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"No one can say they didn't see it coming"

49 durable postsStarted 2005-09-01Latest 2005-09-14
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[url=http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/]"No one can say they didn't see it coming"[/url]

[quote]In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.


By Sidney Blumenthal

Aug. 31, 2005 | Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now underwater, reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce.

In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what we're doing."

"My administration's climate change policy will be science based," President Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations reflecting its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy," and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of the line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this year, Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists, meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising temperature of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.

In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's most powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ... Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and administrations of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush completely ignored this statement.

In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of science by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal Drug Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to delete its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to racial profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for work in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the National Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking professional background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and prohibit any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials through the Park Service.

On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in California comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D. Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very own "Streetcar Named Desire." [/quote]

#469252Post 2 of 49

Re: "No one can say they didn't see it coming"

amazing, Bush is blamed for everything...r u kidding me?

#469260Post 3 of 49

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The Bush administration funded 300 million dollars to the LA, Flood Control Project ( not 100% sure o f the name of the project) but New Orleans Levee situation is a local and a state funded issue and the fed gov does not usually get involved in state projects. Only in outstanding circumstances does the Fed gov intervene. Now some may say this is a outstanding situation NOW, but it was not the fed gov's deal prior to this hurricane.

#469308Post 4 of 49

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the USA is now officially to blame for everything. from AIDS to hurricanes to poverty. its really sad because there is a whole generation of people here slowly growing into an idea of pure isolationism nowadays. so many ppl i talk to around my age are really just done with it all. especially within the last 5-6 years. sadly im stepping into this boat. unite the 2 american continents and just deal with what's in house.

#469326Post 5 of 49

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Wow, it took less than 3 days to blame Bush for this. That's impressive.

#469329Post 6 of 49

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I think the main reason the states and it's goverment gets blamed for most things is because of the age of the ppl in high ranks at most media organisations . The average age of the guys giving orders is early 60's late 50's which would put them at univeristy when the whole communist red book coulture was spreading through campuses . Alot of right of centre newspapers like to point this out from time to time . Also we are increasingly enteringing into a blame coulture society ( this i wholey put blame at americas feet for though .. snigger) where as shit just can't happen .There must always be someone to point a finger at saying he did it . We need to get back to being a coulture where we just take a deap breath and get on with things instead of looking for someone to vent our anger at

#469342Post 7 of 49

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.....

#469347Post 8 of 49

I think some people take this article the wrong way. I don't think that it's the administration's fault for the damage caused by the Katrina, but that things could have been done to limit the damage. At the same time, there were things which could have been done at a city or state, coast level. Obviously there are many people to blame. But shall we also blame God or Mother Nature?

I'll blame Saddam and Osama

#469514Post 9 of 49

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[quote=thesightless]the USA is now officially to blame for everything. from AIDS to hurricanes to poverty.[/quote]

[quote=Jenks]Wow, it took less than 3 days to blame Bush for this. That's impressive.[/quote]

So what's new... :roll:

#469553Post 10 of 49

Bush: "We're going to help!"

Bush: "We'll get on top of this situation"

Bush: '"Results are not acceptable"

Bush: " We're shipping in millions of tons of water and millions of tons of food"


Did anyone see or read the mayors response to what is going on?

Can you actually believe he said they are dumping millions of tons of food at the superdome?

I don't think anyone is blaming him for the hurricane lets get real here folks but his response to what is going on now is fucking piss poor to say the least.

#469569Post 11 of 49

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It's a great dose of reality for Americans and it's a great way to see how much shame the city of New Orleans is bringing upon America. Engineers exist everywhere and just because those in the Army were denied [i]research[/i] into the issue of flooding, does not mean that there weren't other private organizations already conducting their research and proposals.

NO had this coming. Every year they worried about getting hit by a hurricane. Levee's won't stop 140 mph winds from blowing and won't prevent extensive rainfall. Louisana has been naive in preparing for the hurricanes. Not to mention that this is the only city in the states below sea level. It gives enough reason for a person to not live there. Regardless of how much you love the area you live in, we don't control nature and it's effects. We are at the mercy of mother nature and a logical approach should be taken when residing in these trouble zones.

Furthermore, NO has showed us that when disaster such as these strike, we're running around with our heads cut off. We have morons shooting at rescue personnel, peace officers participating in the anarchy and looting, idiots trying to break into hospitals to steal drugs, and others who try to hijack supply trucks. What the hell kind of example is this? Agreed, it is survival of the fittest, espescially with Mississippi and Lousiana having a high population of poverty-stricken families, however, it's caused chaos. No order equates to chaos, and when there's chaos there is destruction, murder, and anarchy.

I'm ashamed to have them as a state and regardless of what you lot say, I stick to my narrowminded view of this situation.

#469572Post 12 of 49

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damn .. :roll: and u guys think i can be a bit harsh

#469575Post 13 of 49

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[quote=bart_smastard]damn .. :roll: and u guys think i can be a bit harsh[/quote]

No shit. You're looking like mother teresa now compared to MenloFark.

#469627Post 14 of 49

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[quote=MenloPark]It's a great dose of reality for Americans and it's a great way to see how much shame the city of New Orleans is bringing upon America. Engineers exist everywhere and just because those in the Army were denied [i]research[/i] into the issue of flooding, does not mean that there weren't other private organizations already conducting their research and proposals.

NO had this coming. Every year they worried about getting hit by a hurricane. Levee's won't stop 140 mph winds from blowing and won't prevent extensive rainfall. Louisana has been naive in preparing for the hurricanes. Not to mention that this is the only city in the states below sea level. It gives enough reason for a person to not live there. Regardless of how much you love the area you live in, we don't control nature and it's effects. We are at the mercy of mother nature and a logical approach should be taken when residing in these trouble zones.

Furthermore, NO has showed us that when disaster such as these strike, we're running around with our heads cut off. We have morons shooting at rescue personnel, peace officers participating in the anarchy and looting, idiots trying to break into hospitals to steal drugs, and others who try to hijack supply trucks. What the hell kind of example is this? Agreed, it is survival of the fittest, espescially with Mississippi and Lousiana having a high population of poverty-stricken families, however, it's caused chaos. No order equates to chaos, and when there's chaos there is destruction, murder, and anarchy.

I'm ashamed to have them as a state and regardless of what you lot say, I stick to my narrowminded view of this situation.[/quote]

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Next time, try to say [b]one thing[/b] that hasn't been said 10,000 times already. :roll:

#469953Post 15 of 49

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this just in:

"george bush doesn't care about black people." --Kanye West

[url]http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2678975?htv=12[/url]

#469983Post 16 of 49

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[quote=MenloPark]Not to mention that this is the only city in the states below sea level.

I stick to my narrowminded view of this situation.[/quote] you can say that again. :roll:

do you seriously think that's the only city in the states below sea level? is new orleans the only place that's stupid for being below sea level, or is it anybody under sea level? parts of california are over 200 feet below sea level. what about the netherlands? over a quarter of the netherlands lies below sea level, and it seems like nearly half of their borders are on the north sea. flooding has been an issue for them for decades... does this make the entire country as gullible as you're implying those in new orleans are? or azerbaijan? israel? they're partially under sea level. how about Jordan? it's 1,300 feet below sea level. I guess these countries should have thought about nature before they formed, eh?

#469986Post 17 of 49

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[quote=face]this just in:

"george bush doesn't care about black people." --Kanye West

[url]http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2678975?htv=12[/url][/quote]

World. Class. Idiot. :roll:

"They've been given permission to shoot us."

Not the people running around with guns, shooting at people as they try to evacuate....oh no. They've been given permission to shoot at black people [b]ONLY[/b]. Is it someone's fault that they are one and the same??

Whatever...I get so sick of this whining and crying all the time. It's every man for himself over there. Not every black man for himself. Shut the fuck up, Kanye West.

Your music sucks too. :Puke Pon:

#470066Post 18 of 49

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:CrackUp:

That Kanye West had me laugh my ass off, not only is he just kicking around but he can't even pronounce one damn coherent sentence!! And that look on Mike Meyers' face when he says [i]"He has given them permission to shoot us"[/i] is priceless.

On another record: Pickles, not meaning to offend you or devaluate your arguments made earlier, just a simple important fact: The Netherlands and Holland are one and the same country. It's confusing, I know, but somehow through history our country has deemed it necessary to dub and redub itself...Holland is the traditional name of the 'old' territory , and the Netherlands is the name after Belgium seceded itself from us. You can use both, though don't mistake the for two separate countries :wink:

#470111Post 19 of 49

:oops:

owned.

#470113Post 20 of 49

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and they are dutch not netherlanders or holandians .. explain that one yao

to make it more confusing deutschland surrounds them .. this one puzzled me since school days and neva bothered trying to find out why till now

#470126Post 21 of 49

spreken ze deutsch?

#470132Post 22 of 49

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i need to go potty

#470149Post 23 of 49

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hehehe,

you call Deutschland Germany, so if you just stick to the English name you won't be in trouble...Germany is for the Germans, Holland/The Netherlands is for the Dutch.

Hm.

Fuck.

Now I know why almost nobody gets it right, hehehe....

They should give this country back to the sea...pfffff....

#470153Post 24 of 49

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waheeeeeyyy i stumped the all knowing yao :Bounce:

( this isn't a piss take cos i do admire the way you have an indepth opinion on most subjects :bow down: )

#470160Post 25 of 49

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the deutschland thing was in reference to the fact you could understand germans being called dutch because you take the "e" and the "s" out of deutschland and you get dutchland .. but that dosn't directly explain how you guys became the dutch. and i think german came from the romans ie. germania

#470189Post 26 of 49

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[quote=picklemonkey][quote=MenloPark]Not to mention that this is the only city in the states below sea level.

I stick to my narrowminded view of this situation.[/quote] you can say that again. :roll:

do you seriously think that's the only city in the states below sea level? is new orleans the only place that's stupid for being below sea level, or is it anybody under sea level? parts of california are over 200 feet below sea level. what about the netherlands? over a quarter of the netherlands lies below sea level, and it seems like nearly half of their borders are on the north sea. flooding has been an issue for them for decades... does this make the entire country as gullible as you're implying those in new orleans are? or azerbaijan? israel? they're partially under sea level. how about Jordan? it's 1,300 feet below sea level. I guess these countries should have thought about nature before they formed, eh?[/quote]

I'm sorry, but Death Valley isn't a city. It's a barren desert. Gee Golly, I also never knew that hurricanes were known to sweep through Holland, Azerbaijan, and Israel. Oh wait, I know why! They don't have warm water air and the climate to fuel hurricanes!

Year after year NO prayed that a hurricane wouldn't hit them because they knew if it did, it was cause serious damage. Hindsight 20/20 for the National Weather Service and National Hurricane Center who repeatedly told the southern states what could happen if a strong enough hurricane came through.

#470201Post 27 of 49

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LOL

thanks Smastard, same about you even though you kinda make a stir sometimes, hehe...so far I think they were good ones tho.

And seriously...i should dive into some history books to find out why we are called 'Dutchmen'...i have NO idea...

Anyway, I'm totally pissed now, so better try some real thinking tomorrow I guess :D :D

And Menlo..they were just a little bit too late...only 8 years or so...;-)

#471159Post 28 of 49

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[quote=dvs]amazing, Bush is blamed for everything...r u kidding me?[/quote]

Okay, lets not blame him, lets blame Mother Nature.. Shes been coming after us for a long time now and Im starting to get the feeling that she doenst like us... We got guns. Can we bomb her? That slut...

#471580Post 29 of 49

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Why not blame anyone....and focus on cleaning up the mess and trying to prevent it from happening again in the future. Blame is one of the biggest wastes of time in the world. :x

#471629Post 30 of 49

^^^it's easy to do when one has nowhere else to turn...or so they feel.

#471807Post 31 of 49

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I don't believe that people realize the magnitude of this disaster. It is not the easiest thing to do to order up 40,000 troops and get them to the location of the disaster when all the roads and everything is destroyed. It isn't like CNN sending Anderson Cooper and a camera guy. Sure those guys can come in over night (even though they were already there). The only thing that you could say is that should they have been ready for this by having the National Guard all 40,000 troops ready "in-case" there was a disaster?? But when have you ever heard of that? Never. This hurricane has just taken the eyes off of the real problem right not that is going to drive us to recession -- the gas prices.. Talk about poverty. This is going to kill us by gas prices doubling in 12 months. That is bullshit and this was the only thing that I was worried about when Bush got his ssecond term.

#472045Post 32 of 49

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i know i am going to get slaughterd for saying this .... but i can't resist

the hurricane is a coverup and realy it was an attack by a muslim suicide plumber

shit why the fuck did i say that .. :sillyboy:

at least i havn't wrote the 3 other sick jokes i got sent by text this week involving N.O. cos there would be a serious linching

#472049Post 33 of 49

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[quote=bart_smastard]at least i havn't wrote the 3 other sick jokes i got sent by text this week involving N.O. cos there would be a serious linching[/quote]

you cant start and not finish... so tell em

#472052Post 34 of 49

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if this one dosn't seriously offend i'll tell one more tommorow

#472126Post 35 of 49

do it! do it!

#472461Post 36 of 49

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9324891/[/url]

It's all Bush's fault.

#472465Post 37 of 49

Re: "No one can say they didn't see it coming"

I don't know where blame will ultimately fall, but it is clear that the problems associated with Katrina were of human origin as much as, if not more than, natural. It simply didn't have to go down that way. We all watched as a major metropolitan area descended into complete and utter anarchy before our very eyes.

I'm not even talking about the levees bursting. I'm talking about the slow ass response in the aftermath that allowed things to get so out of control. When something like that happens, FEMA shouldn't need an invitation to get involved, and the state government shouldn't be turning help away. It should be an "all hands on deck" sort of thing. Kudos to the mayor for pointing out this obvious approach to disaster management in his spectacular and incredibly frank rant from a week or so ago.

When all is said and done, the death toll and economic impact could equal or surpass 9/11. Why was the reaction so different?

#472504Post 38 of 49

[quote=picklemonkey]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9324891/

It's all Bush's fault.[/quote]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Isn't it his job to "take responsibility??"

I guess my "why not focus on cleaning up the mess and trying to prevent it from happening again in the future/blame is one of the biggest wastes of time" comment just flew right under the radar.

What good does pointing fingers and assigning blame do now?? Someone please answer this question!!!

#472572Post 39 of 49

[quote=evangelion][quote=picklemonkey]

It's all Bush's fault.[/quote]

...

Isn't it his job to "take responsibility??" [/quote]

If you subscribe to Truman's idea that "The Buck Stops Here," then yes, it is his job. That the fact that Bush has taken responsibility for this is such big news, however, is very telling, since acknowledging error isn't exactly his forte.

[quote=evangelion] What good does pointing fingers and assigning blame do now?? Someone please answer this question!!![/quote]

How about insuring that the knuckleheads that allowed this to happen be stripped of their jobs and replaced with people that can (hopefully) do a better job? We've become so accustomed to mediocrity and incompetence -- why is no one held accountable for anything anymore? Mike Brown is a good first step, but there are plenty of other folks -- and I don't know who, mind you -- that need to catch some shit for this collosal fuck up.

#472589Post 40 of 49

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I think that goes more along the lines of "trying to prevent it from happening again in the future", not simply saying "It's all Bush's fault." Or anyone's fault for that matter. Correctly a problem and assigning blame are on totally different planes..........to me at least.

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