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Warren Buffet - Stop Coddling The Super Rich

30 durable postsStarted 2011-08-15Latest 2011-09-04
#105359Post 1 of 30

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=2&smid=tw-nytimesbusiness&seid=auto[/URL]

[quote] Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=1529"]36[/URL] percent. [/quote]

Good op-ed from him today...

[quote] I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone — not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 — shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain. People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off. And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation. [/quote]

#1535433Post 2 of 30

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Mr. Buffett is liable to be labeled a Benedict Arnold for these statements. Wasn't he a part of some effort for the richest in America substantially helping our economy? Whatever happened to that?

#1535453Post 3 of 30

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its still going...

[url]http://givingpledge.org/[/url]

#1535467Post 4 of 30

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D'oh...thats what people have been saying for fucking years...and have been labelled anything from communist to un-american. There is some retarded perception in the US that Taxes are bad m'key...and we can see where it brought the country...hate to sound like a broken tape but the GWB tax cuts really did you no favours. The rich should most definitely be taxed at comparable levels with the rest of the world...but they are not. Thank god you live in a democracy where everyones vote counts equally.

#1535504Post 5 of 30

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[QUOTE=Shpira;981902]hate to sound like a broken tape but the GWB tax cuts really did you no favours. [/quote]

Well obviously.

[QUOTE=Shpira;981902]The rich should most definitely be taxed at comparable levels with the rest of the world...but they are not. .[/QUOTE]

uh huh

#1535505Post 6 of 30

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why can't he just write a check to the IRS?

what a total phaggot. please die. srsly. here's hoping he and soros die in a plane crash together.

#1535510Post 7 of 30

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he is giving away billions and already has and will continue to do more. not enough? lulz

#1535511Post 8 of 30

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also why would he give money to the gov't until they force him to, since they are going to piss it away. it would be much better off to the charity he has setup and put to better use.

#1535519Post 9 of 30

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Mariner, please defend these assholes. I 'd love to hear your reasoning for these rich assholes to continue getting pampered while your middle-class ass continues to get raped. C'mon, show me how they've trained you to beg for more of it. You like it don't ya?

#1535554Post 10 of 30

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[QUOTE=stephen028;981977]Mariner, please defend these assholes. I 'd love to hear your reasoning for these rich assholes to continue getting pampered while your middle-class ass continues to get raped. C'mon, show me how they've trained you to beg for more of it. You like it don't ya?[/QUOTE]

which assholes should I defend? clarify yourself.

also, i'll defend whichever assholes you'd like as soon as you give me approval to rape your mom's asshole (assuming she's solidly middle class)

#1535563Post 11 of 30

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[url]http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11845[/url]

#1535564Post 12 of 30

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;982024]which assholes should I defend? clarify yourself.

also, i'll defend whichever assholes you'd like as soon as you give me approval to rape your mom's asshole (assuming she's solidly middle class)[/QUOTE]

pretty sure he means the billionaire assholes who are paying less percentage in taxes than the assholes making $40k/year.

#1535567Post 13 of 30

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he's talking about the top 3%

#1535568Post 14 of 30

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;982024]which assholes should I defend? clarify yourself.

also, i'll defend whichever assholes you'd like as soon as you give me approval to rape your mom's asshole (assuming she's solidly middle class)[/QUOTE]

not sure how the top 3% are being raped when they pay less % wise than about everyone else in the usa.

#1535584Post 15 of 30

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good read!!

#1535616Post 16 of 30

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" I 'd love to hear your reasoning for these rich assholes to continue getting pampered".

I don't think i can make it clearer. and no permission is not granted. you'll just have to continue sodomizing the poor and immigrants. sorry. :)

#1535649Post 17 of 30

Why tax the rich? All their money trickles down to us amirite?

No? Haha

#1535654Post 18 of 30

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#1535751Post 19 of 30

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Do we really have to go over this again?

Year: 2011 Filing: Head of Household

Taxable Income : Tax Bracket $0 - $12,150 : 10% $12,150 - $46,250 : 15% $46,250 - $119,400 : 25% $119,400 - $193,350 : 28% $193,350 - $379,150 : 33% $379,150 - $above : 35%

The "rich" people democrats are trying to get the majority of Americans to hate, those 3% pay more money in taxes each year than the rest of taxpaying Americans combined. Still not enough though right? THE TOP 1% PAYS 38% OF THE TOTAL TAX REVENUE IN A YEAR!!!!!!


Billionaire super-rich Barack Obama fundraiser Warren Buffett went on Bloomberg TV today and named three companies he's thinking of buying: Archer Daniels [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=913"]Midland[/URL], Exelon, and General Dynamics. All three are companies that depend on Big Government for their profits.

General Dynamics is the No. four government contractor for FY 2011.

Exelon counts top Obama aides Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod as consultants, two top Exelon advisors are Obama fundraisers, and the company -- the country's No. 2 nuclear company -- lobbies aggressively for greenhouse gas restraints that will drive more generation to their nuclear plants.

And Archer Daniels [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=913"]Midland[/URL], the ethanol pioneer, is legendary in the realm of public-policy profiteering. ADM profits not only from ethanol subsidies, but also from de facto subsidies for corn syrup and from export subsidies.

So there's a pattern in Buffett's investments making money from destructive policies he supports in the name of the public interest, such as bailouts, laws driving business to ratings agencies, and the death tax.


Warren Buffett’s at it again. He has a column in the New York Times complaining that he has been coddled by the tax code and that “rich” people should pay higher taxes.

My first instinct is to send Buffett the [URL="http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html"]website[/URL] where people can voluntarily pay extra money to the federal government. I’ve [URL="http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/instead-of-supporting-higher-taxes-rich-leftists-should-deal-with-feelings-of-guilt-by-giving-their-money-to-me/"]made this suggestion to guilt-ridden rich people in the past[/URL]. But I no longer give that advice. I’m worried he might actually do it. And even though Buffett is wildly misguided about fiscal policy, I know he will invest his money much more wisely than Barack Obama will spend it. But Buffett goes beyond guilt-ridden rants in favor of higher taxes. He makes [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1"]specific assertions that are inaccurate[/URL].

"Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=1529"]36[/URL] percent."

His numbers are flawed in two important ways.

  1. When Buffett receives dividends and capital gains, it is true that he pays “only” 15 percent of that money on his tax return. But dividends and capital gains are both forms of double taxation. So if he wants honest effective tax rate numbers, he needs to show the 35 percent corporate tax rate. Moreover, as [URL="http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/warren-buffett-good-investor-crummy-economist/"]I noted in a previous post[/URL], Buffett completely ignores the impact of the death tax, which will result in the federal government seizing 45 percent of his assets. To be sure, Buffett may be engaging in clever tax planning, so it is hard to know the impact on his effective tax rate, but it will be signficant.

  2. Buffett also mischaracterizes the impact of the Social Security payroll tax, which is dedicated for a specific purpose. The law only imposes that tax on income up to about $107,000 per year because the tax is designed so that people “earn” a corresponding retirement benefit (which actually is tilted in favor of low-income workers). Imposing the tax on multi-millionaire income, however, would mean sending rich people giant checks from Social Security when they retire. But nobody thinks that’s a good idea. Or you could apply the payroll tax to all income and not pay any additional benefits. But this would turn Social Security from an “earned benefit” to a redistribution program, which also is widely rejected (though [URL="http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/obamas-embraces-another-class-warfare-proposal-tax-the-rich-is-the-universal-cure/"]the left has been warming to the idea[/URL] in recent years because their hunger for more tax revenue is greater than their support for Social Security).

If we consider these two factors, Buffett’s effective tax rate almost surely is much higher than the burden on any of the people who work for him.

But this entire discussion is a good example of why we should junk the corrupt, punitive, and unfair tax code and replace it with a [URL="http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/the-flat-tax-good-for-america-bad-for-washington/"]simple flat tax[/URL]. With no double taxation and a single, low tax rate, we would know that rich people were paying the right amount, neither too much based on class-warfare tax rates nor too little based on loopholes, deduction, preferences, exemptions, shelters, and credits.

So why doesn’t Buffett endorse this approach?


Yes this guy is kinda terrible and has an annoying nasally voice, but he make 5 very good points.

[video=youtube;XeXPibDuy6M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeXPibDuy6M&feature=player_embedded[/video]

[[URL="http://biggovernment.com/dmitchell/2011/08/16/warren-buffetts-fiscal-innumeracy/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Government%29"]source[/URL]]

I do realize though guys, that some people's minds are made up; no matter what "facts" are presented to them. People who embrace this "hope and change" the obama administration and democratic government is feeding them, have no idea what they are accepting. They will listen and react to whatever democratic media (cnn, msnbc, ect.) tells them to. Here are a few screen captures I've taken off of msnbc over the last couple weeks.

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Tell me they are not trying to push hate on "rich" people in the US, ie. the people who fund, invest, and employ the rest of us. Tell me they are not racists and trying to group whites and "rich" people together. Inflicting hate to a certain race and class through mainstream media. Is this the America you want??? Cause this is what you're getting......

#1535757Post 20 of 30

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Well the people who fund, invest and employ the rest of us and there is a higher income gap than they ever have been in the history of the world. I'm pretty sure if they pay more all of the companies they run and keep us employed are not going to immediately shut their doors and put all of their employees out on the street...

Also for the whole percentage of tax revenue thing...Sure they paid more...A person paying 1% of their $100 billion in taxes is a lot less of a burden than someone paying 50% of their 100k a year right? It's all relative...

#1535760Post 21 of 30

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Did you look at the percentages? They pay a higher percentage of taxes than the lower income brackets. It's not just the $ amount.

Ok, so give me your opinion on how much "rich" people's taxes should increase, percentage wise. Right now it's 33-33%. How much more do you think they should pay?

#1535761Post 22 of 30

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But they aren't paying 35%.....from what the Buffett article says...

[quote]Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors. [/quote]

[quote]Since 1992, the I.R.S. has compiled data from the returns of the 400 Americans reporting the largest income. In 1992, the top 400 had aggregate taxable income of $16.9 billion and paid federal taxes of 29.2 percent on that sum. In 2008, the aggregate income of the highest 400 had soared to $90.9 billion — a staggering $227.4 million on average — but the rate paid had fallen to 21.5 percent. [/quote]

#1535775Post 23 of 30

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"THE TOP 1% PAYS 38% OF THE TOTAL TAX REVENUE IN A YEAR!!!!!!"

this is evidence of the dispairing gap of the class system in america. this is not an indicator of rich people being overtaxed, this is an indicator of how rich the richest in this country really are. the last time the wealth was this divided was 1929. lets's start by having the wealthiest pay what they are supposed to(remove the tax breaks). with our country going through the economic turmoil its going through(foreclosures, vanished 401k's, medicare, ((last 2 labelled entitlements, yet people pay for these services)), and for anyone to justify the wealthiest the luxury of a tax break at this time is flat immoral.

#1535799Post 24 of 30

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class warfare does not exist solely on the left.

#1535808Post 25 of 30

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Australia Taxable income Tax on this income $0 – $6,000 Nil $6,001 – $37,000 15c for each $1 over $6,000 $37,001 – $80,000 $4,650 plus 30c for each $1 over $37,000 $80,001 – $180,000 $17,550 plus 37c for each $1 over $80,000

Canada

Taxable income Tax on this income $0 – $10,320 Nil $10,321 - $40,726 15% $40,727 - $81,452 22% $81,453 - $126,264 26% Over $126,264 29%[3] Each province adds their own tax on top of the federal tax. Provincial / Territorial Tax Rates for 2009

USA

Marginal Tax Rate[8] Single Married Filing Jointly or Qualified Widow(er) Married Filing Separately Head of Household 10% $0 – $8,350 $0 – $16,700 $0 – $8,350 $0 – $11,950 15% $8,351– $33,950 $16,701 – $67,900 $8,351 – $33,950 $11,951 – $45,500 25% $33,951 – $82,250 $67,901 – $137,050 $33,951 – $68,525 $45,501 – $117,450 28% $82,251 – $171,550 $137,051 – $208,850 $68,525 – $104,425 $117,451 – $190,200 33% $171,551 – $372,950 $208,851 – $372,950 $104,426 – $186,475 $190,201 - $372,950 35% $372,951+ $372,951+ $186,476+ $372,951+

UK

Rate Dividend income Savings income Other income (inc employment) Band (above any personal allowance) Lower rate N/A 10% N/A £0 - £2440 applies only if total income falls in this band Basic rate 10% 20% 20% £0 - £37,400 Higher rate 32.5% 40% 40% over £37,400 Additional rate 42.5% 50% 50% over £150,000

Germany

[h=3]Income tax[/h][CENTER][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Income_Tax_Germany_2010.png"][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Income_Tax_Germany_2010.png/220px-Income_Tax_Germany_2010.png[/IMG][/URL][LEFT][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Income_Tax_Germany_2010.png"][IMG]http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.17/common/images/magnify-clip.png[/IMG][/URL] German income tax rate in 2010 as a function of taxable income[/LEFT] [/CENTER]

The rate of income tax in Germany ranges from 0% to 45%. The German income tax is a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax"]progressive tax[/URL], which means that the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rate#Average"]average tax rate[/URL] (i.e., the ratio of tax and taxable income) increases monotonically with increasing [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxable_income"]taxable income[/URL]. Moreover, the German taxation system warrants that an increase in taxable income never results in an decrease of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_income"]net income[/URL] after taxation. The latter property is due to the fact that the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rate#Marginal"]marginal tax rate[/URL] (i.e., the tax paid on one euro additional taxable income) is always below 100%. [h=4][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taxation_in_Germany&action=edit&section=11"]edit[/URL]]Income tax rate in 2010[/h]No [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax"]income tax[/URL] is charged on the basic allowance, which is €8,004 for unmarried persons and €16,008 for jointly assessed married couples. Beyond this threshold, the marginal tax rate increases linearly from 14% to 24% for a taxable income of €13,469 (€26,938 for married couples). In the subsequent interval up to a taxable income of €52,881 (€105,762 for married couples), the marginal tax rate increases linearly from 24% to 42%. The last change to the occurs at a taxable income of €250,730 (€501,460 for married couples) when the marginal tax rate jumps from 42% to 45%. The course of the marginal tax rate and the resulting average tax rate are depicted in the graph to the right.

Over $180,000 $54,550 plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000

Enough said...and I didn't even include Sweden, Norway and all my other favourite countries...and how many of the richest people make their living in Northern Europe and how many earn it in the US? A brainwashed population that will drive itself into the ground never to be accused of being socialist or "un-american" as I laugh all the way to the bank...sounds harsh maybe but in about a year I will be in Chicago trading futures in the pits...and then.... I will be happy with your tax rate...

#1540544Post 26 of 30

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[URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904279004576526712217102264.html?mod=world_newsreel"]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904279004576526712217102264.html?mod=world_newsreel

[QUOTE]In a call that echoes a recent message to fellow billionaires issued by U.S. tycoon[URL="http://topics.wsj.com/person/b/warren-buffett/641"]Warren Buffett[/URL], Liliane Bettencourt, along with 15 other wealthy individuals, made the unusual plea for a special though "reasonable" tax.[/QUOTE] [/URL]

#1542100Post 27 of 30

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;981965]he is giving away billions and already has and will continue to do more. not enough? lulz[/QUOTE]

Yea like $5B to BoA?

Hey Warren how's that investment working out for ya? :lol:

#1542104Post 28 of 30

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[QUOTE=FM;985996]Yea like $5B to BoA?

Hey Warren how's that investment working out for ya? :lol:[/QUOTE]

He never claimed to be Jesus did he? He wants to make money, and I'm sure do a greater good in the long run with it than most....So he must be head to a higher standard now? :lol:

Whats with the constant criticism with billionaires who give away tons of money, yet they aren't doing enough unless they immediately this second dump 99.99% of their wealth to the market this instant, or they are shit. lulz.

#1542134Post 29 of 30

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he's a businessman first and a philanthropist second, get over it.

#1542229Post 30 of 30

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[QUOTE=FM;985996]Yea like $5B to BoA?

Hey Warren how's that investment working out for ya? :lol:[/QUOTE]

I am sure it will work out great for him just like the one in Goldman did before...15$ per second in interest is no joke.

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