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Electronica Article in NY Times

40 durable postsStarted 2005-01-24Latest 2006-02-14
#9197Post 1 of 40

this is an interesting read, but the author (who has also written the book "Generation Ecstasy : Into the World of Techno and Rave Culture" obviously loses some credibility by not fact checking some of his information.

One big error is the fact of calling IKON a small club! WHAT! IKON...EXIT...CARBON...just many of the names of that location is not at all small. The space with it's large dancefloor and numerous rooms can comfortably pack in 9,000 people...although no one goes there anymore due to horrible mgmt. and promotion groups just can't revive that place at all. Even Godskitchen gave up trying to revive this place last year...

[i]By SIMON REYNOLDS

IN the first months of 2005, two of electronic dance music's biggest bands will release what are generally referred to as long-awaited albums. But what's uncertain is how many people are actually waiting to greet the Chemical Brothers' "Push the Button," out this week, or Daft Punk's "Human After All," due in March. If the humiliatingly lukewarm response to last fall's comeback albums by the top dance acts the Prodigy and Fatboy Slim is any measure, neither Daft Punk nor the Chemical Brothers ought to bank on teeming throngs at the record stores or a warm radio welcome.

During the halcyon days of the late 90's, these groups were the Big Four of crossover electronica, their music fusing techno's pounding machine rhythms with anthemic hooks and hard riffs that worked as well on rock radio as they did on the dance floor. The Prodigy's success eclipsed everybody else's ("The Fat of the Land" sold nearly three million copies in America alone), but Daft Punk and Chemical Brothers enjoyed MTV hits ("Da Funk" and "Setting Sun," respectively), while tracks by Fatboy Slim achieved ubiquity via movie soundtracks and TV commercials.

In those days, electronica was so trendy that Madonna jumped on two different techno bandwagons in swift succession, assimilating the euphoric riffs of trance with "Ray of Light" and aping the spangly effervescence of French house on "Music." The bullish mood in the electronic community back then was typified by Paul Oakenfold, the British superstar D.J., who tried to break his moistly emotional brand of trance in America, in the belief that this country was set to be dance music's next big commercial frontier.

Quite the opposite happened. In the new millennium, the mainstream profile of dance music dipped alarmingly. This downturn occurred on both sides of the Atlantic, but it was particularly precipitous in America, where electronica was edged off of the charts by the twin juggernauts of nu-metal and pop-punk, along with the perennial might of hip-hop. But it wasn't just a case of mass-media gatekeepers abandoning electronic music. Something was ailing at the grass roots of the scene. Formerly packed superclubs began to close, or move to smaller venues. Large raves, once the mainstay of dance culture, became nearly extinct. "Rave is dead in the Los Angeles area," says the West Coast scene watcher Dennis Romero, who is news editor at the dance magazine BPM.

As recently as 2001, Southern California was still the most vibrant rave scene in America, but according to Mr. Romero, the kids just aren't coming out to big events anymore, partly because of Ecstasy burnout. "The superclubs here are starting to see diminishing numbers as well," Mr. Romero says, "with popular nights like Spundae taking a hiatus and Red closing down altogether."

Not only were sales of crossover-oriented electronica plummeting; the underground dance music sold in specialist record stores also declined. Some of those shops have closed because business is slow and record labels are suffering. "People I know who run labels keep getting worse and worse news," says William Linn, a San Francisco-based dance party promoter. "Partly it's because of the Internet, people just taking the music for free. But it's also because people aren't buying the stuff in the way they were when the music was a really new thing back in the early 90's." During that rave culture heyday, an underground anthem could sell anywhere from 10,000 to 50,000 copies. Today, shifting a thousand copies of a 12-inch single is considered a good result.

What happened? One cause is the continued fragmentation of dance culture into myriad micro-genres with narrow aesthetic parameters and niche followings. Another factor is musical overproduction, which effectively divides the pie into smaller slices. But the overall pie also seems to be shrinking as well. Dance music has simply lost the ear of the floating consumer. This may be, in part, a matter of fashion: electronic dance music had been around long enough to lose its "new kid on the subcultural block" status. The music had become familiar, and familiarity bred ennui.

Other genres have certainly suffered this kind of problem; dance music is going through the kind of midlife crisis that afflicts any genre that's been around a while (think rock music in the 1980's). "We're just waiting for the next Big New Thing in dance music to come along," says Norman Cook, the man behind Fatboy Slim. "Right now we're between New Things, and no one quite knows what the next one will be."

The central idea of electronic music's unwritten manifesto was always to surge full-tilt into the future. But in recent years many creators of dance music have been investigating the genre's own history, reworking ideas from electro, synthpop and Italodisco. Even more oddly, others have been looking to rock music for reinvigoration. Mr. Cook's "Palookaville" used rock instrumentation (guitar and bass) and more conventional verse/chorus song structures. Last year's biggest dancefloor anthem was Alter Ego's "Rocker," whose simple, chugging rhythm and squealing riffs are transparently modeled on heavy metal. Swaths of Daft Punk's new album, "Human After All," resemble an electronicized version of hard rock. Two highly touted early 2005 albums, the self-titled debut from LCD Soundsystem and Mu's "Out of Breach," have a rough-hewn, "live" garage punk feel to much of their contents.

Other currently hot outfits like Black Strobe, Tiefschwarz and Kiki hark back to 80's alternative rock genres like Goth and industrial. Kiki's "End of the World," for instance, features the Finnish-born producer paying vocal homage to the doomy, hollow-drone baritone of Andrew Eldritch of the goth-rock gods Sisters of Mercy. Perhaps the most bizarre example of dance music ransacking rock's archives was last year's fad for schaffel (German for shuffle), which involved producers renovating the stomping rhythms of 70's glam rock artists like T. Rex and Gary Glitter. It's hard to say whether all these different forms of rockified techno represent a subconscious attempt by the scene to ingratiate its way back into the mainstream, or are simply a case of producers looking for genre-crossing thrills. But none of them exactly restake dance music's claim as the music of the future.

Alongside its commitment to constant innovation, another central tenet of dance culture was the idea of being underground, an outlaw scene. In the early days, dance culture was oriented around one-off raves in unusual locations, often involving organizers breaking into warehouses or invading outdoor spaces. Proper safety codes were rarely observed, drugs were rife and the behavior of the participants verged on anarchy. Gradually, the thrills and dangers of raves were replaced by the more reliable pleasures offered by superclubs - organized by professionals and regularly scheduled but still fairly wild in terms of drug-fueled hedonism.

Today, the action is mostly in small clubs - like APT (419 West 13th Street) and Ikon (610 West 56th Street) in Manhattan - in some cases barely more than glorified bars. There, the audience exudes a clean-cut, metrosexual aura. At times it feels as if the room has been teleported to a chic bar in Barcelona or Berlin, especially as, more often than not, the D.J. is from Europe. Germany, in particular, is the spiritual homeland for American dance hipsters these days. Most of the leading labels - Kompakt, B-Pitch Control, Playhouse, Get Physical - are based there. In fact, some North American D.J.'s and producers like Richie Hawtin have moved to Germany because the climate for electronic music is more supportive.

If neither sonic futurism nor underground edginess apply any longer, electronic dance music's remaining raison d'?tre is, well, dancing. But in recent years it may have been beaten on the shake-your-booty front by dancehall and Southern rap. In response, some dance producers have started to draw upon raucously vibrant "street" beats: crunk, Miami bass, dancehall, grime and so forth.

The result is a growing hybrid genre, highlighted on the recent, excellent compilation "Shockout," known as "breakcore." Purveyed by artists like DJ/Rupture and Teamshadetek, the music combines rumbling basslines, fidgety beats and grainy ragga vocals to create a home-listening surrogate for the "bashment" vibe of a Jamaican sound system party. Others within the breakcore genre, like Knifehandchop, Kid 606 and Soundmurderer, hark back to rave's own early days, their music evoking the rowdy fervor of a time when huge crowds flailed their limbs to a barrage of abstract noise and convulsive rhythm. It's a poignant aural mirage of a time when techno music was made for the popular vanguard rather than a connoisseurial elite, as it is today.

Today's sharpest contemporary dance music operators, like Tiefschwarz or LCD Soundsystem, are roughly equivalent to recombinant rock auteurs of the 90's like PJ Harvey and Pavement, who generated sounds that weren't strictly innovative but managed to somehow feel original. Tiefschwarz's brothers-in-production duo Ali and Basti Schwarz and LCD's James Murphy have an almost scholarly knowledge of dance music history. They're adept at getting period sounds, but they combine them in fresh ways.

On LCD's album and Tiefschwarz's superb remix collection "Misch Masch," we don't really encounter the shock of the new; instead we get the frisson of novelty, subtle twists and cunning permutations within an established form. Which will have to be enough for now, until dance music producers once again figure out how to smack listeners upside the head with sonic strangeness.[/i]

#347204Post 2 of 40

i read the ny times for school but because of lack of time, i automatically throw out the arts page, look what a missed....

#347205Post 3 of 40

i think this is a decent article, with the exception that he doesnt really mention trance at all (Tiesto, etc.). I dont like the guy personally, but the guy is huge. Out of all the "electronica" genres, trance seems to be doing really well at least from what i hear and read in other articles. i just don't like it. pvd, avb, tiesto = huge draws at clubs and people recognize their names (where i'm from anyways). anyways, thanks for posting the article.

#347257Post 4 of 40

i appreciated the article as well. its a good thing that the mainstream has passed us by, now real invoation continues to be possible.

#347271Post 5 of 40

Re: Electronica Article in NY Times

I read his Generation Ecstasy book and it was very well written...

One thing of note that is very true:

the dance music industry is hurting badly! selling 1000 copies of a 12" these days is monumental...

#347280Post 6 of 40

It's amazing how authors can write an entire article on dance music and rant on and on about how it's suffering so badly. Yet, the author completely neglected any real dance music. I mean, do you see the name Sasha, Zabiela, or even Tiesto in there?

The author should open his eyes and see the vibrant scene that is out there these days.

#347293Post 7 of 40

Re: Electronica Article in NY Times

Def. a good article.. good read thx for posting

#347298Post 8 of 40

Personally, when I create music and mixes, it's not for your average listener. It's for the people already in it. I'm not interested in grabbing more people nor am I interested in glorifying our music because as we all know, going "commercial" isn't the way to go.

As for the statement of Hawtin going to Germany....well, as most of us know, Euro governments are more supportive of the scene than the North American governments.

Another problem arises as well and that is the technology we are given. We nailed a trade-off: struggling artists or the struggling dj. DJ's now are equipped with cdj's and laptops and anything in between (final scratch) which consequently puts a dent in the financial respiration of our industry.

We kicked our own selves in the ass with this one boys and girls....

#347320Post 9 of 40

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Some good points made. To me the scene is just sooooo saturated with tons of music now. I remember many years ago going to a small record shop and listening to the cds, then purchasing them. I would listen to that cd over and over agian and try to build my collection. Back then choices were more limited. Now I have more mixes then I know what to do with. I probably have not even listened to half my collection. Theres not enough time to listen to it all. Weve gotton spoiled over time. Oh well thats just my $.02 Very good read, thanks for that Article.

#347339Post 10 of 40

it makes me not want to g out now, its flooded with bullshit. You cant help it. IKON??? fuckin sucks, but yea that makes sense that it is for the hipsters.. Even crobar seems like its for the hipsters..at least the one in ny. I dont tihnk that old aura will ever come back to the twilo days of S&d its depressing to bring up even. o well its too cold in manhattan to even go out lik that. gues we'll just have to rely on the wmc as long as it keeps running every year.

#347355Post 11 of 40

way too long i'll read it on my day off

#347671Post 12 of 40

[quote=Localizer]Personally, when I create music and mixes, it's not for your average listener. It's for the people already in it. I'm not interested in grabbing more people nor am I interested in glorifying our music because as we all know, going "commercial" isn't the way to go.

As for the statement of Hawtin going to Germany....well, as most of us know, Euro governments are more supportive of the scene than the North American governments.

Another problem arises as well and that is the technology we are given. We nailed a trade-off: struggling artists or the struggling dj. DJ's now are equipped with cdj's and laptops and anything in between (final scratch) which consequently puts a dent in the financial respiration of our industry.

We kicked our own selves in the ass with this one boys and girls....[/quote]

well said... the article was decent, but he did miss quite a few things..

I'm happy where the scene is right now.. its heading more underground, not as mainstream and in smaller venues...Its heading towards its roots, where people make, play and listen to music just because thats there passion

#347681Post 13 of 40

i'm also quite happy with the scene right now. Paying a fortune to get into superclubs where they just pack you in and charge you ?3.50 for a bottle of water, fuck that. Smaller venues that actually value you turning up are the way to go. They seem to realise that dance music has a limited community these days and the more people you give a reason not to go, the less people will.

#347684Post 14 of 40

Good read, even if he isn't exactly right in some of what he says.

#347701Post 15 of 40

good read but indeed there are some holes in his reasoning - first of all he only talks about producing music/producers. With edm the one who makes the music is rarely the performer. That's why there's not even Tiesto there not to mention such 'niche' names as digweed or sasha :lol:
And since when exactly germany is the center of the world for edm????? :shock: The only thing that comes to my mind when I think of german edm is DTM (deutsche tanz muzik) that is frequently played on mtv or viva. There are of course some exceptions but there's nothing going on there realy...

#347735Post 16 of 40

[quote=ubiqe]And since when exactly germany is the center of the world for edm????? :shock: The only thing that comes to my mind when I think of german edm is DTM (deutsche tanz muzik) that is frequently played on mtv or viva. There are of course some exceptions but there's nothing going on there realy...[/quote] nothing going on there...please explain why all the best techno djs I know of have moved there within the last few years? and it's not just the techno djs either, a good number of others have made the move as well...

#347739Post 17 of 40

ok, I'm not that much of a techno fan... but when I look at the diaries of my fav djs it seems germany is seldom there - as if there was little audience/promoters. :NotMe:

#347788Post 18 of 40

Re: Electronica Article in NY Times

thought the article was well written with good information. i like the sounds of the 80s and rock being used with dance music.

for those being critical, he couldn't include everything that everyone wanted because the article would be huge.

#348157Post 19 of 40

They're definitely up to date with the new trend of 80's and early 90's influences in EDM; very surprised to see that in the new york times....

The article's a pretty good reflection of how shitty club culture has gotten here in new york and i'm sure in other places too. Definitely an interesting read.

#348230Post 20 of 40

I, for one, am a huge advocate for the dark gritty clubs and booming sound systems. Those low key clubs are what filter out the commoner from the passionate. Once we filter out the commoner, we're left with either the binge druggy or the one that loves the music, and that's where my aim is.

#348274Post 21 of 40

This guy and his generation e book are way too long winded. He needs to get to the point instead of beating around the bush.

#348279Post 22 of 40

Interesting article and great comments by everyone.

I think the article missed another important aspect of today's EDM with the growth of internet radio stations. Like others have already said, its the passionate people with no aim at commercialization that are taking EDM into the future and I think much of that can be credited to the internets ability to bring us together from all corners of the world.

#348352Post 23 of 40

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good read. but i have to disagree, either im not in the right spots or they just dont come. djs from germany. i mostly see people with states DL's.

#348593Post 24 of 40

What day was this? I want to cut it out of the paper itself and tape it to my wall like I do with the other NY Times articles they wrote about electronic music.

The two other electronic music articles from NY Times were from a couple of years ago. One was about using new technology in clubs and stuff, and has a picture of SASHA DJing. The other is titled something like "On Board With The Godfathers of Techno and a Long, Steady Pulse" and it's an interesting read on the pioneers of techno.

#348607Post 25 of 40

[quote=rubyraks][quote=ubiqe]And since when exactly germany is the center of the world for edm????? :shock: [/quote] nothing going on there...[/quote]

:x

#348633Post 26 of 40

:lol: give me some dates, Tom, and i'll come. It's one of the closest places in europe and I can't find anything interesting there. A ticket to DE is still cheaper than to London for example, so I would gladly go there for some partying

#348646Post 27 of 40

[quote=TomTom][quote=rubyraks][quote=ubiqe]And since when exactly germany is the center of the world for edm????? :shock: [/quote] nothing going on there...[/quote]

:x[/quote] did you read the rest of my post? that's called "SARCASM"... :roll:

Here let me make it easy on you... :lol: [quote=rubyraks][quote=ubiqe]And since when exactly germany is the center of the world for edm????? :shock: [/quote] nothing going on there...[color=blue]please explain why all the best techno djs I know of have moved there within the last few years? and it's not just the techno djs either, a good number of others have made the move as well...[/color][/quote]

#348852Post 28 of 40

At this point in time it's hard to describe any general trend in electronic music as a whole, simply because electronic music has become so huge, in terms of numbers of subgenres and DJs. The stuff he writes about doesn't even apply to our (Sasha/Digweed/Prog) scene.

#348918Post 29 of 40

Germany sucks! :RockOn: :Naughty: :roll: :twisted:

#348930Post 30 of 40

and isn't IDM dance music too?

the scene's more healthy than ever, its just that the people making and putting out the music arent making money.

viva la soulseek

#348931Post 31 of 40

oh, and the germans make the best music, EVER, mr hombre

:twisted:

#348945Post 32 of 40

Re: Electronica Article in NY Times

I loved this... :lol:

[quote] Paul Oakenfold, the British superstar D.J., who tried to break his [b]moistly emotional brand of trance[/b] in America... [/quote]

Are you feeling moistly emotional today? :wink:

#353895Post 33 of 40

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i also think the real estate market has had a huge impact on the club scene (esp in NYC). the only way clubs can afford to pay rent here is by charging $50 at the door and $10 for a crappy beer ... not exactly a true EDM fan's idea of a great night out (and maybe more so b/c of all the dockers-wearing morons that come out as a result of the mega-club trend :roll: ) arc, after all, is being converted into condos that will prob start around $800,000 apiece.

#562728Post 34 of 40

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I'm ust discovering what it's like to be connected to the internet after a few years. WOW. is all I can say. Some sites, as well as the dubstep blogs, have so much music that was toally unavailable to me (in the U.S) until I found that little ethernet cord plugged me into all this stuff.

I'm very happy.

#562729Post 35 of 40

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I think EBM is synoymous with Germany. Yes, Front 242 was from Belgium, but all those husge Electro Klub compilations are german. All the goth clubs here play German EBM. Isn't Wolfshem and VNV German? Wait, VNV is Norwegian, right?> Or is that Apoptygma?

#562747Post 36 of 40

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Why is it always new people that dig up ancient threads?

#562800Post 37 of 40

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[Its heading towards its roots, where people make, play and listen to music just because thats there passion[/quote]

AMEN to that my friend

#562823Post 38 of 40

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[quote=jeffrey collins]This guy and his generation e book are way too long winded. He needs to get to the point instead of beating around the bush.[/quote]

:lol: exactly.

#565853Post 39 of 40

Re: Electronica Article in NY Times

Never read the book and don't ever have plans to read it.

#565860Post 40 of 40

Re: Electronica Article in NY Times

[quote=ubiqe]And since when exactly germany is the center of the world for edm????? :shock: The only thing that comes to my mind when I think of german edm is DTM (deutsche tanz muzik) that is frequently played on mtv or viva. There are of course some exceptions but there's nothing going on there realy...[/quote]

:CrackUp::CrackUp::CrackUp:

ya come to think of it i cant name any one from germany who's any good either.

oh wait...yes i can. :roll::roll:

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