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can someone give me a cliffs on the Guy J saga?

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IIRC the Amber set wasn't that memorable anyway.

Come on DD, people been making recordings of concerts even before DJs and mp3s.

Is it really illegal to make a recording? Like one might record a TV or radio show? Even if disseminated to fans at no cost, who might never have a chance to catch these people live?

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Just furthering the argument Feather. ??? You have your opinion I have mine . Yes people have been making recordings long before mp3s, it was wrong then too . But what makes it so much worse for the artist now, is the advent of the internet. Yes these recordings now are illegal in the full sense of the word if an artist has it in his contract and it is pretty standard in contracts now.

Were you at Ambar ?? Cos, as I've said, most of that set wasn't Guy J , which is why it wasn't that good. But you obviously thought it was, as did many others, so he has definitely suffered !

Whether they are given away or sold, the initial act is theft. We do not have a right to free music. If they give it to us, wonderful!! But it is their music, their decision. I might not agree with that decision but it's still theirs to make!

Strangely enough I am now listening to a Danny Tenaglia cd that I bought on Ebay UK rather than download against his wishes. :lol: The chances of me seeing him are extremely remote.

The facts are that most of the top Djs, including Guy J, do give us great music for free. The illegal stuff is more about someone saying "Look what I got" Far more an ego thing than a music thing. I can't say I've never downloaded anything illegal, but now I know better .

What I find funny is how often people try to get me to download illegal stuff. I'm certainly not hurting anyone by not doing it :lol: I do know some people are just trying to be nice :)

Just as a point , recording in a club, recording a tv show and recording a radio show are actually quite different. Another really good thing that has happened is that a lot of djs put up their radio shows , and in better quality , either on soundcloud or their own sites, plus facebook , myspace, twitter etc. TV channels are also doing similar things I watch more TV on my computer now than my tv. It all just keeps getting better :D

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How's recording in a club, a TV show, and a radio show different? Because I download TV shows via bittorrent and that's a similarly grey area.

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I don't use bittorrent for that reason, plus I get whatever I want from the tv channel direct. Differences ?? Recording in a club is probably the only one that is covered by contract. Tv shows and radio shows are readily available to one and all. As I said they are easy to get legally anyway.

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But it's not the DJ who's recording and breaking the contract. Just like I'm sure the TV networks and music labels would very much prefer nobody record and disseminate TV shows or concert performances.

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^^^ You have got it around the wrong way . The DJ has it in his contract that his set cannot be recorded by anyone else. Tv networks are providing the shows via the internet themselves now. The abc's Iview, free view etc. There really isn't any need to record. We are moving on :D

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But do we know who records these sets?

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^^????

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These sets that were leaked, who recorded them?

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the set monkeys!

:lol:

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[QUOTE=feather;869475]These sets that were leaked, who recorded them?[/QUOTE]Who knows ?? :lol:

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lol. most likely somebody emplyed at the club that is able to sneak and hook a recorder up to the club equipment. obviously the folks at ambar, perth have it figured out. they were able to get a recording from hernan too...those damn aussies....J/K

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^We have ways of punishing people who make fun of australia

[IMG]http://mi9.com/datawallpapers/data/20/1707/1151249466/the-simpsons-bart-vs-australia-_640x480.jpg[/IMG]

Yeah, I'm assuming that it would have to be either a sound guy or another dj who recorded that set from ambar.

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[QUOTE=DIDI;869429]^^^^ Is that the set that this thread was started for ??? I thought that was a discussion we had already had , and it was removed before ?? Btw most of that isn't even Guy J . It really pisses me off that these illegal sets keep doing damage !!.[/QUOTE]

Nope... I did not care that the Ambar set was removed clearly because it was illegal, however the Summer Sessions that was posted (2 days ago ) sounded more like it was a promo. I do agree that illegal sets keep doing damage but may be if a DJ released more of his sets there would be no need for illegal recordings no? For example, JD gives us more than we can handle in terms of live sets and radio shows - is this why we do not see so many illegal recordings of his sets??? Just my thoughts....

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whenever there is a laptop in the dj set up there is a chance it is being recorded, Serato and Traktor both allow you to record whilst playing, or it can be recorded thru an external mic.. etc.. it's not difficult to record a set without anyone knowing

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[QUOTE=chanty;869276]I can't believe you all ignored this or am I missing something? Boy, have things changed around here! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Shit! Totally missed that... I agree with the Ban!

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probably saw this post [URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?24457-Mark-Hunts-House-Florida-(Zen-Afterparty)-Sept-1996)&p=868000&viewfull=1#post868000[/URL] and thought it was the thing to do, lol

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[QUOTE=dusk;869552] For example, JD gives us more than we can handle in terms of live sets and radio shows - is this why we do not see so many illegal recordings of his sets??? Just my thoughts....[/QUOTE]

Well to be fair, IIRC, I believe Digweed has requested for an illegal set to be taken down from here (?)

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[QUOTE=feather;869586]Well to be fair, IIRC, I believe Digweed has requested for an illegal set to be taken down from here (?)[/QUOTE]

Yes dont you remember. he was furious with MS when La Dunne Toolehouse was released illegaly

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^^^ he seems to have gotten over that huh? lol

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if you want to hear a Legal Live Set that is mindblowing check this out......

[URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?86266-Martin-Garcia-Live-Journey(03-27-10-Pacha)Part1-1[/URL] even though he makes u wait god awful long times b4 he releases a live mix...at least he does. this one was clearly worth the wait!! phenominal stuff from garcia

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;869574]probably saw this post [URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?24457-Mark-Hunts-House-Florida-(Zen-Afterparty)-Sept-1996)&p=868000&viewfull=1#post868000[/URL] and thought it was the thing to do, lol[/QUOTE] Obviously that was a wrong thought.

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[QUOTE=cohiba;869518]^We have ways of punishing people who make fun of australia

[IMG]http://mi9.com/datawallpapers/data/20/1707/1151249466/the-simpsons-bart-vs-australia-_640x480.jpg[/IMG]

Yeah, I'm assuming that it would have to be either a sound guy or another dj who recorded that set from ambar.[/QUOTE] Actually on both occasions Ambar actually broadcast the show so that means anyone could have recorded it. If I were an international DJ I don't think I would want to play there !!

Dusk. what you say makes a lot of sense. Hopefully more and more djs will see it that way, and it seems that they are, that Martin Gardcia set is a great example. Someone asked him nicely and he enabled downloading on soundcloud :D Unfortunately it will never be enough for some. Thank you Martin.:D If we say please and thank you , maybe we will get more :lol:

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[QUOTE=DIDI;869708]Athat Martin Gardcia set is a great example. Someone asked him nicely and he enabled downloading on soundcloud :D Unfortunately it will never be enough for some. Thank you Martin.:D If we say please and thank you , maybe we will get more :lol:[/QUOTE]

My sentiments exactly :D

Brilliant set that too....

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[QUOTE=chuckc;869435] i think all this would go away if these damn labels would take a small royalty and let these artist release live sets commercially. such a shame they even screw with digweed when he wanted to release the vagabond set and he had to chop it way down becuase of these companies....wtf. [/QUOTE]

Must have missed this earlier.. I second that... I would certainly put good money down for a brilliant live set.

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[QUOTE=chuckc;869435] i think all this would go away if these damn labels would take a small royalty and let these artist release live sets commercially. such a shame they even screw with digweed when he wanted to release the vagabond set and he had to chop it way down becuase of these companies....wtf. really that is the reason some of these people are illegaly recording the sets.

u got to take care of the fanz somehow. alot of us in parts of the world dont have opptunites to see the djs we love becuase the djs may not come to the area where we live. and i am but sorry most commericially released studio albums usually are average at best.

can u imagine an 8 hour live john digweed or hernan cattaneo box set 6cd package commercially released . would be a major market for that.[/QUOTE]

as far as live sets go, I'm not so sure it's the label as much as it is the aritsts themselves.. a live set might sound great live in a club on a massive system, but the recording doesn't always represent what you heard that night, and fair play, they don't want crap recordings going out or leaking.. of course also they don't want their gems cut out of a set and used by some bedroom dj

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^^^^ Very true.

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;869860]as far as live sets go, I'm not so sure it's the label as much as it is the aritsts themselves.. a live set might sound great live in a club on a massive system, but the recording doesn't always represent what you heard that night, and fair play, they don't want crap recordings going out or leaking.. of course also they don't want their gems cut out of a set and used by some bedroom dj[/QUOTE]

I think you're dead right there Steve.

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I also wonder how we should look at "live sets" compared to dj sets when it comes to sharing them. Does someone playing "instruments" have more right to their performance than someone playing records (recordings of other people playing instruments)

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If you regard a DJ as an artist, and I do, I think they should be treated the same.