Just read this in a Dutch news source: he's coming home to sign another fucking law that should save the life of Theresa Schiavo, who has been in a coma for the past 15 years.

This is unbelieveable, so unbefuckinglieveable that it is news over here before I can find anything in english about it. Those are the people that are accusing my country of being over-liberal or pagans for passing a law on euthanasia, and they make that woman nothing more than a tool in their arguments to have their faith rule over law. Fuck that, it's a disgrace, and yes I'm pissed off so it may all sound a bit harsh now.

I know there's a few (or more) religious people in here, and I do hope they realise that I have nothing against their belief. It's the people trying to impose it on society by manipulation of the law that I despise.

For those who can read Dutch: [url=http://www.nu.nl/news/499320/22/Bush_breekt_vakantie_af_om_comapati%EBnte_te_redden.html] Click Here [/url]

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English article from BBC Website

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4365331.stm[/url]

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[b]Congress to debate patient's fate[/b]

US President George W Bush has cut short a holiday in Texas so that he can sign legislation to intervene in the case of a brain-damaged American woman.

On Friday, doctors removed the feeding tube keeping Terri Schiavo, 41, alive, following a ruling by a Florida court.

She is expected to die within two weeks if the decision is not overturned.

Congressional Republicans have drafted a bill for the House of Representatives to debate on Sunday that would ask a federal judge to review the case.

"We should investigate every avenue before we take the life of a living human being," House Majority Leader Tom DeLay said.

Mrs Schiavo lapsed into what doctors say is a persistent vegetative state after her heart stopped beating temporarily in 1990.

Mrs Schiavo's parents have spent seven years fighting to keep her alive. Her husband Michael, her legal guardian, has petitioned to let her die.

Mr Schiavo, who has since started a family with another woman, says his wife would not want to be kept alive in her current condition.

[b]Rival pleas[/b]

Saturday's moves followed last-minute efforts earlier this week by Republicans in Congress to stop the removal of the feeding tube.

Mr Schiavo criticised the attempts.

"They should be ashamed of themselves," he said in an interview with CBS television before the news of the congressional deal.

"Leave my wife alone. Leave me alone."

Mrs Schiavo's mother, for her part, pleaded with officials and lawmakers to save her daughter's life.

"Please, please, please, save my little girl," Mary Schindler said outside the Florida hospice where her daughter lives.

Supporters kept up their vigil outside the building.

Three people were arrested after they symbolically tried to smuggle in bread and water, the Associated Press reports.

The case has galvanised activists from both sides of the euthanasia debate.

The feeding tube has been removed twice before. Both times campaigners successfully launched moves to have it replaced.

The president's spokesman said Mr Bush intended to sign legislation "as quickly as possible once it is passed".

"This is about defending life," Scott McClellan said.

Mrs Schiavo suffered brain damage after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

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I was watching the news and the husband made a good point. These people who don't know anything about them (the Shiavos) are making the decision on whether Terri should live or die. This is why we need to make living wills more common in this country...

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True Stott, and thanx Dave.

I just can't believe christian fundamentalists are pushing their norms & values to the public though this 'hijacking' of the state in the form of their puppet, Bush. They use this woman to get legislation in their favour.

The woman is in a vegetative state, that means even if she wakes up (which is highly doubtful due to the brain damage) she will never have a normal life again. Plus, after 15 years of laying down, there's no more muscle tissue left, she'll be suffering greatly from decubitus wounds and what more. I can't believe her parents want her to suffer even more after all this, they're either religious fanatics or plain sadistic.

I hope she dies before those morons can have that tube put back in here, and may finally rest in peace.

Oh, and one more thing: if it is actually religious fanatics trying to prevent her death, I'm totally astonished by the contradiction in their behaviour. They want people to live by their God's rules, then let them die by his rules. Not that of machines.

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I think another interesting part of this case if the question of who decides whether this women should die? The husband or the parents? Who is more important? and ya, this whole thing has spiraled totally out of control. if bush is so pro freedom, he should let people choose to die.

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[quote=ok67u4]if bush is so pro freedom, he should let people choose to die.[/quote] Great point! Republicans constantly preach 'less government intervention' yet somehow feel the need to intervene on the parents' behalf. Why? It was her wish to die. Legally her husband has the final say so. Let the woman die in peace like she wanted. A fucking vote at 12:01am, aren't there more important things to be concerned with than steroids and feeding tubes? How about the war/weak dollar/inflation concerns/gas prices/healthcare/<insert domestic concern here>?

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[quote=skahound][quote=ok67u4]if bush is so pro freedom, he should let people choose to die.[/quote] Great point! Republicans constantly preach 'less government intervention' yet somehow feel the need to intervene on the parents' behalf. Why? It was her wish to die. Legally her husband has the final say so. Let the woman die in peace like she wanted. A fucking vote at 12:01am, aren't there more important things to be concerned with than steroids and feeding tubes? How about the war/weak dollar/inflation concerns/gas prices/healthcare/<insert domestic concern here>?[/quote]

They feel the need to intervene to prove how pro life they are. That scumbag Delay is getting a lot of credits for this crap now :evil:

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I don't know what the fuck is going on in this country anymore. How can the population be so duped into supporting the loss of rights such as we haven't seen in years?? We've fought so hard to get so much and here we are, just pissing it away.

The nation slowly but surely dies; complacency has won.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/20/schiavo/index.html] House passes Bill, Bush signs [/url]

:BangHead:

Way to go, sadistic religious pigs.

:Crucify: Here's one for you.

I could imagine Michael either taking it into his own hands (killing her) or just stopping the fight and letting it all drop, taking his distance and just leaving Terri with her parents. In his case, I wouldn't want to have anything to to with that circus anymore. Move to a country where politics are les dominated by religious fanatics, for instance. I can't believe those ego?stic pigs think they have a righ to keep someone alive under such inhumane circumstances.

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Well, thankfully all this bill does is allow the Federal Courts to make the decision over the Florida court. As Representative Wexler mentioned in his opening remarks, 19 different judges have made a decision on this case so hopefully the precedent will have some lingering effect. This whole situation amounts to political grandstanding and I, for one, am petrified as to what this means for my future as an American citizen.

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I saw Michael Schiavo saying on TV today, that the parents had said that even if they were told by Terri herself that she wouldn't want to live like that, they would've kept her alive, because THEY want her to stay alive. The parents actually said that.

Says enough to me.

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Bah,,, this one SO difficult... she is not completely brain dead, and her family wants her alive, but her husband should have the Power of Attorney over her if there is no will written in stone.. this one's tough cause if they let her go, it sets the standard for assissted suicide. i feel terrible for everyone involved, but mostly for Terri.

'the one thing that really irks me is that her husband MIGHT be hiding something and he definetly has something to gain. 15 years ago, when they won the malpractice suit and started to get thier payments from escro, he ""allegedly"" spent some of the money on personal items and not on the care. when this was brought up, he claims he lost the bills for the care, so the courts requested the records from the hospital, hospital said no bills were issued, so me thinks he really just looking for the proceeds from the malpractice suits. he forgoes the insurance if she dies after tube is pulled. FUCKED UP>

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[quote=thesightless]Bah,,, this one SO difficult... she is not completely brain dead, and her family wants her alive, but her husband should have the Power of Attorney over her if there is no will written in stone.. this one's tough cause if they let her go, it sets the standard for assissted suicide. i feel terrible for everyone involved, but mostly for Terri.[/quote]

The commonly made mistake here is, it's not su?cide or euthanasia at all. Those require active intervention, whilst what is asked here is to stop the intervention to keep someone alive. It is removal of a treatment, passive, and can therefore legally not be named su?cide or euthanasia as far as I know. Maybe it's different over there, I don't know.

[quote=thesightless]the one thing that really irks me is that her husband MIGHT be hiding something and he definetly has something to gain. 15 years ago, when they won the malpractice suit and started to get thier payments from escro, he ""allegedly"" spent some of the money on personal items and not on the care. when this was brought up, he claims he lost the bills for the care, so the courts requested the records from the hospital, hospital said no bills were issued, so me thinks he really just looking for the proceeds from the malpractice suits. he forgoes the insurance if she dies after tube is pulled. FUCKED UP>[/quote]

That is irky yes...sometimes there is more to the story than we know, but on the other hand it could be an attempt to discredit the man, too...

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Not knowing what her thoughts were one way or the other I would error on the side of allowing her to live especially when this move by the federal government allows a federal court to review the case. I see nothing wrong with that. Typically I would rather have the feds stay out of the state's issues, but if we are giving this one more shot then let them stake their claims once more, if it is all solid then that should stand. (which I think it pretty much will stand)

It's sad that she is lying there for 15 years and not able to do much, but what loss is it for the husband if her parents want to care for her? Personnelly that wouldn't happen in my family, I know they wouldnt be able to pay for it, I don't know anyone's family that could.

If the husband is so intent on doing what he thinks she wants then that is another matter, it's too bad she didn't fill out a living will. Maybe we could have this marked on our driver licenses like we have for being organ donors (I personnally am not marked as an organ donor, I would also not mark myself for DNR=do not resuscitate) but if that was her living wish to have it worked out this way then so be it. Maybe I would think differently if I had a chance to experience this thing more personnelly but right now it looks like another review would be OK. :?:

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The husband has received 2 offers to turn control over to the Schindlers. He's been offered $1M and $15M, both offers from attornies if I'm not mistaken.

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I think I remember reading or hearing there has already been 19 court 'reviews' on this case....that is more than enough IMHO.

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I think its actually Bill Frist who's behind a lot of the hub-bug up "on the hill".

Here's some food for thought, its called the Texas Futile Care Law. Check this out:

[url]http://donsingleton.blogspot.com/2005/03/unhooked-from-life-support.html[/url]

unbelievable! just shows the clear duplicity of Bush.

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Damn it does...this is very much strengthening Michael's case...but you know that they're gonna do now: stall the process in the courts, until he gives up...

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[quote=Yao].but you know that they're gonna do now: stall the process in the courts, until he gives up...[/quote] He hasn't given up in 15 years, he's got his wife's wishes keeping him motivated.

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These fucking sickos are beyond belief. Just let the woman die with dignity. :(

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If I have to see her face on tv one more time! The media drowns us in images until we are cold hearted and callous (sp?).

The thing that I find fascinating about all this is that I think these same pro-lifers argue that abortion is not natural and its not what "god" would want. Life support is not natural and i doubt that if there were a god he/she would want that either. There's a point when technology is useless and inappropriate.

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This might be slightly off topic, and I don't mean to sound callous, but who is paying her medical bills? Just a one night stay in a hospital bed can be quite expensive. Is all of her care insured?

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Medical Costs for both Mike S. and Terri's parents is not a problem. But at the moment Mike is paying.

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[quote]Not knowing what her thoughts were one way or the other I would error on the side of allowing her to live especially when this move by the federal government allows a federal court to review the case. I see nothing wrong with that. Typically I would rather have the feds stay out of the state's issues, but if we are giving this one more shot then let them stake their claims once more, if it is all solid then that should stand. (which I think it pretty much will stand)[/quote] The fact that the government is "stepping in" is absurd. Someone already said this here but, HELLO, there are some real issues for them to be concerned about before they all recess for spring break. Do not get me started on why the f**k they get a spring break. You really want them telling you how to die? You really want the 'fedreal' court to rule on how you have to remain alive? That is what they are doing to this poor woman.

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i think this is a ploy to take peoples' minds off of the war in iraq. lets all butt our heads into somebody else's business and letthe media and hippies run with it and inflate the issue by 100 fold. i don't want to know about what happens to this woman and neither should anyone else that doesn't know her. for fuck's sake USA, drop it already and get back to the BIGGER ISSUES.

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If so, they're doing a great job...

On the other hand, this is dealing with some elemental questions in society, which have to be answered IMO. Any decision on this matter will influence the way the constitution will be explained in the future too, I think it touches the core of society and the way it deals with human/personal rights and death in general...

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Looks like the 11th Circuit has again denied the Schindler family's request to intervene. I so hope we can just let this poor woman die in peace now -- what should have been a private matter has been blown into an absolute circus. What a shame...