I'm working on a documentary

#1459571Post 41 of 702011-02-02

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#1459573Post 42 of 702011-02-02

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#1459576Post 43 of 702011-02-02

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:HolyFuck:

#1459631Post 44 of 702011-02-02

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Ignorance is a bliss don't pay attention to these type of people man...do your thing and forget about him.

All the best

#1459634Post 45 of 702011-02-02

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Jeff, what Kassios said.

Pumper, honestly, opinions are great and everything but you don't have to go ape shit on someone just because you disagree with them. Remember, it's very easy being an asshole, it takes effort to be nice. So if you can't play nice, don't open the thread.

And to head over somewhere else and bitch him out is seriously childish. I don't know if you're having a bad time and you're picking on the one thing that ticked you off, but ease off him brotha.

#1459640Post 46 of 702011-02-02

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this isn't the first time he's acted this way Kamal

#1459650Post 47 of 702011-02-02

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;925143]this isn't the first time he's acted this way Kamal[/QUOTE]

^^^This

#1459654Post 48 of 702011-02-02

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just went through his posts..can't find any real flaming...maybe he just dislikes the art...let it be i say.

#1459655Post 49 of 702011-02-02

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let's gut the prick :twisted:

j/k

remember, the vibe he is putting out is gonna come back to him one way or another 100% so you can actually feel sorry for the guy

or whatever...

#1459667Post 50 of 702011-02-02

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I totally disagree with the project and think it's unacceptable to ask people to 'donate' (a word usually associated with charity) towards a personal project in the toughest times of our generation. If the project was to fund a conservation effort in a 3rd world country he'd have my blessing but it isn't. The reaction is because it's an unthoughtful thing to do at this time. There are many people who will read it who haven't got a job and have been made redundant. Requesting funding for things like this should be done amongst friends on a personal one to one level. It's so unbelievably cheeky to send out a global message for help which has no charitable benefit.

#1459669Post 51 of 702011-02-02

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^^now that is what i call an opinnion. see you can do it nicely ;)

#1459688Post 52 of 702011-02-02

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[QUOTE=pumper&dumper;925185]I totally disagree with the project and think it's unacceptable to ask people to 'donate' (a word usually associated with charity) towards a personal project in the toughest times of our generation. If the project was to fund a conservation effort in a 3rd world country he'd have my blessing but it isn't. The reaction is because it's an unthoughtful thing to do at this time. There are many people who will read it who haven't got a job and have been made redundant. Requesting funding for things like this should be done amongst friends on a personal one to one level. It's so unbelievably cheeky to send out a global message for help which has no charitable benefit.[/QUOTE]

Jeff has been apart of this community for a long time, and there are some people on here that I am sure he considers friends so that is why he posted it. He is not forcing anyone to help him, he is simply sharing something he is passionate about with us and there is nothing wrong with it.

Despite the issues with the economy etc., it is no reason to attack someone or bash something they are passionate about. Simply bite your tongue, leave the thread, and carry on about your day.

#1459701Post 53 of 702011-02-02

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:lol: Ummm people look for funding for movie projects from other ARTISTS all the time. If one person has interest and the funds to dontate, great, if nobody does, great, but ASKING is never wrong.

Just ask highsteppa or anyone else in this industry, it's very common. No harm no foul by Jeff.

Personally I found the project interesting and who knows who else it may also inspire on here to create something similar one day, or whatever.

Just because art isn't important to you, do not assume it is not important to anyone else.

/rant

#1459743Post 54 of 702011-02-03

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^^^ But they are asking other artists. While I don't think there is anything wrong with asking, the timing is a little insensitive. I also think the "piss off if you don't agree" attitude expressed here is a tad unfair. :lol: It's people discussing and having different opinions that gets things done in this world.

Btw Jeffrey, if you didn't want this spread over the net, putting up that link probably wasn't the best move.:)

I also looked through back posts and didn't find anything particularly offensive , and that has got to be worth something with my rep :lol:

#1459745Post 55 of 702011-02-03

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so, because the economy is bad people are to not ask for donations for a project their working? lol, that's a tad unfair and kickstarter is a GREAT programme

#1459747Post 56 of 702011-02-03

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I wasn't referring to the economy and you will note I did say I don't think it's not wrong to ask :) But at the moment so many people around the world are dying and really, really need help. But this is my personal opinion.

A few years ago my opinion would have been pretty much the same as pumperdumper. But over the years I have come to realise the importance of art in a spiritual way. We need it. !! But now a lot of people are just fighting for actual survival and my charity dollar is limited. Actually instead of giving credits and dvds , putting on shows for charity might have been a better idea. That's constructive :)

#1459824Post 57 of 702011-02-03

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I can't believe the stuff I am reading. Jeffrey is putting the word out on a passion project of his. He is not forcing anyone to donate. He is not spamming. He is not forcing anyone to even read this thread. What difference does it make what else is going on in the world or if the economy is bad? I just don't see the relevance!

[QUOTE=DIDI;925287]But at the moment so many people around the world are dying and really, really need help. But this is my personal opinion.[/QUOTE]

Then do something about it, instead of suggesting this is what Jeffrey should be concentrating on.

#1459845Post 58 of 702011-02-03

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now this thread is making ME lol

I really can not see the connection between someone trying to fund a project and people around the world dying and really really needing help as if everything else is supposed to stop moving forward until everyone in the world is safe, unbelievable if that's the way you TRULY feel, maybe the next time you want to go spend money on cover at a club or buy booze or cigarettes, YOU should think about the people around the world that could use that money? if not, then get off your high fucking horse and keep that shit to yourself

#1459856Post 59 of 702011-02-03

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Didi, your purple name color means you're a recent donor :)

#1459892Post 60 of 702011-02-03

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I guess the point that some people are trying to make is that the question is not so much "was P&D's post the pinnacle of nastiness," it's "was that intended to be part of a dialog, or was it just being mean-spirited for the hell of it?" Seems to me this is closer to being mean-spirited, and then the question becomes, "is this really what you want?" There was a period in 2007-08, I think -- and there have ben others, as well -- where people pretty much just let the venom fly, and I gotta say, those weren't really fun times to be around here.

#1459954Post 61 of 702011-02-03

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;925411]now this thread is making ME lol

I really can not see the connection between someone trying to fund a project and people around the world dying and really really needing help as if everything else is supposed to stop moving forward until everyone in the world is safe, unbelievable if that's the way you TRULY feel, maybe the next time you want to go spend money on cover at a club or buy booze or cigarettes, YOU should think about the people around the world that could use that money? if not, then get off your high fucking horse and keep that shit to yourself[/QUOTE]

+1

#1459956Post 62 of 702011-02-03

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;925411]now this thread is making ME lol

I really can not see the connection between someone trying to fund a project and people around the world dying and really really needing help as if everything else is supposed to stop moving forward until everyone in the world is safe, unbelievable if that's the way you TRULY feel, maybe the next time you want to go spend money on cover at a club or buy booze or cigarettes, YOU should think about the people around the world that could use that money? if not, then get off your high fucking horse and keep that shit to yourself[/QUOTE] Interesting the way you choose to interpret things. :)

Strangely enough I don't have a need to explain myself or my donating habits. But your bully boy attitude won't stop me from having an opinion or expressing it if I want to :) And somehow without abusing anyone ;)

#1459981Post 63 of 702011-02-03

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[QUOTE=pumper&dumper;925185]I totally disagree with the project and think it's unacceptable to ask people to 'donate' (a word usually associated with charity) towards a personal project in the toughest times of our generation. If the project was to fund a conservation effort in a 3rd world country he'd have my blessing but it isn't. The reaction is because it's an unthoughtful thing to do at this time. There are many people who will read it who haven't got a job and have been made redundant. Requesting funding for things like this should be done amongst friends on a personal one to one level. It's so unbelievably cheeky to send out a global message for help which has no charitable benefit.[/QUOTE]

if you're a true pumperndumper in the [U]financial context[/U], then it's really unacceptable for you to be posting anything regarding how much you despise art. Pumpersndumpers are loathed by the trading world and therefore, i find it unacceptable that your name resembles the jokers that hype up equities and steal money by falsely advertising crap companies.

#1459986Post 64 of 702011-02-04

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[QUOTE=Localizer;925594]if you're a true pumperndumper in the [U]financial context[/U], then it's really unacceptable for you to be posting anything regarding how much you despise art. Pumpersndumpers are loathed by the trading world and therefore, i find it unacceptable that your name resembles the jokers that hype up equities and steal money by falsely advertising crap companies.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

#1459988Post 65 of 702011-02-04

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[QUOTE=toasty;925472]There was a period in 2007-08, I think -- and there have ben others, as well -- where people pretty much just let the venom fly, and I gotta say, those weren't really fun times to be around here.[/QUOTE]

I know exactly when you are referring too and I know I definitely don't want to be apart of anything like that again!

If this place suddenly becomes a place like back in the times toasty is referring to, it isn't going to be a place where like-minded people can come to and feel safe to talk about things they love and are passionate about in life. We are not one of those communities where people are afraid to to post and simply lurk in fear of being attacked or criticized. We are better then that here.

This community is suppose to be about people having a common bond and love for music. With that, this community built the reputation of being a fun, welcoming place where even life-long friends are made. The type of friends that I would trust my life with, who I care about, and even some I love with my whole heart. If we lose this, then we are no longer the community I thought we were, and that would be a very sad thing in my opinion

#1459996Post 66 of 702011-02-04

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[QUOTE=DancingQueen;925604]I know exactly when you are referring too and I know I definitely don't want to be apart of anything like that again!

If this place suddenly becomes a place like back in the times toasty is referring to, it isn't going to be a place where like-minded people can come to and feel safe to talk about things they love and are passionate about in life. We are not one of those communities where people are afraid to to post and simply lurk in fear of being attacked or criticized. We are better then that here.

This community is suppose to be about people having a common bond and love for music. With that, this community built the reputation of being a fun, welcoming place where even life-long friends are made. The type of friends that I would trust my life with, who I care about, and even some I love with my whole heart. If we lose this, then we are no longer the community I thought we were, and that would be a very sad thing in my opinion[/QUOTE]

** Insert applause here **

:Bingo:

#1459999Post 67 of 702011-02-04

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[QUOTE=DancingQueen;925604]I know exactly when you are referring too and I know I definitely don't want to be apart of anything like that again!

If this place suddenly becomes a place like back in the times toasty is referring to, it isn't going to be a place where like-minded people can come to and feel safe to talk about things they love and are passionate about in life. We are not one of those communities where people are afraid to to post and simply lurk in fear of being attacked or criticized. We are better then that here.

This community is suppose to be about people having a common bond and love for music. With that, this community built the reputation of being a fun, welcoming place where even life-long friends are made. The type of friends that I would trust my life with, who I care about, and even some I love with my whole heart. If we lose this, then we are no longer the community I thought we were, and that would be a very sad thing in my opinion[/QUOTE]

Beautifully said DQ :Respect:

#1460112Post 68 of 702011-02-04

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[QUOTE=pumper&dumper;925185]I totally disagree with the project and think it's unacceptable to ask people to 'donate' (a word usually associated with charity) towards a personal project in the toughest times of our generation. If the project was to fund a conservation effort in a 3rd world country he'd have my blessing but it isn't. The reaction is because it's an unthoughtful thing to do at this time. There are many people who will read it who haven't got a job and have been made redundant. Requesting funding for things like this should be done amongst friends on a personal one to one level. It's so unbelievably cheeky to send out a global message for help which has no charitable benefit.[/QUOTE] Dear pumper&dumper,

Guess what? Nobody asked you to be the Internet Donation Police and pass your righteous moral judgment on what causes can and can't solicit donations and when they can and can't do it. Most of us on here are adults who can decide on our own what causes we will and won't support; your "help" in this regard is not needed or desired.

But still, if you insist on manufacturing "faux personal insult" over ridiculous things, then that is your right. Just know that most of us who have our heads on straight find it thoroughly lame. It's just an art documentary, for God's sake; it's not like Jeffrey came in here asking you to donate money to a kiddie porn flick or to microwave cute kittens. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to donate to anyone at any time.

Do you also get insulted over the fact that people spend money on discretionary items such as magazines, skull candy headphones, automobiles, air conditioning, sneakers, and iPads? Maybe those should fall on your "bad" moral list too, seeing as they represent discretionary spending during a tough time and all (and I'm sure you're not a hypocrite who consumes any of that stuff). I'm sure there are a lot of other little things for which you can look down on everyone else if you just put your mind to it.

Millions of people and organizations solicit donations for all kinds of causes every day, and times have [I]never [/I]been such that there is no poverty, war, etc. If you don't like the cause, then how about this: JUST DON'T FREAKING DONATE. There. Is that so hard? And the best thing is that you can do this all without your douchy "holier-than-thou" attitude, by the way. All you have to do is have the maturity to get over yourself starting now.

Think about it. This shouldn't require five pages.

Sincerely, Miroslav

#1460126Post 69 of 702011-02-04

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^^ Indiscriminate hate IS the way forward.

#1460152Post 70 of 702011-02-04

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Locking this thread, Jeffrey, please start another one and let the love fly again.

Music madethis place,we just kept itgoing...

I'm working on a documentary