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Raves back in the spotlight

27 durable postsStarted 2010-07-05Latest 2010-07-09
#85201Post 1 of 27

[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704699604575343133677383828.html?mod=WSJ_hp_editorsPicks_4[/url]

[quote]LOS ANGELES—Twenty years after their heyday as an underground phenomenon, the drug-fueled dance parties known as raves are making a comeback as massive, commercial events.

But a recent wave of ecstasy-related deaths and hospitalizations tied to such events have left some officials skeptical about their makeover.

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Associated Press Attendees dance to the music of "Laidback Luke" at the Electric Daisy Carnival rave in L.A. on June 26.

Last week, a 15-year-old girl died of apparent drug-related causes following an enormous rave held at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, prompting a temporary moratorium on such gatherings at the municipally owned venue.

An estimated 180,000 people, many of them teenagers, attended the two-day party, known as the Electric Daisy Carnival.

The joint state, county and city commission that oversees the Coliseum is to meet July 16 to consider extending the moratorium or imposing other limitations. Officials in the San Francisco Bay Area are also mulling similar steps in the wake of their own rave-related deaths.

Unlike the original raves in the late 1980s and early '90s, which were often staged without permits in hard-to-find patches of desert or abandoned industrial warehouses, today's version has gone aboveground. Events have been held at other city buildings, at the Cow Palace in Daly City, Calif., near San Francisco, and at New York City's Randall's Island. Promoters charge as much as $85 a day admission, set age restrictions and impose relatively early closing times.

The soundtrack for the events remains the throbbing electronic dance music known as electronica, spun by DJs.

Another thing that hasn't changed: The drug of choice for many attendees is still ecstasy, an illegal stimulant/hallucinogen also known as MDMA that is often cut with other substances.

Taken as a pill or powder, the drug, whose full chemical name is 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, can induce euphoria and doesn't typically cause the kind of traumatic overdose symptoms associated with drugs such as heroin. But ecstasy can cause dehydration—potentially a serious health problem for people dancing all night in hot, cramped conditions.

Doctors say many ecstasy-users end up in emergency rooms because they try to combat dehydration by drinking too much water, causing water intoxication—which can lead to seizure and coma.

The promoters of today's biggest such events often seek to downplay the ecstasy connection and ban paraphernalia typically associated with the drug. Banned items have included pacifiers, used by rave goers on the drug to minimize the effect of grinding their teeth, and Vicks VapoRub, believed to enhance the effects of the high.

In fact, promoters typically insist that their massive dance parties aren't raves. Instead, they bill the affairs as "electronic-music festivals" and market them as safe events.

Event promoters, such as Insomniac Events and HARD, both based in L.A., say they work with city officials to ensure safety, buying permits and hiring private security, undercover narcotics officers and other law enforcement.

Gary Richards, president of HARD, who says his events aren't raves, puts attendance at the HARD Summer in Los Angeles event at 16,000 last year, up from 6,000 in 2008.

"We're trying to create a party element but encourage people to be responsible," Mr. Richards said. He added: "You don't have to be on drugs…to enjoy electronic music."

But city officials aren't buying it. "A rave by any other name is still a rave," said Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, who requested the moratorium at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum and Sports Arena. "It's the atmosphere and the culture of the event, and the resultant behavior that is the concern—not what we call it."

Although last weekend's Electric Daisy rave was supposed to have a minimum age requirement of 16, attendees say it wasn't enforced. One hundred fourteen attendees were also hospitalized, and 118 were arrested, largely for drug possession, according to local authorities. Some say the rave was chaotic and oversold, with insufficient security.

"They don't really enforce the age limit because if they were to check everybody's ID, the line would take forever," said Alex Pastor, a 21-year-old attendee of the Electric Daisy rave.

Videos circulating on YouTube show crowds of scantily-clad people crashing through gates to stampede into the event, trampling over other attendees, security and police officials.

Pasquale Rotella, owner of Insomniac Events, the promotion company in charge of the Electric Daisy Carnival, didn't respond to requests for comment.

The rave scene waned in the mid and late '90s amid changes in musical tastes and other cultural shifts. The 2003 Illicit Drug Anti-Proliferation Act further dampened enthusiasm for hosting raves by increasing the liability of anyone involved with organizing events whose purpose included the distribution of drugs.

But in recent years electronic dance music has gone mainstream in the U.S., with popular artists such as Kanye West and the Black Eyed Peas embracing the sound in hit songs. That, in turn, has helped fuel a resurgence in the massive dance parties that feature the music.

Last year, the French electronic-music DJ David Guetta released his album "One Love," which has sold about two-million copies and featured mainstream hitmakers such as the Black Eyed Peas and Akon.

"I think what happened is the scene was very underground and then a few people like me had crossover hits that were being played on the radio, and then it started to touch a different audience," said Mr. Guetta in an interview. Mr. Guetta says he has a whole new fan base in "popular-music fans."

Promoters took advantage of the renewed interest, booking more and bigger DJs. Thousands of rave-goers donning colorful, homemade bead bracelets started popping up on the streets again to attend the events.

As electronic music has started to influence mainstream pop genres such as hip-hop, interest in the U.S. has surged. Booking fees in the domestic electronic-music market are expected to hit about $180 million this year, according to Joel Zimmerman, managing director of William Morris Electronic, a large electronic-music booking agency. That's up from $100 million in 2008. Also, he expects that the country will go from representing 20% of the global booking market for electronic artists in 2008 to 35% this year.

"It's just at its fever pitch— it's beyond anybody's wildest dreams, that it could be this big," said Mr. Richards of HARD.

At the same time, medical complications related to ecstasy have soared.

Since 2005, seven-and-a-half times more Los Angeles County residents using drug-treatment facilities are listing MDMA as their primary drug of choice, according to a June report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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At the Electric Daisy Carnival

The report also cited findings from the Drug Abuse Warning Network that MDMA-related emergency-room hospital visits rose nationally almost 75% from the 2004-08 period. In contrast, visits related to other drugs—including heroin, amphetamines and methamphetamines—decreased markedly over the same period.

Marc Futernick, medical director of emergency services at California Hospital Medical Center in L.A., said the hospital has averaged about one death a rave in the past few years. Patients who arrive from raves come in with a mixture of MDMA and amphetamines in their system, he said, because ecstasy pills are often cut with multiple substances. This has led to comas, seizures and high blood pressure in children as young as 13.

When raves happen, he added, "it's the only night we see this level of overdose."[/quote]

thanks to the genre crossover, more fuckheads have joined commercialized events. i suppose it was inevitable.

#1388365Post 2 of 27

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Ray Von people! :p

[video=youtube;zcpYvlpBfUw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcpYvlpBfUw[/video]

#1388366Post 3 of 27

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and people get shot at hip hop parties/clubs weekly

#1388367Post 4 of 27

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;873883]and people get shot at hip hop parties/clubs weekly[/QUOTE]

exactly.

#1388368Post 5 of 27

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[I]Doctors say many ecstasy-users end up in emergency rooms because they try to combat dehydration by drinking too much water, causing water intoxication—which can lead to seizure and coma. [/I] never heard of this happening.

Raves have always been kind of "above ground" in Cali, at least imo... socal-raves.org would list just about everything, 10+ years ago.

#1388370Post 6 of 27

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^^^ i have.. people think you need to constantly drink water when you're rolling which is true, but only to the extent of re-hydrating yourself

#1388371Post 7 of 27

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;873885] Raves have always been kind of "above ground" in Cali, at least imo... socal-raves.org would list just about everything, 10+ years ago.[/QUOTE]

this right here.


audiotistic to follow suit

#1388372Post 8 of 27

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;873885][I]Doctors say many ecstasy-users end up in emergency rooms because they try to combat dehydration by drinking too much water, causing water intoxication—which can lead to seizure and coma.[/I]

never heard of this happening.

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Leah Betts flooded her brain with water

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#1388374Post 9 of 27

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I didn't mean to suggest it doesn't happen, I meant in the circles I hung around in, I never heard of anyone getting sick in any way from drinking too much water.

#1388375Post 10 of 27

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[video=youtube;6dRLFOLqL6A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dRLFOLqL6A[/video]

#1388380Post 11 of 27

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I read this too on Saturday.

Pure Ecstasy (MDMA) is incredibly safe but gets such a bad rap...

People don't seem to understand that when someone dies or ends up in the emergency room after taking a roll--it's not the MDMA that caused the overdose/reaction. Instead it's the mixed bag of unknown substances (i.e. meth, speed, heroin, etc) that were also in that pill. And generally, those colorful pills contain much more of these 'unknown substances' than they do actual MDMA...

If users were more educated and/or MDMA legal or regulated--these types of unfortunate reactions would rarely occur.

#1388382Post 12 of 27

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^^ exactly.. and whatever else knuckle heads are taking at the same time

#1388383Post 13 of 27

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that's all very true (about molly, [I]and the over-abundant diluted state[/I]), but it's still 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, which is still a drug - with highly potent effects

#1388384Post 14 of 27

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[QUOTE=pr0ficient;873898]I read this too on Saturday.

Pure Ecstasy (MDMA) is incredibly safe but gets such a bad rap...

People don't seem to understand that when someone dies or ends up in the emergency room after taking a roll--it's not the MDMA that caused the overdose/reaction. Instead it's the mixed bag of unknown substances (i.e. meth, speed, heroin, etc) that were also in that pill. And generally, those colorful pills contain much more of these 'unknown substances' than they do actual MDMA...

If users were more educated and/or MDMA legal or regulated--these types of unfortunate reactions would rarely occur.[/QUOTE]

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#1388421Post 15 of 27

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same old song and dance...

#1388426Post 16 of 27

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This wouldn't have happened if they played house music.

Just sayin'.

#1388434Post 17 of 27

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ahahahahaha, so true

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#1388477Post 18 of 27

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i love the fact that the officials are condemning the whole scene i.e. music and raves in general rather than parents, friends, society, education etc...i never stop being surprised by ppls stupidity. She would have never died if everyone listened to country

#1388483Post 19 of 27

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[QUOTE=Shpira;874007]i love the fact that the officials are condemning the whole scene i.e. music and raves in general rather than parents, friends, society, education etc...i never stop being surprised by ppls stupidity. She would have never died if everyone listened to country[/QUOTE]

what's surprising is that they conveniently overlook all the people that DIDN'T die of horrible taste in music. or something.

#1388712Post 20 of 27

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[URL]http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=44448[/URL]

#1388715Post 21 of 27

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Drug 101: Respect the fucking drug.

If you want to use, make sure you do your homework. Know how the drug works, know how it should be consumed, check for any side effects when mixed. Test the fucking thing.

There're heaps of resources online like Bluelight and Erowid.

Common sense: You'd do the same with any pharmeceutical or hair or skin product.

But to say MDMA is safe/harmless could be stretching it. Last I was into the research and literature, it's shown that MDMA can deform brain receptors though long-term damage/side effects were yet to be proven.

#1388744Post 22 of 27

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^^^ lots of things in excess can be harmful.. like you said, common sense, that and moderation ;) pure mdma is pretty harmless unless it's abused, it used to be used in therapy sessions before it was made illegal.. there will always be idiots pushing the limits and mixing it with other stuff which will of course tend to lead to a very bad ending

booze is legal, and relatively harmless.. unless it's abused

#1388969Post 23 of 27

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video: [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6631598n&tag=mg;mostpopvideo[/url]

Mega-dance parties known as raves are popular among today's youth. But, as Ben Tracy reports, these raves also serve as a potentially fatal venue for drugs and other illicit activities.

#1389071Post 24 of 27

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wow, from that cbs report...

[QUOTE]Two hundred and twenty six were injured, 114 taken to the hospital, including Grace Rodriguez's daughter Sasha who ended up with brain damage after drinking from a friend's water bottle laced with the drug ecstasy. Rodriguez now has to decide whether to take her 15 year old off life support.[/QUOTE]

water bottle laced with ecstasy? wait a sec. that's a blatant lie, and terribly bad reporting. didn't that girl drink way too much water, which is what caused her these problems?

#1389076Post 25 of 27

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water "laced" with ecstacy? I highly doubt that

sorry for her daughter, that's terrible... but I have a hard time believing these reports and numbers of "injured", and water laced with xtc, and reports that pills are often made with heroin and acid, etc.... it's typical media sensationalising shit as per normal

nice parenting that her 15 year old daughter was at a "rave" to begin with

#1389170Post 26 of 27

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;873950]This wouldn't have happened if they played house music.

Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]

hahahhahaha

#1389306Post 27 of 27

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[QUOTE]In fact, promoters typically insist that their massive dance parties aren't raves. Instead, they bill the affairs as "electronic-music festivals" and market them as safe events. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]"A rave by any other name is still a rave," [/QUOTE]

They're on to us...lol

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