freedom of the press and speech, but there's that thing that our Justices hold as Time, Place, and Manner, and those cartoons were certainly breaking it. As long as our hands are down the pants of the midde easterners, we will always have unrest. This should be a wake up call to countries that sometimes you just have to draw the line because the results prove to be more harmful then expected.

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Bullshit local.. the whole point of the America's was to be able to do what we want.. you don't like it get the F%$k out of here.. go home. These are the rules of this land.. they can do what they want there.

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No, the whole point of establishment for the United States, not Canada or Mexico, was to escape religious persecution. You're free to practice what you perceive is your belief, however, you're also obligated to responsibilities for your actions. If you're going to bring some sort of argument to the table, bring something worth while, not comments a guy from 'arkansas' would say.

Is Canada really that uneducated?

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actually our schools are better then yours.. look it up.. this isn't a pissing match about who is better canada or the usa i like them both. the fact of the matter is if everyone can make fun of Jesus like in south park skits and shit there aren't mass riots across the world calling for the head of the cartoonist.. maybe he would get fired.. oh ya and what does this mean "responsible for your actions" I thought you lived in the USA?? Nobody is responsible for there actions.. I didn't realize that my arkansas comment would be taken so seriously because it was a joke..

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From Ann Coulter: [quote]Three cartoons made political points. One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying 'Stop, stop—we ran out of virgins!' —which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular—oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. In order to express their displeasure with the idea that Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence. Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back.[/quote]

9 times out of 10, this woman is about as realistic as a unicorn - but I must admit she does have a point here.

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i think they should be reprinted. i know i sound like an asshole, but someone needs to show that these freedoms are crucial to our lifestyles and to show we really beleive in them. by retracting, firing, and apologizing we are leaning one step closer to living in fear of the stereotypical islamic terrorist. (NOT the normal, peaceful, nice ones for those who think im stereotyping). simply as a united people, we need to put forth a front that shows that shiara and koran based law wont be forced upon other people out of fear.

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[quote=runningman]actually our schools are better then yours.. look it up.. this isn't a pissing match about who is better canada or the usa i like them both. the fact of the matter is if everyone can make fun of Jesus like in south park skits and shit there aren't mass riots across the world calling for the head of the cartoonist.. maybe he would get fired.. oh ya and what does this mean "responsible for your actions" I thought you lived in the USA?? Nobody is responsible for there actions.. I didn't realize that my arkansas comment would be taken so seriously because it was a joke..[/quote]

LOL

a little FYI; the top universities in the world are primarily located in the United States and a few in England. The fact of the matter is that imposition of your beliefs to desecrate someone who they hold very sacred is ethically wrong. Muslims are by far more fundamental then Christians and its subsidiary sects. If inciting a war is what you want, then you do it.

You know very well what it means. Freedom comes with responsibility. If you have no responsibility then you have anarchy. If you cause more problems then needed, then we hold you responsible, or rather, the publisher for allowing it. I can only agree that the Danes had a right to publish their picture, but the rest of Europe screwed it up.

The last comment wasn't taken seriously. I was just mocking you because your comments sound just like a redneck at the bottom of the totem pole.

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[quote=thesightless]i think they should be reprinted. i know i sound like an asshole, but someone needs to show that these freedoms are crucial to our lifestyles and to show we really beleive in them. by retracting, firing, and apologizing we are leaning one step closer to living in fear of the stereotypical islamic terrorist. (NOT the normal, peaceful, nice ones for those who think im stereotyping). simply as a united people, we need to put forth a front that shows that shiara and koran based law wont be forced upon other people out of fear.[/quote]

well the problem here is that it's a lack of respect for their religion. You can't compare Christianity and Muslim faiths because they both follow different laws of ethics. For something as volotile as religion, it's very imperitive to refrain at this time and moment from inciting more hate toward us. You don't put fuel on fire to douse it.

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FYI their schools are better than ours...... we have the edge in the upper tier because of our parochial and privately funded schools, as well as colleges, but their public school systems are better. mainly because they have a much less population of latin and negro minorities, which in FACT, have a terribly low grade average and involvment..... the US is killed because of the city school systems that have been overrun by union BS and lack of parental involvement....

what makes the US more attractive per say are schools like Chaminade in NY, Canterbury academy in conn, the private hockey schools in the great lakes regions... then add in catholic schools where kids arent allowed to fail or face expulsion, there is the curve.

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[quote=thesightless]FYI their schools are better than ours...... we have the edge in the upper tier because of our parochial and privately funded schools, as well as colleges, but their public school systems are better. mainly because they have a much less population of latin and negro minorities, which in FACT, have a terribly low grade average and involvment..... the US is killed because of the city school systems that have been overrun by union BS and lack of parental involvement....

what makes the US more attractive per say are schools like Chaminade in NY, Canterbury academy in conn, the private hockey schools in the great lakes regions... then add in catholic schools where kids arent allowed to fail or face expulsion, there is the curve.[/quote]

You're right, our public schools aren't as good as like you said because of the lower class population that occupies it. However, you're 'privately funded' schools are rivaled by state funded schools. Maybe NY doesn't have them but there are multitudes of state universities (UCSD among top medical schools) that do just as well and gain as much recognition as any privately funded school. However, you're not giving the public education system enough credit. Schools that are middle class and above are doing fairly well. Though standardized testing proves otherwise, the results in college differ.