does anyone else find it a bit two faced that all of a sudden the media wants the white house to follow the law by line by line rule and idea all of a sudden with the whole rove thing, when in fact a crime really didnt take place(no, that poor reporter didnt commit a crime, neither did rove, they both did fuck up though). but during the prior administration they were no where near as demanding in thier reporting when in fact a crime did occur.(white water and perjury, numerous affairs) they actually encouraged each other to be lax and liberal back then but act so conservatively in the name of the left nowadays. i dunno, i just find it stupid and slightly funny. its like everyone flip flops around to create the next big thing. :roll:

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Possibly the Rove scandal is personal to the press since one of their own got jailed for 18 months for not disclosing sources.

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yeah it was wrong, but they are lucky they arent being tried for treason. technically what they did could be filed under some of the more restrictive treason laws.

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[quote=thesightless]does anyone else find it a bit two faced that all of a sudden the media wants the white house to follow the law by line by line rule and idea all of a sudden with the whole rove thing, when in fact a crime really didnt take place(no, that poor reporter didnt commit a crime, neither did rove, they both did fuck up though). but during the prior administration they were no where near as demanding in thier reporting when in fact a crime did occur.(white water and perjury, numerous affairs) they actually encouraged each other to be lax and liberal back then but act so conservatively in the name of the left nowadays. i dunno, i just find it stupid and slightly funny. its like everyone flip flops around to create the next big thing. :roll:[/quote]

So there was no coverage of Clinton's affair? Whitewater got no coverage?

The NYT ran more than 400 stories on the Monica scandal alone. I dont know about Whitewater.

On to your other assertions-

Rove committed perjury-at the least- treason at worst. If there was no evidence of this, the GJ probe would be nowhere.

For you to equate Clinton lying about sex to ANYONE lying about treason shows that once again you are out to lunch.

Say hello to Hannity for me. :roll:

Re: something ironic about the media over the last decade

eye-p. i hate pretty much all politicians.

bush-dumbest in awhile kerry-flake ms. clinton- power hungry mr.clinton- to smart for us all, shady too.

i can go on. i just find it funny that no one pressed for clinton's impeachment earlier than they did, but right off the bat they jump on the current admin. i would take gov't back to the local lvl and get rid of these overpowering state and federal gov'ts. they do no good.

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the press want good press...any easy story. they'll try and get it however they have to...this just happened to be the easy way to get it.

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I agree with eye-p...The current investigation of Rove's role in the outting of Valerie Plame should not be compared to the Clinton / Lewinsky scandal. In the Rove case, the life of an individual and her associates are at stake, as well as the security of the nation.
Clinton's scandal, as far as I can see, had very little to do with national interests or security. The fact that perjury may have been committed in each case does not place them on equal ground.

This administration has been particularly manipulative of the Constitution and legal precedent. It is time that the Bush administration be held accountable for its dubious practices and policies.

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[quote=hoodednight]It is time that the Bush administration be held accountable for its dubious practices and policies.[/quote]

You know, it depends upon what you mean by "be held accountable," but I kinda agree and am kinda OK as things are. I've heard a lot of drum beat lately about impeachment and the like. I'm opposed to impeaching Bush for two reasons: first, Clinton was impeached for something that, in the greater scheme of things, just wasn't that big of a deal to me. Bush's actions are far worse, but I don't want to see partisans start calling for presidents to be impeached at the drop of a hat. I happen to think that Bush's actions warrant it, but if we impeach two presidents in a row, I'm concerned that it will become the norm and just more of a political tool more than something that is legitimately used in extreme circumstances, as I think it was meant to be.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, if we get rid of Bush, we're left with Cheney (which is pretty much what we have now anyway), which is arguably worse. As much as I dislike Bush, I'd take him over the actual puppeteer.

It [b]is[/b] high time that the president was held accountable, though, and I think that is starting to happen to the extent that Bush is losing the public's trust, which had been where he was the strongest. As he loses the public's trust, he loses the ability to ramrod whatever he wants through the legislature. The most frustrating part of the Bush presidency for me has been watching him smugly and effectively bamboozle the public, saying one thing and doing another, all the while displaying utter incompetence with people thinking he walked on water.

I saw a bumper sticker on a lib's car the other day that said, "If you aren't apalled, you aren't paying attention." The good news is that more people [b]are[/b] paying attention, and are not taking Bush at his word any more. Only good things can come of this, IMO. I'd rather see a more alert populace that forces politicians to govern well than simply swap Bush for Cheney.

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you cannot take any leader at thier word. even FDR lied to the country to get it moving. so did reagan, clinton, bushes, etc. remember al gore created the internet. there are things i love about him, and things i despise about him. he has great conviction and is quite lovable if you met him without the politics. he is also the little retarded kid who works for a living. however, in his position, you must realize he is not a genious nor a speaker(2 very important reqs for a pres).

[quote]he has great conviction and is quite lovable if you met him without the politics.[/quote]

Hell, that sounds like me, but I'm not in the Oval Office.

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exactly.

I should rephrase.

Hell, that sounds like me, so I should be in the Oval Office. :lol: