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How America Lost Its Way in the World It Invented & How We Come Back

26 durable postsStarted 2011-07-01Latest 2011-07-04
#102540Post 1 of 26

That Used to Be Us: How America Lost Its Way in the World It Invented and How We Come Back [video=youtube;z1elTmUO_-8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1elTmUO_-8[/video]

If by some chance you haven't heard of Tom Friedman before: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Friedman[/URL]

Clear and articulate, Friedman covers a lot of ground in this presentation about his new book. (author of the 2005 book "The World is Flat).

Enjoy

#1519308Post 2 of 26

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Are you an English major?

I notice you put articulate and smart together all the timHe writes for the New York Times..

The guy is a liar. You need to stop wasting your time on these guys

#1519311Post 3 of 26

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Your opinion of America and out politics is nonsense 95% of the time RM. And not because you are from Canada either.

#1519312Post 4 of 26

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Of course he is a liar, the title of this post has the words 'how we come back' in relation to America, so he is obviously CIA. Nevermind the Pulitzers.

#1519315Post 5 of 26

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And by nonsense you mean I am right all the time and you are ALWAYS WRONG..

He won a pulitzer in 2002 by carrying water for Bush..

#1519316Post 6 of 26

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I really have never met a couple losers like you two.. you guys are always wrong and you fully trust your government and you believe your media..

You basically are weak and believe anyone in a position of power and you take them as an authority.. you can't think for yourselves.

#1519318Post 7 of 26

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[QUOTE=runningman;970205]wasting your time [B]on these guys[/B][/QUOTE]

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[COLOR=#a9a9a9][FONT=Times][FONT=arial][QUOTE=runningman;970215]I really have never met a couple losers like you two..[/QUOTE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Times][FONT=arial]

[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#a9a9a9][FONT=Times][FONT=arial]Don't flatter yourself kid, we are never meeting. :lol:[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Times][FONT=arial][/FONT]

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#1519324Post 8 of 26

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Ok Florida

[IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00679/butler-404_679579c.jpg[/IMG]

I like 2 sugars in my coffee.

#1519325Post 9 of 26

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Can you see the wave of shit coming your way Florida?? The banks robbed you and nobody went to jail, do you think they will stop?

[IMG]http://www.physicisttv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tsunami-wave.jpg[/IMG]

These pics are your future

#1519331Post 10 of 26

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You know if the US goes under you are going to be selling your body on the street for cash soon after right? I don't know why you re jizzing yourself over his so much. You aren't going to be just north of us all happy watching hockey....

#1519394Post 11 of 26

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lol @ tom freidman

brb, oppressive Chinese government is 'ideal' brb, US needs to be more like China

this guy is a jackass. Yes have read his books. yes, cringed through most of them.

Hey Florida, maybe you could write your own Tom Friedman column? Here's some help:

[B]1. Choose your title to intrigue the reader through its internal conflict:[/B] a. War and Peas b. Osama, Boulevardier c. Big Problems, Little Women [B]2. Include a dateline from a remote location, preferably dangerous, unmistakably Muslim:[/B]

a. Mecca, Saudi Arabia b. Islamabad, Pakistan c. Mohammedville, Trinidad [B]3. Begin your first paragraph with a grandiose sentence and end with a terse, startlingly unexpected contradiction:[/B] The future of civilization depends upon open communication between Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon. If the two don’t speak to each other, the world edges closer to the precipice of total war. If, on the other hand, they manage to engage in open conversation and resolve their differences, Israelis could soon be celebrating Seders in Saudi Arabia. But for now, the two men can’t speak. Why? You can’t make a collect call from Bethlehem. [B]4. Use the next few paragraphs to further define the contradiction stated above, peppered with little questions making it look like you’re having a conversation with the reader. Feel free to use the first person:[/B] My first thought was to ask: Why no collect calls from Bethlehem? It’s easy to call collect from Bosnia, Kosovo, even Uzbekistan. Am I sure? Of course I’m sure. I was in each of those places just a few weeks ago, making collect calls all over the world. No problem. So why can’t Arafat call collect from Bethlehem? [B]5. Remember: Thomas Friedman is the Carrie Bradshaw of current events. Think Sex and the City, write “Sects and Tikriti”:[/B] a. How can Islam get to its future, if its past is its present? b. Later that day I got to thinking about global civilizational warfare. There are wars that open you up to something new and exotic, those that are old and familiar, those that bring up lots of questions, those that bring you somewhere unexpected, those that take you far from where you started, and those that bring you back. But the most exciting, challenging and significant clash of all is the one you have with your own civilization. And if you can find a civilization to love the you that you love, well, that’s just fabulous. c. Maybe Arabs and Israelis aren’t from different planets, as pop culture would have us believe. Maybe we live a lot closer to each other. Perhaps, dare I even say it, in the same [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=87"]ZIP[/url] code. [B]6. Name-drop heavily, particularly describing intimate situations involving hard-to-reach people:[/B] a. The Jacuzzi was nearly full when Ayman al-Zawahiri, former [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=342"]surgeon[/url] and now Al Qaeda’s head of operations, slid in. b. It was Thomas Pynchon on the phone. “Tommy,” he said, probably aware we share that name .. c. Despite the bumpy flight, I felt comfortable in the hands of a pilot as experienced as Amelia Earhart. [B]7. Include unknowns from hostile places who have come to espouse rational Western thought and culture:[/B] a. I visited Mohammed bin Faisal Al-Hijazi, former top aide to Ayatollah Khomeini, now a reformer and graduate of the Wharton Business School. b. Last year Nura bin Saleh Al-Fulani worked in Gaza sewing C4 plastic explosives into suicide bombers’ vests. I caught up with Nura last week in Paw Paw, Mich., where she sews activity patches on the uniforms of Cub Scout Pack 34. [B]8. Make use of homey anecdotes about your daughters, Natalie and Orly, enrolled in Eastern Middle School, Silver Spring, Md.:[/B] My daughter Natalie, a student at Eastern Middle School, a public school in Silver Spring, Md., asked me at breakfast: “Daddy, if my school has students who are Muslims and Jews and Christians and Buddhists all working together, why can’t the rest of the world be that way?” There was something in the innocence of her question that made me stop and think: Maybe she has a point. [B]9. Quote a little-known Middle East authority at least once in every column:[/B] a. Stephen P. Cohen b. Stephen P. Cohen c. Stephen P. Cohen [B]10. Conclude your column with a suggestion referring back to the opening contradiction, but with an ironic twist. Make sure the suggestion you proffer sounds plausible, but in fact has no chance of happening:[/B] Driving into Bethlehem in the back of a pickup, I wonder: What if Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon sit down and play a game of poker? And what if the stakes are these: If Sharon wins, the Intifada is over. If Arafat wins, Palestine gains statehood. One game of no-limit Texas hold ‘em, and the Middle East crisis is resolved. Just like that. Yasser and Ariel, deal ‘em out.

#1519396Post 12 of 26

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^It was just a presentation to watch and consider for 20 minutes, not something to write a thesis about although I'm glad you read his books Mariner (I won't be).

[QUOTE=runningman;970223]Ok Florida

[IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00679/butler-404_679579c.jpg[/IMG]

I like 2 sugars in my coffee.[/QUOTE]

Then maybe I'll give you a 5 minute break so you can put down your tray and have some coffee with me one day. And I keep telling you it's not necessary you wear that tie. :roflmao:

#1519422Post 13 of 26

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no wonder i am loosing interest...SSDD

bunch of fucking geniuses...will watch when I get home...thanks for the post Florida.

#1519509Post 14 of 26

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Mariner, thanks for mentioning his stance on our need to emulate China. Yes, we need a more authoritarian, centralized (oppressive) govt. to carry out the edicts of the national (international) bank...another useless idiot who doesn't deserve a mouthpiece.

#1519620Post 15 of 26

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;970460]Mariner, thanks for mentioning his stance on our need to emulate China. Yes, we need a more authoritarian, centralized (oppressive) govt. to carry out the edicts of the national (international) bank...another useless idiot who doesn't deserve a mouthpiece.[/QUOTE]

Riiight :lol: If you stood up and asked Friedman the above statement in question format, you realize the entire room would do a face palm?

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#1519709Post 16 of 26

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That wasn't directed to him. But apparently you agree with his sentiment, whatever the particulars. Enough said.

I know you can't stand conservatives, Florida, but maybe you should try on this scathing slam for size: [URL]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_060311/content/01125109.guest.html[/URL]

He calls austerity for everyone else while he lives lavishly.

His actual comment on becoming like China (borrowed from [URL]http://planetmoron.typepad.com/planet_moron/2010/10/thomas-friedman-what-america-needs-is-more-people-who-agree-with-thomas-friedman.html[/URL] ):

[I]“What if we could just be China for a day? I mean, just, just, just one day. You know, I mean, where we could actually, you know, authorize the right solutions, and I do think there is a sense of that, on, on everything from the economy to environment. I don't want to be China for a second, OK, I want my democracy to work with the same authority, focus and stick-to-itiveness. But right now we have a system that can only produce suboptimal solutions.”[B]"

[/B][/I]You can live in his vision of a fucked up 1984-styled utopia should you choose where the state controls everything, I'll enjoy what remains of the constitution.

#1519714Post 17 of 26

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[B]edited[/B]

#1519748Post 18 of 26

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;970720] I know you can't stand conservatives, Florida, [/QUOTE]

No. But it is annoying to listen to people on either side of the isle speak so confidently about things they know very little about. I have very conservative and liberal friends, most lean toward moderate/conservative actually. But nice try duderino. :lol:

#1519769Post 19 of 26

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Are you serious Reso?? We don't need another DayForNight on here.. That shit isn't funny Reso. Seriously..

#1519781Post 20 of 26

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well when all you talk about 24x7 is how fucked everything around you is, and all you do about it is piss and moan on a fucking dance music board of all places, you are just jerking your internet penis off. aka, you don't give a shit more than just wanting to bitch about something.

get the fuck off the net and do something about it or shut the fuck up on a house music board if you really care, because here now one gives a fuck. the subset of us use this subforum for the lulz an entertaining supplement when our awesome mp3 sets we get from here are on the lull.

#1519858Post 21 of 26

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I wonder how many minorities were there?

#1519863Post 22 of 26

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[QUOTE=Erik Mitchell;970897]I wonder how many minorities were there?[/QUOTE]

Where? In Aspen?

#1519878Post 23 of 26

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This is awesome

#1519881Post 24 of 26

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America lost its way when it started using preemptive war. Also when they decided to try to make a world empire by having military bases in every country in the world. You would have thought they would have taken Rome as a great example of what not to do when you are the big dog in the world.

#1519892Post 25 of 26

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We're all screwed!@#@#!@#

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#1519945Post 26 of 26

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  • 4 on Mariners Post.

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