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Buying an expensive car

45 durable postsStarted 2011-04-07Latest 2011-04-14
#97616Post 1 of 45

[url]http://moneywatch.bnet.com/investing/blog/irrational-investor/skimp-or-splurge-millionaires-car/1705/[/url]

[quote] We live in a very nice neighborhood where the houses and yards are well-tended, and new, shiny luxury cars are parked in most of the garages. I’m proud to say that in our garage are two of the least impressive cars in the neighborhood - an eight year old Pontiac and 11 year old Ford. Why do we skimp? Because doing so pays handsomely, and by handsomely I mean to the tune of $1.9 million dollars. Here’s my cost-benefit analysis.

[B]Costs of the new car[/B] I compared the costs of two imaginary families. The image conscious Jones family must drive $60,000 luxury SUVs, and wouldn’t be caught dead in a model that is more than three years old. Across the street, lives the Thriftys, a family with less invested in their image and more invested in their future. They feel no pressure to keep up with the Joneses, or anyone else. They buy $24,000 Fords and keep them for ten years.

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On average, each of the two Lexus SUVs cost $15,060 annually, while the Ford clocks in at $10,000 less. This leaves the Thriftys with $20,000 annually to invest. If the investments return seven percent annually, the Thriftys will have built up a $1.9 million portfolio after 30 years. Of course to get that rate, you’ve got to keep expenses and emotions out of the equation and be a rational investor.

[B]Benefits of the new car[/B] You’ll get no argument from me that the Lexus SUVs are a little slice of automobile heaven. And I admit that I enjoy being a passenger in someone else’s Lexus. Getting a new car, with that new car smell, brings a certain pleasure and psychological well being. But studies show that this happiness is inevitably short-lived, even turning into anger or sadness, as soon as you notice that first ding.

The unsexy, boring truth is that the Ford gets to any destination just as fast as the Lexus. The comfort factor seems to disappear as one gets used to the ride in any car. So, for the most part, splurging on the Lexus gets you only one thing that you don’t get with the Ford - status.

[B]Bottom line[/B] If you have more money than you can ever spend, then have at it with my envious blessings, and get whatever kind of car you’d like. But if you are concerned about your financial well being, skimping on a car is the single most important thing you can do to cut expenditures without giving up a single economic good since you can still go anywhere you’d like. You need only give up the psychological value of status and, if you can reframe your view of psychological value, you may be even better off there too.

My advice is to get off of the hedonic treadmill and break the chains of status-seeking. Before you know it, the Joneses will be trying to keep up with your portfolio.

[B][U]Top 10[/U][/B][U] [B]Benefits of a Millionaire’s Car[/B][/U]

[LIST=1][INDENT] []You can actually be a millionaire rather than only looking like one. []You won’t have to worry about getting a ding on your car - go ahead and park in that tight space. []You know your friends won’t like you only for your car. []You won’t be accused of being materialistic. []You’ll get from point A to B just as fast as the luxury car. []When you drive somewhere with your friends, they will want to take their car. []If you get pulled over, the police officer won’t give you attitude because he can’t afford your car! (Okay - I’m reaching here.) []When your friends make fun of it, you’ll learn which friends are snobs. []You’ll demonstrate your self-image can’t be manipulated by advertising agencies. [] Did I mention it will make you a millionaire? [/quote] [/INDENT] [/LIST]

I love my Toyota Avalon :lol:

#1484773Post 2 of 45

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lol @ the ford-owning family... the Thriftys? clever.

#1484815Post 3 of 45

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Or do what I did ! Get rid of your car, use public transport,or walk, and rent the appropriate car/ van/ truck/ limo anytime you like :D The amazing thing about this is you find out just how infrequently you really need a vehicle. Of course I realise this isn't going to work everywhere. :) When it does it's great. No parking problems !!! :lol:

Btw I did a cost benefit analysis when I got rid of my vehicle . I've actually been far better off financially that I calculated, possibly because I really do only get a vehicle when I need it, and that isn't anywhere near as much as I expected! :)

#1484818Post 4 of 45

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Bicycles!

#1484915Post 5 of 45

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[QUOTE=DIDI;943855]Or do what I did ! Get rid of your car, use public transport,or walk, and rent the appropriate car/ van/ truck/ limo anytime you like :D The amazing thing about this is you find out just how infrequently you really need a vehicle. Of course I realise this isn't going to work everywhere. :) When it does it's great. No parking problems !!! :lol:

Btw I did a cost benefit analysis when I got rid of my vehicle . I've actually been far better off financially that I calculated, possibly because I really do only get a vehicle when I need it, and that isn't anywhere near as much as I expected! :)[/QUOTE]

^^This. I use public transport or taxis. . .but then I do live in a highly urbanised environment which isn't the case with most of the US and London does have a pretty damn good public transport system.

p.s. I would hardly call buying a Lexus SUV luxury...Lexus is a shit car anyway...

#1484919Post 6 of 45

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I love how the cost to maintain a Ford is less than a Lexus and the cost (and the periodicity of) "repairing" a Ford has been completely removed from the equation. Yes services will cost more on the "Luxury" brands (if you're numb headed enough to get simple services for your car at an authorized Lexus dealer) but heck repair work? You'd be hard pressed to find these (Lexus/Toyota) cars break down.

Toyota Hilux has been the only car to be driven to the North Pole and let's not forget the Top Gear event where they tried to drown, burn, and drop a Toyota pick up from the roof of a detonating building and a mechanic was able to start the car with nothing but a screw driver (iirc).

I'm not a Toyota / Lexus fanatic per se (I never was) until I saw those shows. Glorious words of Clarkson where after 2 days of driving through ice fortresses in the North Pole, he was complaining about how the cold weather was killing their sound recording equipment, their cameras, their GPS equipment, their weather tracking equipment, but give the Hilux a few minutes to warm up and the diesel engine was the only thing that worked flawlessly on the round trip.

That's saying a lot for the engine (and is why I have come to appreciate Toyota as a company).

#1484936Post 7 of 45

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#1484939Post 8 of 45

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[QUOTE=Kamal;943973]I love how the cost to maintain a Ford is less than a Lexus and the cost (and the periodicity of) "repairing" a Ford has been completely removed from the equation. Yes services will cost more on the "Luxury" brands (if you're numb headed enough to get simple services for your car at an authorized Lexus dealer) but heck repair work? You'd be hard pressed to find these (Lexus/Toyota) cars break down.

Toyota Hilux has been the only car to be driven to the North Pole and let's not forget the Top Gear event where they tried to drown, burn, and drop a Toyota pick up from the roof of a detonating building and a mechanic was able to start the car with nothing but a screw driver (iirc).

I'm not a Toyota / Lexus fanatic per se (I never was) until I saw those shows. Glorious words of Clarkson where after 2 days of driving through ice fortresses in the North Pole, he was complaining about how the cold weather was killing their sound recording equipment, their cameras, their GPS equipment, their weather tracking equipment, but give the Hilux a few minutes to warm up and the diesel engine was the only thing that worked flawlessly on the round trip.

That's saying a lot for the engine (and is why I have come to appreciate Toyota as a company).[/QUOTE]

OK...i tested toyotas, nissan, hummer mark 1 on - 40 C and guess who won?

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so much for that

p.s. the nissan had a crack down the side of one of the pistons after about 3 weeks of heavy use...thankfully the manufacturer replaced the whole engine for free.

#1484942Post 9 of 45

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when you say tested, can you specify?

ps: I don't recognize that vehicle, what is it? from the color of the vehicle and it's stance, it looks like some sort of military grade vehicle designed for some serious terrain and weather. IF that is what it is and you tried to take a corolla against it ion -40C, then I think we'll stop discussing cars here.

#1484943Post 10 of 45

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[QUOTE=DIDI;943855] Get rid of your car, use public transport,or walk, and rent the appropriate car/ van/ truck/ limo anytime you like :)[/QUOTE]

^

I'm carless now. I still own one but it's in storage. The cost of running a car is just fucking daft, If i need to, for work, i lease or rent or borrow vans but mostly i get by without.

#1484948Post 11 of 45

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[QUOTE=Kamal;944004]when you say tested, can you specify?

ps: I don't recognize that vehicle, what is it? from the color of the vehicle and it's stance, it looks like some sort of military grade vehicle designed for some serious terrain and weather. IF that is what it is and you tried to take a corolla against it ion -40C, then I think we'll stop discussing cars here.[/QUOTE]

I had a choice to pick a car to drive for my stay in Siberia...and all I wanted was god damn reliability at extreme temperatures...I played around with each car for around a week. The Toyota...was a land cruiser, the Nissan was a 2006 Nissan Patrol and Hummer was a military surplus one bought in Germany. The car on the photo is a piece of shit Lada - Niva with a 1.8 litter engine but believe you me it worked like a charm. The only thing lacking was heated seats and remote controlled ignition...which all others had.

#1484949Post 12 of 45

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I'd be curious to know little more about your experience (total thread hijack). Like I said, I, in no way shape or form, was ever a Toyota fan so yea I'd like to hear more. What sort of engines did they have? were they all Gas (or diesel?). I find it amazing that the land cruiser was a fail.

#1484951Post 13 of 45

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[QUOTE=Shpira;943969]^^This. I use public transport or taxis. . .but then I do live in a highly urbanised environment which isn't the case with most of the US and London does have a pretty damn good public transport system.

.[/QUOTE]

Public transport just isn't an option in some cities. Even if it was a great option, i'd definitely use it more often, but i'd still have a car. I love to drive.

#1484955Post 14 of 45

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[QUOTE=Kamal;944011]I'd be curious to know little more about your experience (total thread hijack). Like I said, I, in no way shape or form, was ever a Toyota so yea I'd like to hear more. What sort of engines did they have? were they all Gas (or diesel?). I find it amazing that the land cruiser was a fail.[/QUOTE]

All were diesels as far as I recall... I believe both Toyota and Nissan were 3.2 or 3.5...It did well once I got it started but I have real trouble with that...you cannot conceive how cold that is so I am not really surprised .The Hummer had its Oil frozen! We left it outside for a weekend and on Monday the oil was frozen...never fucking seen anything like it. So... Toyota did do pretty well... until we had the Nissan's engine block replaced...after that the Nissan purred. . .still I think I will not be buying a Japanese SUBV anytime soon...if I had a choice out of all that I have tried...i would go for:

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#1484959Post 15 of 45

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take your poncy sports activity vehicle and shove it

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[video=youtube;Ri05q5daGx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri05q5daGx0&NR=1[/video]

#1484974Post 16 of 45

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#1485003Post 17 of 45

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It's hardly cold in Florida, but I have driven my Avalon over a mountain once, there was a road, if you could call it that... after an hour of the rocky terrain I then drove it 9 hours back to Florida from north carolina.

#1485404Post 18 of 45

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[QUOTE=DIDI;943855]Or do what I did ! Get rid of your car, use public transport,or walk, and rent the appropriate car/ van/ truck/ limo anytime you like :D The amazing thing about this is you find out just how infrequently you really need a vehicle. Of course I realise this isn't going to work everywhere. :) When it does it's great. No parking problems !!! :lol:

Btw I did a cost benefit analysis when I got rid of my vehicle . I've actually been far better off financially that I calculated, possibly because I really do only get a vehicle when I need it, and that isn't anywhere near as much as I expected! :)[/QUOTE]

BUT my dear, you live in a city where public transport is well organised and run properly so its viable.. in my city i couldnt possibly rely without a car tbh... well personally i prolly could at a [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=1441"]pinch[/url] cos i live within walking distance of train and supermarket, but lots of people here couldnt...

#1485417Post 19 of 45

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You haven't been reading our newspapers, apparently our public transport is shit !! :lol: You love cars :D I loved driving, but since I haven't had a car it is just incredibly liberating. !! Not having to rely on a car is a really good thing. :D I do live in a very good spot, but I travel out of it a lot, and by PT. And I plan my trips. :)

#1485427Post 20 of 45

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[QUOTE=Dhar_2;944022]take your poncy sports activity vehicle and shove it

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[video=youtube;Ri05q5daGx0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri05q5daGx0&NR=1[/video][/QUOTE]

looks like a typical commute....if you don't live in civilization. most people who can afford poncy vehicles don't live in the backwoods btw.

#1485445Post 21 of 45

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i'd die without my cars

#1485446Post 22 of 45

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car not cars !

#1485467Post 23 of 45

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I have a long commute to work so... My highlight of the day is when i get on my car and blast a nice set!

#1485470Post 24 of 45

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[QUOTE=pipey;944527]BUT my dear, you live in a city where public transport is well organised and run properly so its viable.. in my city i couldnt possibly rely without a car tbh... well personally i prolly could at a [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=1441"]pinch[/url] cos i live within walking distance of train and supermarket, but lots of people here couldnt...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DIDI;943855]Or do what I did ! Get rid of your car, use public transport,or walk, and rent the appropriate car/ van/ truck/ limo anytime you like :D The amazing thing about this is you find out just how infrequently you really need a vehicle. Of course I realise this isn't going to work everywhere. :) When it does it's great. No parking problems !!! :lol:

Btw I did a cost benefit analysis when I got rid of my vehicle . I've actually been far better off financially that I calculated, possibly because I really do only get a vehicle when I need it, and that isn't anywhere near as much as I expected! :)[/QUOTE]

Sadly here in LaLa Land a car is a necessity, our so called public transport BLOWS and everything is really spread out.

BTW here's a pic of both my cars when they decided to break down at the same time;

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5606998950_8e2e135e88_b.jpg[/img]

#1485490Post 25 of 45

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^ouch! there's nothing cheap about fixing either of those rides. good luck!

What do you pay per gallon of gas (93 octane) in LA right now for your bmw? $4.50?

#1485524Post 26 of 45

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;944631]^ouch! there's nothing cheap about fixing either of those rides. good luck!

What do you pay per gallon of gas (93 octane) in LA right now for your bmw? $4.50?[/QUOTE]

LOL... no there isn't. We don't have 93 octane here, just 91. BOTH cars take 91 octane. Last time I filled up it was $65. I just broke the windshield on the S4 while changing the windshield wiper blades... I just came back in and started drinking. :shock::shock::shock:

#1485529Post 27 of 45

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[QUOTE=hypoluxxa;944666]LOL... no there isn't. We don't have 93 octane here, just 91. BOTH cars take 91 octane. Last time I filled up it was $65. I just broke the windshield on the S4 while changing the windshield wiper blades... I just came back in and started drinking. :shock::shock::shock:[/QUOTE]

Funk :( just from putting weight on it? must have been a small break in the windshield already, sorry man that sux.

#1485530Post 28 of 45

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Do you like 1 over the other or do u like bmw and audi for different reasons?

#1485540Post 29 of 45

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[QUOTE=hypoluxxa;944606]Sadly here in LaLa Land a car is a necessity, our so called public transport BLOWS and everything is really spread out.

BTW here's a pic of both my cars when they decided to break down at the same time;

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/5606998950_8e2e135e88_b.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Bugger :lol: Yeah, I've actually heard that The US isn't that pedestrian friendly.

#1485543Post 30 of 45

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;944671]Funk :( just from putting weight on it? must have been a small break in the windshield already, sorry man that sux.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=floridaorange;944672]Do you like 1 over the other or do u like bmw and audi for different reasons?[/QUOTE]

I was having trouble getting the old wiper out, it finally came off the arm... it snapped back and put a hole in the windshield. I can laugh about it now. I've always loved and owned BMW's, I was curious about the S4 so I bought one, used of course. Totally different cars. The wife wants me to pick one and sell the other, we'll see.

#1485544Post 31 of 45

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[QUOTE=DIDI;944682]Bugger :lol: Yeah, I've actually heard that The US isn't that pedestrian friendly.[/QUOTE]

Los Angeles especially, Manhattan is another story, I was happy to get around without a car while on vacation.

#1485558Post 32 of 45

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I love walking around cities in other countries. It's one of the best parts about travelling :D

Btw Pipey, we have an "Official Fuck Metro trains!!" thread on our local forum :lol: So not everyone thinks our PT is good. I think it's fine. :lol:

#1485596Post 33 of 45

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[QUOTE=DIDI;944708]I love walking around cities in other countries. It's one of the best parts about travelling :D

[/QUOTE] yeah me too! i remember walking thru the whole city of barcelona, took me a week and i did it in flip flops, after a week i had to buy new ones :lol:

#1485601Post 34 of 45

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Always wear good quality running shoes. Barcelona is really interesting. We were only there for a couple of days unfortunately .

#1485894Post 35 of 45

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[QUOTE=DIDI;944754]Always wear good quality running shoes. Barcelona is really interesting. We were only there for a couple of days unfortunately .[/QUOTE]

Been there twice, I liked it. We were there right before the 3rd Bedrock birthday, I wanna say 2002.

#1485950Post 36 of 45

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I was there 2003 .

#1485957Post 37 of 45

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i was there 2004

#1485958Post 38 of 45

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i think :what

#1485976Post 39 of 45

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^^^ :lol: Good time eh??

Just for the record , I would never say to someone don't buy an expensive car, If people have the money and that's the way they want to spend it , good for them :)

If I was inclined it would be probably be something like an old Merc or Jag rather than a new car. Do have a bit of a soft spot for the Tesla roadster though ! :D

#1485980Post 40 of 45

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[QUOTE=DIDI;945182]^^^ :lol: Good time eh??

[/QUOTE]spain is amazing, we did valencia, barcelona, madrid and bilbao

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