Every single one of those scumbags who are pushing for res 568, should be arrested and charged with treason,

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/house-votes-this-week-to-_b_1513492.html[/URL]

And the rot continues.

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Iran, adjective, adjective, scumbags, adjective, treason. the end.

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So we have a lobby goup called AIPAC, described by some as the most powerful in the US, using everything at it's diposal to help "persuade" those on Capital Hill in getting the US involved in yet another war.

And your only concern is the language that I use?

How about giving us your thoughts on how another Israeli/Jewish/ "war", will be of any benifit to the US, and it's citizens.

Oh let me guess, you also find the words Israel/Jewish and war in the same sentence offensive too?

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I could say that I have scientific proof Ahmadinejad is the cause of AIDS, cancer, global warming, every shooting death which has ever occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq, and also was the guy who personally shot JFK and you would still want to be on his side because you want to hate anything "Western/Israeli" more than anything else.

...So I say...whats the point in wasting my time? ;)

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;1041106]I could say that I have scientific proof Ahmadinejad is the cause of AIDS, cancer, global warming, every shooting death which has ever occurred in Afghanistan and Iraq, and also was the guy who personally shot JFK and you would still want to be on his side because you want to hate anything "Western/Israeli" more than anything else.

...So I say...whats the point in wasting my time? ;)[/QUOTE]

You could say and do anything you want Reso, that's your choice to make. But it doesn't change a thing on this topic and the facts remain.

Res 568 is being shoved down the throats of those on Capital Hill and it basically spells out "war" against Iran for the benefit of Israel and Israel only.

And there is absolutely nothing good that can become of it, for the greater good of the American people or for the rest of the world for that matter.

This is the harsh reality of it all and if this ugly truth truly offends you than so be it.

I ask of your thoughts on this very important issue in a civil manner and instead what I got back is something that we're used to seeing on Fox News.

Attack, attack the individual and never engage the subject or issue at hand. Obviously this tactic is still being used by yourself and others but it is getting a little stale and perhaps a refresher course is needed.

So how about giving us your opinion on the issue, than instead of 'wasting' your time with personal attacks?

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MSNBC does the exact same thing on matters of personal attacks and skirting the actual issues (though I admit Fox is the most hawkish among them). Israel has always been in the middle of a powder keg, and the US has always been an ally. It may take a false flag nuke against the US before that ever changes (not that the truth would ever be known, so then the world could finally be laid to rest from its miserable existence). At the same time, Israel does have neighbors who don't think it should exist, so the animosities will continue until kingdom come.

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^ You may be right in terms of a nuke, mimi nuke being used, it's not something that's out of the question and has been disussed in the past. But that's all just differences of opinion.

On the other hand we had the USS liberty, Lavon affair and others which are facts and cannot be denied. This is what we are dealing with right now and as a matter of fact, we have one of the most powerful lobby groups in the US called APAIC pushing for yet another totally unjust "war" and for the benefit of Israel alone. And not a word in the media or by any elected officials speaking out against them and their actions.

Another issue unfolding as we speak concerns the US listed terror group called the MEK. That in itself is another huge story which requires it's own thread.

My point is, the US doesn't need to look any further than it's own front yard, for those who are wishing or seeking to do her real harm. The real threat is the enemies from within, they wear their colours openly and make absolutely no attempt in hiding who they are or what they have planned.

It's a discussion that has to be had and many out their are too scared to even mention it, for the fear of being labled a so and so.

Below is a link to another important report which also "failed" to do the rounds on the MSM.

[URL]http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/aipac-posterizes-obama-in-senate-100-0.html[/URL]

It's crazy and I really do hope that another huge tragedy isn't needed, before the people start to wake up to the real and present dangers that the US is facing.

We are dealing with a very powerful lobby group that has absolutely ZERO loyalty for the US and her citizens. Period.

And don't just take my word for it, simply check the links that I have posted and continue on from there. The sheer amount of open and public treason knows no bounds.

You seriously can't make this stuff up.

They hate us because of our freedoms.

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MEK?? I have a pair of those.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/aK7kZ.jpg[/img]

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[QUOTE=dig72;1041176]^ You may be right in terms of a nuke, mimi nuke being used, it's not something that's out of the question and has been disussed in the past. But that's all just differences of opinion.

On the other hand we had the USS liberty, Lavon affair and others which are facts and cannot be denied. This is what we are dealing with right now and as a matter of fact, we have one of the most powerful lobby groups in the US called APAIC pushing for yet another totally unjust "war" and for the benefit of Israel alone. And not a word in the media or by any elected officials speaking out against them and their actions.

Another issue unfolding as we speak concerns the US listed terror group called the MEK. That in itself is another huge story which requires it's own thread.

My point is, the US doesn't need to look any further than it's own front yard, for those who are wishing or seeking to do her real harm. The real threat is the enemies from within, they wear their colours openly and make absolutely no attempt in hiding who they are or what they have planned.

It's a discussion that has to be had and many out their are too scared to even mention it, for the fear of being labled a so and so.

Below is a link to another important report which also "failed" to do the rounds on the MSM.

[URL]http://mondoweiss.net/2011/12/aipac-posterizes-obama-in-senate-100-0.html[/URL]

It's crazy and I really do hope that another huge tragedy isn't needed, before the people start to wake up to the real and present dangers that the US is facing.

We are dealing with a very powerful lobby group that has absolutely ZERO loyalty for the US and her citizens. Period.

And don't just take my word for it, simply check the links that I have posted and continue on from there. The sheer amount of open and public treason knows no bounds.

You seriously can't make this stuff up.

They hate us because of our freedoms.[/QUOTE] Coming from someone who has been supportive and cognizant of Israel's position in the past, I am beginning to see it, too, though I can't [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=969"]blame[/URL] the entire country (just certain string-pullers). The holocaust is still too fresh in the mind of many and cries about antisemitism will unfortunately continue to be a tool used to silence those who don't adopt an Israel First mindset or policy. It seems that catastrophe can't be avoided and that short of a revolution, this will be official governmental policy. It's another reason why Ron Paul makes sense to me with his hands off approach, cutting aid to the full swath of the Middle East and letting them act and defend (Israel included) autonomously. I don't know how well that would work in the real world ultimately (it would at least minimally help our dire financial situation and would require a serious ramping up of domestic energy), but for all the clamoring for change during the last election cycle, something like it is long overdue.

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^ Ron Paul was never, ever going to defeat any of the other republican candidates vying for the position of top dog. As far as I'm concerned, he is wasting his supporters money, time and effort for basically nothing.

He should have bailed a long time ago and started a third party. So now it is over for Ron Paul and the only thing for him to do, is support his son Rand in his quest for something greater than his old man.

And in April this year, it was reported that Ron Paul stated that he would support moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. This statement alone should be ringing alarm bells. So all this talk in regards to his 'hands off approach' in the Middle is ultimately nothing more than dribble as far as myself and many others are concerned.

He may very well have been a much better leader, in terms of US foreign policy and the serving of America's national interests, rather than the current bunch of scumbags who reside on capital hill. But that hope is all gone now and we will never really know.

We are all just going to have to endure many more years of open treason, criminality and do so with no end in sight.

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Location[COLOR=#EEEEEE]Australia [/COLOR] Are you having an out of body experience? You always talk like you are living in Kansas.

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^ Whenever the US farts, we folks down under get to smell what it is you've had for dinner last night. And let me tell ya, it aint pretty.

I really wish it didn't have to be this way but the criminals in charge of 'your' nation have other plans. So it always pays to stay informed, with what's going on in your neck of the woods. ;)

It took me around two minutes to find these recent acts of murder, destruction committed by your "leaders" and in your name.

[URL]http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/05/27/243311/usled-airstrike-kills-afghan-civilians/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18218238[/URL]

[URL]http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/228459-sen-lieberman-white-house-inching-closer-to-military-response-in-syria[/URL]

[URL]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2ZJydLO76E3-sqWyYcgvEQLrwzQ?docId=0a23956d4c8e4604ae7e03f9f96bcdd2[/URL]

[URL]http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=271543[/URL]

[URL]http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/23/11839215-pakistan-official-us-drone-strike-hits-mosque-10-killed[/URL]

[URL]http://tribune.com.pk/story/382836/nato-air-strike-turkey-backs-pakistans-demand-for-us-apology/[/URL]

They hate us for our freedom.

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^lulz. I'm glad the only crimes going on in Aussie land right now are underage Fosters swilling, and of course exporting fucking Paul Hogan. Now there's a war crime.

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Ha, ha.

Not bad Reso, not bad at all.

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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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I don't see a conspiracy around every single Israel-related development, sorry, dig (moving the embassy to Jerusalem, et al).

Also, third parties haven't had any sway here in what seems like centuries. He is building a libertarian-minded movement for the future and making sure the agenda does not get shut out at the convention by picking up a preponderance of delegates. The message he's spreading is not a waste, as the exuberance (and sheer numbers) on display at his speeches has shown repeatedly.

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You need not apologise for the ugly truths that are out there for all to see. And throwing around the word 'conspriracy' won't change them either.

Agreed, third parties haven't had the desired effect as of yet, but I also believe that we're on a road to nowhere with the current two party system.

Yes, Ron Paul's message is not a waste of time, it's just that it is being delivered via the Republican Party and therein lies the problem.

What other options do we have?

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[QUOTE=dig72;1043027] What other options do we have?[/QUOTE]

Party!

:Twilo:

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:vuvu:

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I agree with you on everything except the Jerusalem comment, dig. The back-and-forth hostilities in that area of the world have long been overseen by world powers, and this is just a continuation of that.

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That's cool vinnie, constuctive debate/discussion is healthy and believe more of it is needed.

Ron Paul presented himself to be incorruptable and a man unwilling to sell out for either money or votes. He is also very well known for his continued belief and acceptance of the rule of law, no?

He obviously isn't stupid and also understands full well the problems going on over there in the Middle East, especially that of the Israelies and Palestinians.

So why on earth would he make such an absurd and out of character comment like that?

Under international law, Israel has absolutely ZERO legal sovereignty of any part of Jerusalem be it east or west. Period.

Jerusalem is occupied territory and everything from settlements, separation wall, annexing ect, not only violate the Geneva Conventions but are also in breach of international law. This explains why the US embassy in Israel is located in Tel Aviv and not Jerusalem.

These are irrefutable facts.

I believe that for whatever reasons, Ron Paul has finally succumed to AIPAC and other like minded lobby groups, simply because nothing else makes any real sense.

Maybe you could have a go?