[URL="http://http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20051101/pl_nm/bush_leak_congress_dc_2"]Deomcrats Close Senate Doors in Iraq Protest[/URL]

About friggin' time.

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I suspect this is designed not just to be a show of protest, but also to provide a real-world example of what can happen if the nuclear option is invoked over Alito and the Dems shut down the Senate.

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This headline would be more fitting:

Democrats Have Completely Lost Their Minds

They're using the Libby non-indictment as it relates to the Plame controversy, in which no one was indicted for conspiracy to out Valierie Plame, so they missed their opportunity to target Rove. They have nothing else to bring to the table but to act like a bunch of whiny desperate politico's that no difinitive plan, and no goals. They're hanging on this because it's all they have.

Sad to say the least.

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[quote=toasty]I suspect this is designed not just to be a show of protest, but also to provide a real-world example of what can happen if the nuclear option is invoked over Alito and the Dems shut down the Senate.[/quote]

The nuclear option isn't happening. First, the gang of 14 doesn't even have an explanation of what 'extraordinary circumstances' is supposed to mean, so they have to be within that frame of text to even do such a thing.

Three words: Bring... It.... On!!

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[url]http://www.reopen911.org/[/url]

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[quote=shosh][URL="http://www.reopen911.org/"]http://www.reopen911.org/[/URL][/quote]

Multiple explosions?

Do the multiple explosions do away with the theory that planes actually flew into the buildings?

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[QUOTE=cosmo]The nuclear option isn't happening. First, the gang of 14 doesn't even have an explanation of what 'extraordinary circumstances' is supposed to mean, so they have to be within that frame of text to even do such a thing.

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And you think that will stop it from happening? It might not happen, and I certainly hope that it doesn't, because cooler heads may hopefully prevail, or because the 6 or so pro-choice republicans may side with the democrats, defeating the nomination outright. The idea, however, that the dems [B]can't[/B] fillibuster simply because no one bothered to define "extraordinary circumstances," is just wrong. Just as you and I can't agree upon what the hell the term "judicial activist" means, I seriously doubt that the senators will see eye to eye on what qualifies as "extraordinary circumstances." Indeed, it is that haze that will allow for the fillibuster -- and which may ultimately result in the nuclear option being deployed.

Of course, he could just be defeated before the full Senate. That would be something...

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[QUOTE=cosmo]Multiple explosions?

Do the multiple explosions do away with the theory that planes actually flew into the buildings?[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying that i believe those theories/assumptions. At the same time I'm not saying I dont believe them either. But there are definitely some questions left unanswered. Such as, what hit the Pentagon.

With the recent indictments and the latter Downing Street Memos, do you wonder to what extent the govt went to find a plausible cause to go to war against Iraq? Personally I believe anything is possible and that republicans and democrats are both corrupt. Just some points to ponder....

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[QUOTE=cosmo]They're using the Libby non-indictment ... [/QUOTE]

Libby's facing 30 years and up to a quarter million in fines. Wanna trade him places?

Don't think Rove is out of the woods yet, BTW. Remember, Libby is facing some serious charges with serious consequences -- he's got a pretty strong incentive to try to roll over on someone to cut a deal.

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Whether created or not by the Democrats, they seem to be on the offensive recently:

Here's some recent examples: Scooter indicted, Rove still under investigation, fighting Supreme Court nominees, Downing St Memo, attacking response to Hurricane Katrina, Cindy Sheehan protesting, Tom Delay indicted, and now closed door sessions on intelligence.

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[quote=toasty]Of course, he could just be defeated before the full Senate. That would be something...[/quote]

Would the administration allow an embarassment like that to happen with such a high-profile nomination? If the nomination would be defeated in the full senate, obviously Bush & co would have a pretty damn good idea that his nomination was in serious trouble before the vote, and will likely know exactly how the votes will pan out in the senate. If he was going to lose the vote due to enough republicans voting against him, you might see another case of a nominee "voluntarily" stepping down for whatever reason.

But short of a complete collapse of the republican party in the next 6-8 weeks, I don't envision that happening.

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[QUOTE]Libby's facing 30 years and up to a quarter million in fines. Wanna trade him places?

Don't think Rove is out of the woods yet, BTW. Remember, Libby is facing some serious charges with serious consequences -- he's got a pretty strong incentive to try to roll over on someone to cut a deal.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]By Libby 'non-indictment', I meant that he wasn't indicted for what the investigation was started for: The intentional leaking of a CIA covert op. Remember, they weren't able to indict anyone under the Identities Act and the Espionage Act. And Matt Cooper testified that he brought up the fact that she worked for the CIA, to which Libby responded by saying 'I heard that too'. Rove wasn't the 'leaker' either. If this goes any further, Cheney would be the person to look at, and perhaps put in front of the grand jury one more time.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]I think he had more to do with this than Rove did.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][quote]Whether created or not by the Democrats, they seem to be on the offensive recently:

Here's some recent examples: Scooter indicted, Rove still under investigation, fighting Supreme Court nominees, Downing St Memo, attacking response to Hurricane Katrina, Cindy Sheehan protesting, Tom Delay indicted, and now closed door sessions on intelligence.[/quote][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]The only thing they are on the offense for are the first three examples. All of the others were used and have failed. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Tom Delay may be a POS, but I seriously doubt he will get charged with anything. The indictment didn't have any clear evidence that tied him to anything. And the prosecutor has a record of doing this to his enemies and working for the democratic party.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Cindy has proved herself to be out of her mind. It's an old story.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Closed door sessions is a lost cause because they weren't able to get Rove, or anyone for that matter under the two Acts mentioned earlier.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Hurricane Katrina lays soley on the doorstep of the Governor. She had full control under the Homeland Security clause. She fumbled from step 1. Due to Federalism, the state has to allow the Feds in, and she didn't do that until the Wednesday after the storm, which was on Monday[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote=shosh]I'm not saying that i believe those theories/assumptions. At the same time I'm not saying I dont believe them either. But there are definitely some questions left unanswered. Such as, what hit the Pentagon.

With the recent indictments and the latter Downing Street Memos, do you wonder to what extent the govt went to find a plausible cause to go to war against Iraq? Personally I believe anything is possible and that republicans and democrats are both corrupt. Just some points to ponder....[/quote]

The Pentagon was hit by a plane. Let's leave it at that. There were multiple witnesses, and there are photos available online that show plane parts inside the wreckage of the Pentagon.

And the DS Memos proved nothing. People latch onto the 'fixed' assertion, but that was taken out of context in order to accuse them of 'fixing' the intel, which wasn't the case.

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[quote]And you think that will stop it from happening? It might not happen, and I certainly hope that it doesn't, because cooler heads may hopefully prevail, or because the 6 or so pro-choice republicans may side with the democrats, defeating the nomination outright. The idea, however, that the dems [B]can't[/B] fillibuster simply because no one bothered to define "extraordinary circumstances," is just wrong. Just as you and I can't agree upon what the hell the term "judicial activist" means, I seriously doubt that the senators will see eye to eye on what qualifies as "extraordinary circumstances." Indeed, it is that haze that will allow for the fillibuster -- and which may ultimately result in the nuclear option being deployed.

Of course, he could just be defeated before the full Senate. That would be something...[/quote]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]There is a possibility of that happening, but I don't see it happening. The Republicans will stay on course with getting this confirmed in the Committee, so that he is approved in Congress. I don't see any flaws in his career, bad enough to place within the text of extraordinary circumstances. Just like John Roberts.[/SIZE][/FONT]

The democrats are just making a stink because they wanted the activist Miers.

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umm that reopen 9/11 site is a fucking disgrace.

i was there, i can vouche that it was planes flying into buildings.

god these people are scum, and you arent much better for believing any of it.

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No one is questioning the planes flying into the WTC's but you do realize that these are the only steel buildings in history to have ever collapsed, right? The way they came down alone is suspect, you couldn't have a more controlled collapse. You also know that the bomb sniffing dogs were removed 4 days prior to 9/11, another coincidence right? Or that the trade centers were sold just the year before, and the insurance policy payout was actually a profitable venture? Coincidence that the passport of the terrorist that flew the plane into the building was somehow on top of the ruble(sp?) barely burned? Operation Northern Vigilance? FEMA drill in lower Manhatten scheduled for 9/11? The wing of the Pentagon that the "plane" was flown into had been under construction since 91? John Lear (of Lear jet), who is the ONLY one who holds all FAA licenses, has many hours of both commercial and military flight time, says that even he couldn't perform the manuvers that supposedly happened at the Pentagon? I've barely scratched the list. Take a look at the following site and then try to explain all the coincidences?

[url]http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/coincidence-theorists-guide-to-911.html[/url]

[quote]That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one [URL="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1298401"]simulating the crash of a plane[/URL] into a building; another, a [URL="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495"]live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings[/URL] – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=thesightless]umm that reopen 9/11 site is a fucking disgrace.

i was there, i can vouche that it was planes flying into buildings.

god these people are scum, and you arent much better for believing any of it.[/QUOTE]

1. i've never insulted you or anyone on this board.

2. i've never said i believed them. just something to make you wonder.

3. @cosmo. i've honestly and earnestly tried to find a goddamn picture of the plane hitting the pentagon. if you can find one please let me know. this is not a sarcastic comment, im serious that i do want to see a picture of the plane or remains.

4. i have not inferred anything

thanks

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sorry, but that shit strikes a nerve. all these fucking conspiricy theorists..... not worth a shit in my book. the two planes that hit the tower were destined for a 6 hour flight, they most likely had more fuel than that, they were in the air for about an hour if that, jet fuel burns hot, the 15 or so stories of the building had collapsed within itself, putting more weight on the 2-3 floors that remained intact beneath them, now holding the weight of 17-18 stories on the support beams designed to support one floor. combine with 1800 degree heat melting and weakening the steel base , well there you go. there were no missles, no bombs blowing up when they fell, they simply fell, i was there , i had to watch it. oh yeah, add the weight of a plane on top of it.

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I've lived under corrupt governments far too long to know no one is to be trusted. do i know gw or anyone else in power personally to know that i can trust them? no. so in my eyes anyone is capable of doing anything with the right motivation, money or power...

thats all. cheers