[QUOTE=DIDI;956238]Yeah, and giving every man and his dog the opportunity to rip it in really low quality and put it all over the internet. I read what you said about quality being important in the [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=112"]Martin Garcia[/URL] thread.:) It isn't about being first it's about being best :RockOn:[/QUOTE]

Are you fucking serious? Did you hit your head? What fucking first???? It's for MS only, sheeeeesh, talk about being ungrateful.Why don't you shut up, 1 every 3? You're not true, you make no sense. We're not to suppose to post Transitions until Sunday, so I did it all to give you bozos a preview, as per rules. Sad site.

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:lol::lol: :lol: Err soundcloud is only available to MS . ?? You really trust all 42,711 members not to rip it ?? :lol: Or the 2131 active members or even the 157 that are online now ?? Even I know it's gonna get ripped :lol:

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You're clueless, you said the "streams" were to win the race, you didn't even know they had links to here.

I did it for this site alone, einstein, I could have posted the real files, READ the rule, you fucking genius, you think you're superior, huh? You contribute zero and come up as the witty know it all that you are. You say something that makes no absolute sense to someone who spends hours each day on this site as a freakin hobby and you're the cool kid from the clique. Let me refrain it: once in a while, Stfu

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^^^ Do you really not understand that if it can be played it can be ripped/recorded and then uploaded for people to download ?? If you don't I apologise for my flip remark.

Everyone who participates in this board contributes in their own way.

Btw I am definitely not a part of the, or in fact any, clique :lol: Fiercely independent here !!!!

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You don't really get it, huh? You don't really understand what happened here? On the side, who cares if someone wants to rip a 96k stream :D? It's their problem!

"If you don't"

Very clever, but you still don't get it: [I]we're not supposed to post the files from Proton until Sunday[/I], to not upset Proton too much. But we're allowed to post undersampled versions. Since this one was an eagerly awaited show, I ripped both hours, did not post them, used Foobar to downsample them, had the (genius, in hindsight) idea to post them to my payed Souncloud, so that people here could have a listen, waiting for the real deal. Took me hours. Nobody thanked me, little people cared. The next day Miss MS treats me like a jerk for that. Icing on the cake.

Btw, the "real files" themselves are also downsampled, did you know that? Pt.1 of the lousy Cruise set was transcoded twice before people ripped it. That's quality! Is this because I apparently jumped at Simon? He's the nicest guy ever, that would never happen.

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[QUOTE=sbando;956352] [I]we're not supposed to post the files from Proton until Sunday[/I], to not upset Proton too much. But we're allowed to post undersampled versions. [/QUOTE]

This.

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That's why I did it. I got a little upset because Simon did not even mention it and I told him, but he probably just didn't notice. Soundcloud users would see a link to here, people that have ripped the 96k -I don't see what they have to do with us, really. But I swear to god it will never happen again!

I also ask for my 863 entries in the djdb to be removed and replaced with witty comebacks.

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[QUOTE][INDENT] You don't really get it, huh? You don't really understand what happened here? On the side, who cares if someone wants to rip a 96k stream :D? It's their problem!

"If you don't"

Very clever, but you still don't get it: [I]we're not supposed to post the files from Proton until Sunday[/I], to not upset Proton too much. But we're allowed to post undersampled versions. Since this one was an eagerly awaited show, I ripped both hours, did not post them, used Foobar to downsample them, had the (genius, in hindsight) idea to post them to my payed Souncloud, so that people here could have a listen, waiting for the real deal. Took me hours. Nobody thanked me, little people cared. The next day Miss MS treats me like a jerk for that. Icing on the cake.

Btw, the "real files" themselves are also downsampled, did you know that? Pt.1 of the lousy Cruise set was transcoded twice before people ripped it. That's quality! Is this because I apparently jumped at Simon? He's the nicest guy ever, that would never happen. [/INDENT] [/QUOTE] Don't look for ulterior motives, while I also think simon is the nicest guy I'm sure he can look after himself :lol: My only worry was that this would be out there in terrible quality as I'm sure it is now. Just perhaps others thought that as well . This may be why they didn't thank you , although people on internet forums aren't all that good at saying thank you. :)

It sounds a though your motives were good , you just didn't think it through .

[QUOTE=sbando;956355]That's why I did it. I got a little upset because Simon did not even mention it and I told him, but he probably just didn't notice. Soundcloud users would see a link to here, people that have ripped the 96k -I don't see what they have to do with us, really. But I swear to god it will never happen again!

I also ask for my 863 entries in the djdb to be removed and replaced with witty comebacks.[/QUOTE] No, you don't get it. . I'm not talking about the rules on this site, I'm talking about the rules of integrity and respect. Unfortunately those people do have something to do with us.!! They have been able to rip that poor quality and spread it around. What I want more than anything is for great music to be available to share in great quality. That is my motive in what I say .As long as we put up poor quality , that's what we will get. I think it is getting to stage where people don't know the difference anymore .

I hope you meant what you said about it not happening again.

Don't care what you do with DJDB, I don't use it.

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You're ridiculous, you just can't stfu, even after you've realized, and you're told!, that you're out of place. I don't think it's a matter of "getting it" anymore now, of course you understand it very well but you still want to win.

"I hope you meant what you said about it not happening again"

Patronising cluelessness, harass someone else. People had warned me about you, but I thought you were nice, so far.

"Don't care what you do with DJDB, I don't use it."

You should stick it up your bum, then you'd be less of a bitch.

Btw: I'm into this game since the early 90's, we could go on for years.

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[QUOTE=sbando;956373]You're ridiculous, you just can't stfu, even after you've realized, and you're told!, that you're out of place. I don't think it's a matter of "getting it" anymore now, of course you understand it very well but you still want to win.

"I hope you meant what you said about it not happening again"

Patronising cluelessness, harass someone else. People had warned me about you, but I thought you were nice, so far.

"Don't care what you do with DJDB, I don't use it."

You should stick it up your bum, then you'd be less of a bitch.

Btw: I'm into this game since the early 90's, we could go on for years.[/QUOTE]

:lol: You telling me what to do ?? You should have seen that won't work :lol: Shame you are listening to other people, I am nice :lol: But you shouldn't confuse nice with weak. I disagreed with you on one subject. There will be others that we totally agree on :)

Why do you believe I was being patronising?? I wasn't . As I said, my first comment was flip, I have been quite serious since. If you read my words with an open mind you may see things differently. But it doesn't matter anyway . :)

As far a harassing you, all I have done is answer you. I haven't called you any names or made anatomically impossible, or at the very least very uncomfortable, suggestions to you :lol:

Winning?? Aside from the fact that I wasn't competing , it's pretty obvious I can't :lol: Whatever I say it seems you will interpret ulterior motives . I really have given you my motives . Nobody wins on the internet anyway :)

So good luck with your future endeavors. :)

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Ok, then.

Out of the blue you came up with a remark about winning the race, who post it first, etc. I simply told you that it wasn't the case and that I was following the site's rules about this particular show. ^Only this part is really relevant.

The rest is what is called a pissing contest, we both know that. But you keep on rephrasing your "accusations" no matter what explanations (technical, rules, intentions) are given to you, so c'mon, you ARE trying to win our contest.

By the way, since they always come as a pair, read this and have a good larf

[URL]http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=601541&forumid=6&s[/URL]=

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^^^ :lol:

Whoops too slow ! @ sbando You can win if you like. :)

Although we will have to agree to disagree that is all that is relevant. There is a wider view. I have seen enormous change in the way we get music, some of which is absolutely amazing , some is really sad. We do seem to be sacrificing quality for quantity. Perhaps because I remember when I had to save up to buy my music I have a different attitude to most. I am incredibly grateful that all this wonderful music is given to us , but I'm very selective. There is only so much music you can listen to, why not have the best. ?? But the end result is that I have an amazing collection of amazing music. :D Music has been my passion alll my life.

:lol: Yep !!

Obviously I am not up with all the coding stuff you talking about there, but it doesn't make sense that you can get anymore out of something than was already there. So as I said there will be something we totally agree on. :)

Our Australian branch of Tranceaddict died :lol: They love to fight over there. :lol:

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^You know if you only want to listen to the best then you can just only download the 320K DAB broadcasts then if that is what makes you happy. ;)

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[QUOTE=sbando;956355]I got a little upset because Simon did not even mention it and I told him, but he probably just didn't notice. Soundcloud users would see a link to here, people that have ripped the 96k -I don't see what they have to do with us, really. But I swear to god it will never happen again! [/QUOTE]

Sbando - I didn't do anything intentional to offend you ;)

I wasn't aware of your Soundcloud parts when I loaded the thread in P & R : I started the thread because I wanted to get the tracklist moving and I usually do this with the live mixes as the [ms] crew are reliable for some great IDs.

When I became aware of your S/C parts I offered for you to post them because I didn't want to be presumptuous or wish to take credit for your work and time.

Peace.

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[QUOTE=DIDI;956344]^^^ Do you really not understand that if it can be played it can be ripped/recorded and then uploaded for people to download ?? [/QUOTE]

To be fair Didi - the Proton rips are out and widely available on a Friday : so the chances of someone ripping the Soundcloud rather than finding a link via google is very remote. So it is a bit of a moot point.

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enough already....seems like every thread turns into an arguing match....can we just discuss the set, isnt this site supposed to be about discussing music??

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If the ones WHO ACTUALLY POST ANY MUSIC HERE (and have Proton & Frisky accounts, ripping shareware, file hosting accounts, a soundcloud account, all of them paid for, month by month) are driven away from here by random trolling, you will have no sets to discuss about, only the ones YOU'LL PAY FOR, even if you aren't aware about it.

Why do you think some people flood the boards with links? It's a huge business, hundreds, even thousands of $ a month.

Also, when a label or dj upload something to Soundcloud, Soundcloud re-encodes their files, so, if the original is not downloadable, every 128kbs preview ripped from there is not much different from my Transitions streams. Part 1 of this set, the one with Nick, is about the same quality.

That said and ego wars aside, what I did was to offer some sort of preview, IN THE CHAT SECTION, before the actual set, as the guidelines say, period. Now you won't get them anymore. It doesn't have anything to do with quality, transcoding, blah blah, I knew that.

Also remember that "ripped" files are stolen from web radios and producers and that they only tolerate what we do (Frisky doesn't), if you start to make a fuss about it we'll lose even more sources.

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Wow ...

DD I think you need to calm down ... as long as we're allowed to post lower-bitrate rips, so be it. This has never been done for any of the Transitions shows and clearly sbando did it for OUR benefit knowing [ms] are fans of Digweed and Cattaneo. If I was in his shoes I'd be pretty pissed off too.

And these Proton rips are all over the net anyway; most of the time I wait for the [ms] rips out of respect for the time and effort but there're times when I can't access the links and I end up getting them from elsewhere anyway so what's the big deal?

I mean, right let's say someone does rip this 96kbps stream and it goes into the wild. What's the worst that can happen? 1) Proton rips are already out before [ms] rips and those are higher than 96kbps. 2) Are Digweed and Cattaneo going to sue us or something? No, they'll probably tell us this is not cool and we'll take them down, as we've done in the past with other unofficial sets. 3) Is this gonna harm [ms] reputation? [ms] is hardly a player in the scene so we have no reputation in this context to maintain. 4) We hurt Digweed and Cattaneo's feelings? Doubt it. 5) We impinge on your righteousness which is what seems to be happening.

We all get that you love DJs like Cattaneo and respect them and their requests for 'official quality releases' of their sets, but you're now coming across as some sort of crusader; and the reality is, you simply can't expect the internet or the rest of the world to share the exact same point of view to your exact standards, it doesn't work like that.

(And the below is not directed at DD in case I get drawn into this bullshit)

Man GYY is fucking draining these days. Feels like every week there's some crap going on. And I came back to this thread thinking there's 3 pages of discussion about the fucking music, because this is Digweed and Cattaneo! But no, 3 pages of egoistical bickering about 96kbps rips? WTF.

I might take a break from GYY, in the mean time hopefully the rest of you grow up.

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One thing, [I]it was never posted by me as a set in P&R[/I], then Simon and Hannu posted the proper files and Simon decided to keep the previews, where is the problem -jesus h christ.

As for growing up, it's a very tough time for me, as my FB friends here maybe know, and still it took me hours to put all that together. The software I use can no longer rip in fast mode from Proton, a further proof that the ice here is very thin. I do agree on the ego trippin though.

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Sorry I wasn't meaning you specifically, I mean GYY in general and all the crap happening every 5th thread. Anyway I'm outta here, I'm closing my [ms] tab! Peace.

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[QUOTE=simonr;956422]To be fair Didi - the Proton rips are out and widely available on a Friday : so the chances of someone ripping the Soundcloud rather than finding a link via google is very remote. So it is a bit of a moot point.[/QUOTE] I shouldn't admit this here but I very rarely read anything about transitions. I hate the ads . I only have some vague memories of the way it worked. I hadn't thought it through! But when I read through all this latest stuff it stood out like the proverbial :) The problem is that the people who know the LEAST are likely to do it and we just get more crap out there. If you go to the link that sbando put up for me you will see a perfect example of someone doing exactly what I am worried about. Also a great example from sbando telling them why they shouldn't do it , which is good!! But the fact of the matter is that those crap things are out there polluting to a stage where people don't know/expect better. I am an idealist, I'm always going to want better. :lol:

Reasonator, I want that quality for all of us :RockOn: who said 320 is good enough anyway :lol:

chuckc, I thought this ended up being a discussion for once, it got better instead of worth, :) We both got our points out there and I know I ended up with a little more knowledge. We were discussing music, just not just specific music. The problem here lately is that everyone is expecting the worst and speak/act accordingly. I think Sbando and I proved to some extent last night that it doesn't have to be like that. A good thing was we didn't have trolls come in and try to beat the situation up , which seems to happen a lot more lately. We were two people with genuine issues who voiced them and got over it. :)

Sbando, I don't think anyone could drive you guys away, because you guys love what you do . I mean that in a really good way. :) Paying isn't an issue for me, I've always considered that the free stuff we get is a privilege , old school thinking again. I am be more than happy to pay for better!! In fact I have always considered my donations as payment. We need all sorts of people here, while MS is primarily a music site , it was always a hell of a lot more than that. There are many different ways of contributing. I don't download much anymore because of these quality issues . In fact I become positively euphoric when I find something in real 320 :lol:

[QUOTE]Why do you think some people flood the boards with links? It's a huge business, hundreds, even thousands of $ a month.

[/QUOTE]

This to me is incredibly worrying, people used to put up music because they loved it. This site was about sharing that love. As you say it now big business and since when did big business ever care about quality.?? :(

Btw that little bit of knowledge I gained makes me want to ask more, I have tried to rip stuff and what I was doing was ripping to aiff, then converting back to the original, figuring that the aiff would get anything that was there, but from what you said to the tranceaddict guy that extra step would lower the quality further anyway. True?? You will be pleased to note I was never happy with the quality I achieved :lol: Although I did post the JJJ ones before JJJ turned to crap :lol: I also have paid accounts and ripping shareware, but it still isn't good enough for me :lol: And believe me I really try to get stuff in the clubs recorded. :lol:

feather, I am definitely a crusader and proud of it :lol: And will continue to be. :)

To all , there is nothing wrong with good robust discussion. :lol:

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To be honest, I needed our flame like I need a new hole in my ass, yesterday morning (my morning) I found myself typing away in a foreign language while people were screaming at me (in the real world). I don't know why I had to "defend" myself and what it has to do with "ripping at high quality" at all.

True, of course loseless stays loseless no matter how many times you trancode it, it's like zipping and unzipping a file. If it's lossy (mp3, apple, ogg, etc), each time you do, you deteriorate the original more and more, mp3 relies on psy tricks, to reduce the size of a file, it makes you perceive things that are not really there anymore. At 128k, the joint stereo image can be very far from true stereo, 192 constant bitrate treats silence and complex parts the same, so the complex samples can come out a bit butchered.

The problem of people ripping previews is very real, but we're talking previews of commercial releases, nothing to do with this silly quarrel.