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Re: Sopranos - The Final Season
[quote=superdave]Were those cops, hitmen, or really nothing at all?[/quote]
Big question, but who even knew he was going out to dinner with his family? How could these people / hitmen be waiting on him? Maybe his phone was tapped and its the Fed's, which was the only thing I could come up with. Otherwise, it seems it was all just hype. Who knew???
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Here is why I liked the ending. the article below (in black text) sums it up pretty well. [B][/B] [B][COLOR=black]No Easy Ending for HBO's `The Sopranos'[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=black]By FRAZIER MOORE, AP Television Writer[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=black]4 hours agoUPDATED 3 HOURS 32 MINUTES AGO[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]NEW YORK - Tony Soprano carries on.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The much-awaited conclusion of HBO's "The Sopranos" arrived Sunday night in a frenzy of audience speculation. Would New Jersey mob boss Soprano live or be killed? Would his family die before his eyes? Would he go to jail? Be forced to enter witness protection? Would Brooklyn boss Phil Leotardo, who had ordered a hit on Tony, prevail?[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]In the end, the only ending that mattered was the one masterminded by "Sopranos" creator David Chase. And playing against viewer expectations, as always, Chase refused to stage a mass extermination, put the characters through any changes, or provide his viewers with comfortable closure. Or catharsis. After all, he declined to pass moral judgment on Tony _ he reminded viewers all season what a thug Tony is, then gave him a pass.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]But Chase was true to himself, and that's what made "The Sopranos" brilliant on Sunday night, and the 85 episodes that went before. The product of an artist with a bleak but illuminating vision, "The Sopranos" has always existed on its own terms. And it was seldom tidy.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The only neat development in the finale was that Leotardo was crushed. Otherwise it was perversely non-earthshaking _ just one last visit with the characters we have followed so devoutly since 1999.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Here was the funeral for Bobby Bacala, Tony's soldier and brother-in-law, who was shot dead on Leotardo's orders last week. Here was Tony (series star James Gandolfini) paying a hospital visit to his gravely injured consigliere, Silvio Dante, also targeted by Leotardo.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Tony's ne'er-do-well son A.J. (Robert Iler) continued to wail about the misery in the world, and voiced a fleeting urge to join the Army and go fight in Afghanistan (Tony persuaded him to get involved in filmmaking, instead). Daughter Meadow (Jamie-Lynn Sigler) harped on her plans to be a lawyer.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Tony visits his senile Uncle Junior (Dominic Chianese) at the nursing home. "You and my dad, you two ran North Jersey," Tony prompts him.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]"We did?" said Uncle Junior with no sign of recognition. "That's nice."[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Despite suspicions to the contrary, neither Paulie Walnuts nor Patsy Parisi sold out Tony. And neither was whacked. Dr. Melfi, who kicked Tony out of therapy last week, made no last-minute appearance.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Sure, headaches lie ahead for Tony. The Feds are still after him. And Meadow's fiance, Patsy Jr., is a lawyer who may well be pursuing cases that intrude on Tony's business interests.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]So what else is new?[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The finale displayed the characters continuing, for better and worse, unaffected by the fact that the series is done. The implication was, they will go on as usual. We just won't be able to watch.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Of course, Leotardo (Frank Vincent) hit a dead end after Tony located him with the help of his favorite federal agent. The execution was a quick but classic "Sopranos" scene: Pulling up at a gas station with his wife, Leotardo made a grand show of telling his two young grandchildren in the back seat to "wave bye-bye" as he emerged from his SUV. The next moment he was on the pavement, shot in the head.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Then you heard the car roll over his head. Carunnnchh! Quick, clinical, even comical, this was the only violence during the hour.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Not that Chase (who wrote and directed this episode) didn't tease viewers with the threat of death in almost every scene.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]This was never more true than in the final sequence. On the surface, it was nothing more momentous than Tony, his wife, Carmela (Edie Falco), Meadow and A.J. meeting for dinner at a cozy family restaurant.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]When he arrived, Tony dropped a coin in the jukebox and played the classic Journey power ballad "Don't Stop Believing." Meanwhile, every moment seemed to foreshadow disaster: Suspicious-looking people coming in the door or seated at a table nearby. Meadow on the street having trouble parallel parking her car, the tires squealing against the curb. With every passing second, the audience was primed for tragedy. It was a scene both warm and fuzzy yet full of dread, setting every viewer's heart racing for no clear reason.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]But nothing would happen. It was just a family gathering for dinner at a restaurant.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Then, with a jingle of the bell on the front door, Tony looked up, apparently seeing Meadow make her delayed entrance. Or could he have seen something awful _ something he certainly deserved _ about to come down?[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Probably not. Almost certainly a false alarm. But we'll never know. With that, "The Sopranos" cut to black, leaving us enriched after eight years. And flustered. And fated to always wonder what happened next.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.[/COLOR]
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i liked it as well, though definitely could have done with less AJ. god what an annoying character...
still, that last scene...holy tension batman. i was on the edge of my seat just waiting for shit to go down...
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i agree on the last scene ... tension packed , but the rest of the episode was shit
too many untied ends
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[quote=day_for_night;497616] i was on the edge of my seat just waiting for shit to go down...[/quote]
Im still trying to figure out why you all thought shit was going to go down. Sure there was some suspense, especially with Journey track playing, but who knew Tony was there with his family?
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[QUOTE=jarble187;497651]but who knew Tony was there with his family?[/QUOTE]
The Parisis didn't they? Didn't Carmella say something when they were around? My wife actually yelled at me when the screen went black - she thought I did something wrong with the DVR.
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[quote=jarble187;497651]Im still trying to figure out why you all thought shit was going to go down. Sure there was some suspense, especially with Journey track playing, but who knew Tony was there with his family?[/quote]
uhh mobsters follow each other around? the Italian-looking guy sitting by himself at the counter kept looking at Tony...thought that was the hit coming. Then ending left it such that there is still that possibility. guy could be going to the bathroom to pull an assasination like in the godfather where the police chief gets killed...
then again, it coulda just been some dood going to take a piss, we'll never know.
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I dont think he gets killed...I think that scene showed everyday life..Think about it, I get looked at by sketchy people all the time when I go out, we all do..People that we think are going to harm us, just because of how they act...Chase was just showing how everyday mob life makes Tony feel...Paranoid!!! The show ended perfectly, with Tony and his family reunited so to speak...The ending was beautiful, and suspenseful, especially when that song came on(The Journey song). Made me feel warm that everything was finally going to be alright with his family..Good stuff
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Taken from TranceAddict: [url]http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=368016&forumid=12&perpage=12&pagenumber=9[/url]
The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.
So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the brothas at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?).
Absolutely incredible!!!! There were three people in the restaurant who had reason to kill Tony and then it just ends. This was Chase's way of proving that he will not escape his past. It will not go on forever despite that he would like it to "don't stop". Not the fans!!! Tony would like it to keep going but just as we have to say goodbye, so does he
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another post:
I got the answer.. I didn't write this, but it totally makes sense..
"from a guy in my office...
He was killed....
in fact, the ending was genius if you've paid attention to the show or are just a fan of well developed well thought out plots that all tie together and have the memory of a champ to remember it all
the ending was simple, he got killed, but let me tell yall why and explain in detail... There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to kill tony.....
the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only shot in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,
also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar stool, who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil Leotardos nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where Phil and Tony have a sit down....
heres where the genius comes in....
When tonys walking in the diner,you see the camera focus on him, then it switches to his perspective, and you see him looking @ the booth hes gonna sit at...
then the camera switches back to tonys face, then it once again switches to his perspective, and it shows him looking @ the door and looking @ the people come in..... Everytime the door opens the Chimes sound....... Carmela walks in, Chimes, AJ walks in Chimes, this when Meadows parallel parking, still trying to get inside the restaurant....
at this point the camera switches back to the trucker who goes in the bathroom......
Then it goes to a scene where meadow finally parks and starts running in the diner....
the doors about to open, Tony looks up....
and No Chimes......................
No Music............
Everything just goes black...............
In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby about what it must feel like to die..
Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything just goes black"
part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the last seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes back to the memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont hear anything everything just goes black"
so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door sounded but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out and killed tony...
its the reason you aint hear, or see shite when he died.... it was from his perspective.... and everything went black, then the credits rolled."
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^^^That just makes me sad..Tony was fucking awesome.
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Was an interesting way to end the series, and most people are right... there wasnt really any good way to end it...
never looked at the concept of the door chimes before but after looking at it again, it kinda makes sense....
ah well... bring on the next 'killer' series to occupy our nights
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Saw on the news that David Chase had planned this ending from Day 1.
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[quote=phil;497793] David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.[/quote]
I dont feel rewarded at all. Seems like a bunch of fluff and hype to me. Those are awful big pulls and asumptions when it comes to knocking off a boss. The black guys- total fluff- to bring back issues from season 2/3 that in turn would result in Tony's death...I dont buy it. However, I could understand Phil's nephew getting revenge for Phil's death, but to bring it up in the last 30 seconds of the entire series and say that was the way it was planned from day one seems like a bunch of crap. Being a "true fan", Im still dissapointed, especially coming off the whirlwind that the last two seasons were.
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[quote=chook;497894]Was an interesting way to end the series, and most people are right... there wasnt really any good way to end it...
never looked at the concept of the door chimes before but after looking at it again, it kinda makes sense....
ah well... bring on the next 'killer' series to occupy our nights[/quote]
Have you watched Dexter on Showtime...:shock:
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[quote=phil;497794]another post:
There was 3 people in the room total who had a reason to kill tony.....
the two black guys, they were paid before to kill tony but he was only shot in the ear, this was in one of the earlier seasons,
also in the earlier seasons, the trucker who was sitting at the bar stool, who the camera kept focusing in on, is Nikki leotardo, Phil Leotardos nephew, he was in one of the early season episodes where Phil and Tony have a sit down....
[/quote]
seriously though....why the hell would all those various people that had reasons to kill tony happen to be at the same freakin restaruant at the same time.....give me a break...stupid ass ending period
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[quote=chadmc;497972]Have you watched Dexter on Showtime...:shock:[/quote]
awesome show.
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[QUOTE=phil;497794]
In one of the early episodes of the sopranos, tonys talking with bobby about what it must feel like to die..
Bobby says "at the end, you probably dont hear anything, everything just goes black"
part of that was revisited in the second to last episode during the last seconds of it, when tonys about to go to sleep and he flashes back to the memory of him and bobby on the boat... "You probably dont hear anything everything just goes black"
so in the end, the Journey song was playing, the chimes on the door sounded but when meadow came in, the guy in the trucker hat came out and killed tony...
its the reason you aint hear, or see shite when he died.... it was from his perspective.... and everything went black, then the credits rolled."[/QUOTE]
I've heard this theory, too, and it's the only theory that I think is really all that satisfying and that makes sense. If this was the plan all along, it might have been wise to emphasize this theme more than twice over the course of the series so it would be clear to more than just those that analyze every line, but that's a pretty cool way to end the show if in fact that's what he was going for.
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I am still convinced that nothing happened...That life just went on..I don't want to believe that he as killed..
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i think they stopped it where it was stopped to give HBO a chance to start it up again in the future. That's why no one was shown being killed.
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[quote=jeffrey collins;499575]i think they stopped it where it was stopped to give HBO a chance to start it up again in the future. That's why no one was shown being killed.[/quote]
I wish that was true. From the sound of things, James Gandolfini is done playing Tony Soprano.
I really enjoyed the episode and after the first viewing, I was angry. But I watched it again, it actually does a pretty good job of wrapping up stories of people. Life in the Soprano household will go on, we just wont be able to watch it.
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^^^^exactly
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He was anally raped. :RockOn:
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[quote=godisadj;499618]II really enjoyed the episode and after the first viewing, I was angry. But I watched it again, it actually does a pretty good job of wrapping up stories of people. Life in the Soprano household will go on, we just wont be able to watch it.[/quote]
completely agree with you ...thought is was a real good ending to a classic show
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i agree that last season was really getting worst, but still greatest TV show ever imo. HBO great job! and ending is really strange, but that's the way they made it. fuck it! tension was great, better than going standard, scarface end, that's nothing new.... salut!
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[QUOTE=GerryD;503759]completely agree with you ...thought is was a real good ending to a classic show[/QUOTE]
agree, good ending, great song 8)
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I've just watched the full batch (again) from beginning to end over the past few months - freaking awesome .... Sopranos is simply the best thing ever to hit tv or film. Total character development and the most intricate of plotting, with key things stemming from minor characters that you never saw coming.
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The final season and show did total justice - on re-watching the finale there is the most grotesque of hits and closure achieved across key mob members (Tony and Paulie's relationship is essential viewing across the whole series), the FBI and the family - hats off to AJ for a truly great performance ...
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My complete Sopranos box sets are just as treasured as Sasha & John's NE 1-3 .. I don't think i can pay any more respect than that.
[IMG]http://files.blog-city.com/files/N07/59578042/p/f/tony.jpg[/IMG]
Simply essential.
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One my all time fav shows as well
Final scene
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnT7nYbCSvM[/YOUTUBE]
I BUMPED INTO These 2 videos THE OTHER DAY , very valid points on what the end is all about.
check them out
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kgxbTqz_Y[/YOUTUBE]
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZpwnI4z49A[/YOUTUBE]