I just was curious to see the breakup of MS users based on political views. So, what are you? I'm a crazy liberal :Tongue:

Re: Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

[quote=Galapidate]I just was curious to see the breakup of MS users based on political views. So, what are you? I'm a crazy liberal :Tongue:[/quote]

Good idea but maybe add "Very Liberal" and "Very Conservative" options. :mrgreen:

Re: Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

[quote=delirious][quote=Galapidate]I just was curious to see the breakup of MS users based on political views. So, what are you? I'm a crazy liberal :Tongue:[/quote]

Good idea but maybe add "Very Liberal" and "Very Conservative" options. :mrgreen:[/quote]

I don't know how to edit a poll.

Re: Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

[quote=Galapidate][quote=delirious][quote=Galapidate]I just was curious to see the breakup of MS users based on political views. So, what are you? I'm a crazy liberal :Tongue:[/quote]

Good idea but maybe add "Very Liberal" and "Very Conservative" options. :mrgreen:[/quote]

I don't know how to edit a poll.[/quote]

Edit the original topic post and add the options. :wink:

When I hit edit I don't see the poll option thing at the bottom, that's what the problem is.

Where is the independent option?

Hahaha I like how only 2 people have voted.

progressive muzik is about "change" how could you be conservative??? :evil:

i'm registered independent but after the last four years i could never see me voting for a republican president.

[quote=Alpinevpr]Hahaha I like how only 2 people have voted.[/quote]

Thats probably because most people are not on one side of the fence or the other. If you are conservative or liberal, it doesn't matter, you are the same thing. This country stresses the extremes from both sides, when most logical people are thinking somewhere in the middle.

Which is why independent should be one of the options.

Yeah, you need to put an independent option up there. I would guess my political leanings are more liberal, but I despise most sleazy republicans and pussy-ass democrats democrats as well as their brainless followers equally, so who knows. ;)

Wouldn't independent be the same as moderate in a sense? That's what I voted since there was no independent.

:lol: I love how people voted that 'they don't know'.

haha.

[quote=cosmo]:lol: I love how people voted that 'they don't know'.

haha.[/quote]

Well, I know many people who aren't sure where they fall in because they have views of certain issues that are not in agreement with all the beliefs of one party. Sure they could choose moderate, but I guess they don't feel comfortable labelling themselves as that.

Two-: Good point about "change" haha :D

voting party

when you say liberal, conservative etc it depends on what part of the world we all are located cause one countries liberal is not anothers.. i would classify myself as a widespread liberal only cause i like change, progression etc and am prepared to back it. what are your generalisations for each definition for voting?????

[quote=two-]progressive muzik is about "change" how could you be conservative??? :evil:[/quote]

Because government has nothing to do with music dimwit.

You can't really express political doctrine by using left or right. I'm libertarian--which means i'm left and right. But i am much different than a moderate. You have to use that stupid box model that everyone uses when they take poli-sci. In one corner of the box is classical-liberal/anarchist and in the oposite corner is communism/totalitarianism. And then in one of the remaining corners goes classical republican and in the other fascist.

[b]CLASSICAL-LIBERAL[/b]You hate the government and you don't believe humans shouldn't really be organized at all (can't exist in its pure form) Libertarians are conservative anarchists. If you believe you have nearly unlimited social freedom and you believe your money belongs to you and you hate the gov but see it as a necessary evil. You value private property, and you won't give up any freedoms unless it is temporary during time of war or humantarian strife. You prefer federalism and you believe human organization should be carried out on a local level.

[b]COMMUNIST (CLASSICAL REPUBLICAN)[/b]You believe the government runs everything and no one is independent (can't exist in pure form) If you believe that private property is morally wrong, if you believe that the federal government should assign people jobs, if you believe everyone should make the same amount of money, you are a communist.

[b]MODERN LIBERAL[/b] If you believe that you should have nearly unlimited social freedoms but you believe that money and business should be heavily regulated and controlled you are a liberal. You believe that politicians must be disinterested (the most have everything already so they don't fall victim to bribery). You believe that free enterprise and private property are tolerable but not desirable. You prefer a big central government.

[b]MODERN CONSERVATIVE[/b]You believe that business should be free but you believe that humans must be controlled with some form of social legislation. You like private property but aren't big on unlimited individuality and freedom of expression except through business. You emphasize conformity.

My political ideologies aren't even account for on the poll choices and consequently neither are the ideologies of our founding fathers.

As everyone knows i hate the modern day democrat party because it panders to people to get votes and has become FUBAR in recent years. The problem with the democratic party is it houses a bunch of incognito communists called soccer moms!!!!!! The family oriented woman who believes in safety over business, believes in massive social programs, and after school events that everyone should participate in, and war on drugs and television censorship, and no gun ownership and .... and.... and..... Since the democratic party panders to all people equally, they end up passing economically restrictive and social restrictive legislation at the same time!!!!!! They are just really good at disguising it.

And if you don't believe they play both sides then why do they always vote for things and then act ashamed of them :lol: They vote for Iraq and Afghanistan and then they act ashamed of their country and have this look on their face like :unsure: gee wilikers we never knew war was this bad; they vote for the RAVE act and then they act like the world is coming to an end. They strenghten the RIAA and to keep the liberal recording industry and hollywood happy. Then the bash republicans for imprisoning grandparents and teenagers.

And all the while they pray to god that their largely libertarian minority voters who hate cops, politicians, taxes and all other government institutions will never wake up and realize they are voting for the wrong party.

[quote]progressive muzik is about "change" how could you be conservative??? :evil: [/quote]

Funny I was thinking the same thing the other day, how can samone with such an open mind to understand electronic music and still be conservative??

[quote=Troklo][quote]progressive muzik is about "change" how could you be conservative??? :evil: [/quote]

Funny I was thinking the same thing the other day, how can samone with such an open mind to understand electronic music and still be conservative??[/quote]

Don't judge a person from their political affiliations.

Some people are brought up with parents with a particular view and never question what they've been told... Some people hold their view like their religion, never letting go no matter how things change or what facts are brought to light. Some people question their views and are constanylu learning, progressing and evolving.

Perhaps they looked at the conservative movement and thought it was the answer to the world's problems!

Love thy Conservative brothers :YeaRight: It really pissed them off :CrackUp:

[quote=Troklo][quote]progressive muzik is about "change" how could you be conservative??? :evil: [/quote]

Funny I was thinking the same thing the other day, how can samone with such an open mind to understand electronic music and still be conservative??[/quote]

Why don't you read the post above yours and actually learn something. Its because I had an open mind that I fell in love with electronic music. Its also because of that that I have 'more' conservative beliefs then liberal. I used to be more democratic in high school before I actually became politically educated. But that, in no way, means I don't have 'any' liberal beliefs. Its just like lexicon said, democrats now and days are completely FUBAR. It used to be that the liberal's were the ones that hated the government and over-taxation. Now, the democrats aren't happy unless 1000 new laws are passed all the time. More laws don't help the situation, it makes it worse.

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." -Thomas Jefferson

"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." -Thomas Paine, "Common Sense", 1776

"The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along, paying heavy taxes for which they get nothing in return." -Gore Vidal

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." -George Washington

Right on lexicon with that SOCCER MOM!! analogy. :Bingo: That is exactly right too. And you did a good job explaining the branches. I used to be so liberal in high school that I was an anarchist. Just like in the movie SLC Punk. God, I love that movie. It roxx. But just like in that movie, I learned to understand that everything has a system, and that system governs life. Even if there was no government or no system in place, everyone will still be governed by something ideological. Thats life. And so, government is a necessary evil, but I still hate it.

What's the point in arguing about politics. It's not like you're going to change anyone's views. Politics should be highly personal. Support the doctrine that suits your needs best. As far as I'm concerned I'm floating somewhere on the left side. Don't know how to make it clear to Americans as American left is a lot more right wing that European left. I'm pretty much in favour of heavy taxation to support a widely developed social security and basically a fair amount of government paternalism to correct the most stringent inequalities, so you can't pigeonhole me to the options in the poll.

[quote=delirious]Some people hold their view like their religion, never letting go no matter how things change or what facts are brought to light. Some people question their views and are constanylu learning, progressing and evolving.[/quote]

:Bullshit: Please, for the love of god, take at least one poli-sci class at a respectable institution before you die. Neither conservatives nor liberals are moving forward.....in fact the are both moving backwards towards totalitarianism.

Liberals have turned all animals, trees, and land back over to the king. And the support a feudal business arrangement.

Consevatives ask you to behave and believe in something higher than yourself..... unfortunately many have used the gov. to accomplish it.

Neither ideology is moving forward, all political frontiers have been pioneered. All people are doing these days is finding new innovative ways to justify antiquated political orientations.

Since i am a libertarian i am slightly more conservative than liberal. But its not because i want to use the government to control people. I simply don't see how my life will ever be enhanced by hearing explitives on network tv, or allowing the KKK to speak at public universities, or by watching porn before 10pm. :P People are still mainly free even with limitations, i watch HBO all the time which is porn and explitives, so most conservative legislation is easily circumvented by individual choice. Liberals are just afraid of the moral crusaders who represent a tiny minority of the population. But if they were actually true to their creed; they would respect their opinions and bend over backwards to help them.

[quote=mylexicon][quote=delirious]Some people hold their view like their religion, never letting go no matter how things change or what facts are brought to light. Some people question their views and are constanylu learning, progressing and evolving.[/quote]

:Bullshit: Please, for the love of god, take at least one poli-sci class at a respectable institution before you die. Neither conservatives nor liberals are moving forward.....in fact the are both moving backwards towards totalitarianism.[/quote]

Please start reading for content. I never said conservatives or liberals are moving forward. I said [b]"Some people question their views and are constanylu learning, progressing and evolving."[/b] :roll:

[quote=mylexicon][quote=two-]progressive muzik is about "change" how could you be conservative??? :evil:[/quote]

Because government has nothing to do with music dimwit.[/quote]

Exactly.

Plus it's just a label anyways. The conservative faction in America are the ones who went to war. Not a very "conservative" move now is?

[quote=delirious] Please start reading for content. I never said conservatives or liberals are moving forward. I said [b]"Some people question their views and are constanylu learning, progressing and evolving."[/b] :roll:[/quote]

[quote=I]..........all political frontiers have been pioneered. All people are doing these days is finding new innovative ways to justify antiquated political orientations.[/quote]

Are semantics the only thing you have to argue about when it comes to politics........it gets tiresome and it's not productive.

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Tastes like chicken.

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although i'm not american and i could care less about their political crap... its fuckin' funny to see all the answers seriously.. if you are a REPUBLICAN just fuckin' say it! why the bullshit of saying "oh like i'm not right-wing nor liberal but i like these political views" if you are a fucking rep just fucking say it.

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Im a communist nazi jew. no joke...

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libertarian. which for the non-US folk means socially liberal, and conservative in crime, economics, labor relations, and security. slightly right of the middle. i embrace quite a few ideas from liberals, including affordable and heavily regulated medical feilds, enviormental conservation, and freedoms on the social end. but with the conservative approach of handling them. example. legalize pot, regualte it like booze. DWI's, etc. but no more leinient stances when the freedoms are breached and cause harm.. you get into an accident while stoned or drunk, you better be ready to deal with the consequences. jailtime. and if you hurt or kill someone, you should be punished as if you were drunk.

or another example, one which nearly landed me in jail, social rights amoung others, (protesting). if you want to protest, get a permit and stay where they allow it. while you have the right to voice your opinion, you have zero rights to, a. disrupt others lives (like sitting in front of penn station during the RNC and causing a few million people to be late to work, or screaming in my face which leads me to break your nose and get hauled off to central booking in manhatten)., or b. destroy property or prohibit others from thier normal lives.

neither party has a monopoly on the "correct way to do things, in fact, we need a healthy representation of both sides within gov't. for various reasons. if the democrats had complete control on the economy, it goes unchecked and destroys small business. on the other hand, a complete republican control would lead to a downfall of union labor's abuses.

things like immigration, i feel that the latin american illegals here within the USA, can stay, but they must file for legalization, and immedietly, and those who dont, must leave ASAP. you are here, do things the way we do them. and furthermore, base the penalties on the businesses here when the openly ignore the laws. dont send a few million latins to jail, just deport them. more than half of the latin american GDV (gross domestic value) is from american money tax free, while they continue to utilize our roads, socail services and shools. change the law about birthing a child here, so that illegals who openly work without parpers and taxation must leave, even with children here, this can be done through the already established shool systems and social workers. if you attend school, your parents must show their social security numbers. if not, report them.

one other big thing i think about often is what really "grinds my gears" is the social welfare programs, i have a few major points, 1. illegals cant have it. not at all. you dont pay in, you cant receive.. 2. and this is the republican side of me, limit it. limit it to 3 months at a time, and you can only file for 24 months in a lifetime with no two periods of 3 full months occuring within one calendar year. this will encourage people to look for jobs, even mcdonalds pays minimum wage. and 3. help them find jobs, dont just check to see if they are looking, but keep your eyes open, and point them in the direction of a job. after that, say goodbye to all social payments unless they are a result of mental or physical retardation and the person is incapable of work. this will not apply to drug addicts. if you are disabled due to drug use, its your own fault.

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[quote=thesightless;468315]libertarian. which for the non-US folk means socially liberal, and conservative in crime, economics, labor relations, and security. slightly right of the middle. i embrace quite a few ideas from liberals, including affordable and heavily regulated medical feilds, enviormental conservation, and freedoms on the social end, but there is more./[/quote] i really doubt that ...you a liberal? lmao

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you an asshat? definetly. ask those who meet me, and have actually talked to me. until then, shut up. i am quite liberal on many many topics.

i unlike you can form an opinoin based on facts, not just feeling. i have shown that, you have shown you took one college level course in sociology.

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[quote=thesightless;468315] example. legalize pot, regualte it like booze. DWI's, etc. but no more leinient stances when the freedoms are breached and cause harm.. you get into an accident while stoned or drunk, you better be ready to deal with the consequences. jailtime. and if you hurt or kill someone, you should be punished as if you were drunk.

or another example, one which nearly landed me in jail, social rights amoung others, (protesting). if you want to protest, get a permit and stay where they allow it. while you have the right to voice your opinion, you have zero rights to, a. disrupt others lives (like sitting in front of penn station during the RNC and causing a few million people to be late to work, or screaming in my face which leads me to break your nose and get hauled off to central booking in manhatten)., or b. destroy property or prohibit others from thier normal lives.

neither party has a monopoly on the "correct way to do things, in fact, we need a healthy representation of both sides within gov't. for various reasons. if the democrats had complete control on the economy, it goes unchecked and destroys small business. on the other hand, a complete republican control would lead to a downfall of union labor's abuses.

things like immigration, i feel that the latin american illegals here within the USA, can stay, but they must file for legalization, and immedietly, and those who dont, must leave ASAP. you are here, do things the way we do them. and furthermore, base the penalties on the businesses here when the openly ignore the laws. dont send a few million latins to jail, just deport them. more than half of the latin american GDV (gross domestic value) is from american money tax free, while they continue to utilize our roads, socail services and shools. change the law about birthing a child here, so that illegals who openly work without parpers and taxation must leave, even with children here, this can be done through the already established shool systems and social workers. if you attend school, your parents must show their social security numbers. if not, report them.

one other big thing i think about often is what really "grinds my gears" is the social welfare programs, i have a few major points, 1. illegals cant have it. not at all. you dont pay in, you cant receive.. 2. and this is the republican side of me, limit it. limit it to 3 months at a time, and you can only file for 24 months in a lifetime with no two periods of 3 full months occuring within one calendar year. this will encourage people to look for jobs, even mcdonalds pays minimum wage. and 3. help them find jobs, dont just check to see if they are looking, but keep your eyes open, and point them in the direction of a job. after that, say goodbye to all social payments unless they are a result of mental or physical retardation and the person is incapable of work. this will not apply to drug addicts. if you are disabled due to drug use, its your own fault.[/quote]

man you are right about quite a bit here but your example is wrong DWI is an aggravating circumstance not a mitigating one in a Court case

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not at all. a car, often times, is far more deadly than any gun can be. personally i saw an entire family wiped out in one shot because some asshole was wasted driving the wrong way on the southrn state parkway. [URL]http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news&id=4623873[/URL]

you know what you are doing, so bear the responsibility, this utter lack of understanding is why the US has such a high DWI rate. i say lower the drinking age to 18, let people handle themselves with some responsibility once and for all. yes, certain cases will always be "circumstancial", which is why we need to enact laws based upon blood alchohol levels, so that the guy who has a beer with his steak isnt tried like the guy goes to a bar for 8 hours and drives the wrong way on a highway, but also, we need to allow people to learn to respect booze. if you give your 18 year old a buncha drinks, and drive them. that is fine. they will learn something earlier.

until people realize tha tcompromise, along with the idea that you can do whatver you want, as long as you dont do it to harm another human, is the only way, we wont get anywhere.

great example, and ill use my own beleifs on the topic is the gay marriage debate. there are a ton of factors. the gay side needs to realize that for all they demand that they be accepted, they cannot demand that other mentally repsect them, legally yes, but everyone who is anti gay is allowed to be. (until they do harm).

but the so called religous right, is so off base on thier protrayal of gays it is sickening. how can a group of people, who stress equal treatment and peace between humans, deny a human the basic human right to a union. so what if both humans have a cock or a cooter. who cares. seriously, mike poto, and i love the guy, is openly gay, but does the fact that his boyfriend has a dick mean anything to me? not in the slightest. for all i care, they are two really nice people. and that is all that should matter.

but on the opposite end of the spetrum, gays cannot demand a religously based sacrament called marriage, but they can and should demand every fucking right we all have. so why do as jersey did? (which IMHO, is the best idea) and give what we call civil unions, which extend to the GLBT community every right in regards to taxation, adoption, etc that any hetero couple has? if we want to be technical, marriage is a sacrament, and being gay prevents you from truly being a particiapnt in any of the three major religions, so therefore, they are not entitled to the sacrament anyway/

obviously long winded and a bit simplified at the same time, but hey, at least i try.

Re: Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

Moderate. I'm stuck in the middle of the road so I get run over a lot.

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[quote=thesightless;468335]you an asshat? definetly. ask those who meet me, and have actually talked to me. until then, shut up. i am quite liberal on many many topics.

i unlike you can form an opinoin based on facts, not just feeling. i have shown that, you have shown you took one college level course in sociology.[/quote]

its all right mate I didn't say you weren't a liberal I just thought that it didnt make any sense get over it.

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I agree with Jenks. It all tastes like Chicken.

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It happens in Hungary, too. The 'right-wing' leader is considered very popular among the young population for some reason. He started his political career as the leader of a very liberal party, then in order to fill a power vacuum left by the death of the first prime minister of Hungary since the fall of the soviet regime, he somehow transformed himself into the leader of a now right-wing party. He gained power in '98, but lost it in 2002, and made an unsuccessful attempt at regaining it in 2006. The funny thing is that he and his party now say things even hardcore communists wouldn't dare. And he is still beloved by the same youth that have 'fallen in love' with him during his conservative right-wing stint. 16 year olds wept in the night of the elections as he delivered his concession of defeat speech in 2002.

Re: Where do you fall on the political spectrum?

I'm pro cookies.