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Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

40 durable postsStarted 2005-01-04Latest 2005-01-10
#8386Post 1 of 40

I know there has been some discussion about the new Firefox browser in the past, but I feel compelled to rain yet more praise upon it. If you haven't already got it, do so and force yourself to use it for a few days. Once you get used to Firefox, IE just seems barbaric by comparison.

I feel like a great weight has been lifted, like I was blind before but didn't know it. Fucking eureka.

:RightOn:

#331761Post 2 of 40

I use it just to stick it to microsoft, but it's really good too!

#331762Post 3 of 40

Too bad it slows down my web ... Good browser though

-Psynce-

#331763Post 4 of 40

Since I had install FireFox, I never used IE again :) This thing-y really :RockOn: and it's far better than IE.

CHEERS

#331765Post 5 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

I have it installed but never use it.

Why is it better than IE?

#331775Post 6 of 40

Firefox is definately a better alternative at the moment. :RockOn:

#331780Post 7 of 40

I used the full Mozilla client for a while, then switched to Firefox about a year or so ago. I love it. Best browser, period (though to be fair, I haven't used Apple's Safari yet.)

BTW, here's a little trick to speed it up a bit. Enjoy :)

[quote] basically after getting to the hidden config settings you set the browser to request more data that it usually does.

1.Type ?about:config? into the address bar and hit return. Scroll down and look for the following entries:

network.http.pipelining network.http.proxy.pipelining network.http.pipelining.maxrequests

Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.

  1. Alter the entries as follows:

Set ?network.http.pipelining? to ?true?

Set ?network.http.proxy.pipelining? to ?true?

Set ?network.http.pipelining.maxrequests? to some number like 30. This means it will make 30 requests at once.

  1. Lastly right-click anywhere and select New-> Integer. Name it ?nglayout.initialpaint.delay? and set its value to ?0?. This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives.

If you?re using a broadband connection you?ll load pages MUCH faster now! [/quote]

#331784Post 8 of 40

:NotMe:

#331786Post 9 of 40

I agree completely with the Firefox praise.

There's a couple of key things I like.

One is the tabbed browsing abilities - as someone who typically has a lot of browser windows open, it helps keep things grouped. (eg: I have one [ms] window but open new tabs for each of the threads I'm going to read.)

The second thing is the rendering speed of pages. I normally run my machine in 1280x1024, which is a lot of work for the average computer's graphics card. IE is certainly poor at rendering complex webpages when compared to Firefox. There's no competition in that arena.

Definitely give it a try I say... first decent IE alternative that I recall in recent years.

#331789Post 10 of 40

[quote=lopark]I used the full Mozilla client for a while, then switched to Firefox about a year or so ago. I love it. Best browser, period (though to be fair, I haven't used Apple's Safari yet.)

BTW, here's a little trick to speed it up a bit. Enjoy :)

[quote] basically after getting to the hidden config settings you set the browser to request more data that it usually does.

1.Type ?about:config? into the address bar and hit return. Scroll down and look for the following entries:

network.http.pipelining network.http.proxy.pipelining network.http.pipelining.maxrequests

Normally the browser will make one request to a web page at a time. When you enable pipelining it will make several at once, which really speeds up page loading.

  1. Alter the entries as follows:

Set ?network.http.pipelining? to ?true?

Set ?network.http.proxy.pipelining? to ?true?

Set ?network.http.pipelining.maxrequests? to some number like 30. This means it will make 30 requests at once.

  1. Lastly right-click anywhere and select New-> Integer. Name it ?nglayout.initialpaint.delay? and set its value to ?0?. This value is the amount of time the browser waits before it acts on information it receives.

If you?re using a broadband connection you?ll load pages MUCH faster now! [/quote][/quote]

Actually, don't do that. The pipelining is good, I'll give you that. However, maxrequests going up is bad bad bad. What that does is hammer servers badly with a ton of requests. I'm just going to paste this from another board I'm on, as I feel this explains the maxconnections problem fairly well:

EDIT: D'oh, I'm a moron. maxrequests, not maxrequests-per-server. Nevermind. Maxrequests going up is fine as long as per-server is left as is. I'm a dumbass, but I leave the information here for others who might not know.

[quote]Connection Tweaks The "other" type of optimization commonly seen instructs you to alter the "network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", "network.http.max-connections-per-server" and other related settings. These are EXTREMELY DAMAGING "optimizations" to apply and should be avoided at all costs. These settings violate the HTTP protocol, which recommends a limit of 2 connections per server. When you increase it beyond that, a lot of bad things begin to happen:

The web server is often the hardest hit. The Apache web server maintains a number of "slots" which are processes lying around to handle requests as they come in. Since they usually come in at a steady rate, the server can create and destroy extra processes as needed to handle the load. When you and your "optimized" settings hit the server however, almost all of the slots that are idle are suddenly taken up by your browser. This forces the server to suddenly create a bunch of new processes to handle other traffic which is a CPU-intensive task. When you are done hogging up the slots, the server suddenly finds itself with way more processes than are needed for normal traffic, so it will kill off the extra ones.

What's worse is that since most tweaks involve such a high number of connections, once one element has been transferred, the connection is never used again. This forces the web server to hold all the connections in "keepalive" state as under normal circumstances, more than one request is sent per connection. TCP never gets a chance to automatically find the best RWIN for greatest speeds, load on routers between you and the server is increased thanks to all the extra packets... the whole basis of the HTTP/1.1 specification was to get away from the "one connection per element" days of HTTP/1.0, by applying these tweaks you are simply going back to the 1.0 days.

It's also worth pointing out that there exists an Apache module and netfilter settings that could cause your additional connections to be blocked from the server, resulting in very slow page load times, broken images and possibly even a complete IP ban for this "flooding" behaviour. Please, stick with pipelining and do not touch these settings. There is a very good reason why they are not the default.

If you have read and understood this entry thoroughly, you will notice that enabling pipelining will give you HIGHER performance than increasing the maximum number of connections! This is because with pipelining, even though there are only 2 connections to the target web server, you are still sending all your requests at once. Since you are re-using the same connection, TCP has a chance to tune the Receive Window, keep-alive is made useful and everyone is happy.[/quote]

Intialpaint at 0 is good, as is turning on pipelining. However, turning up maxrequests(EDIT: My bad. maxrequests-per-server, not just maxrequests) is bad bad bad bad bad. It might be faster for you, but it puts other people's resources under severe strain. Don't do it.

Firefox is great, yes. The extensions make it just an incredible browser, and I only keep IE around for a small handful of sites which won't work without it(otherwise, IE would be blocked from ever running again on my machine).

#331795Post 11 of 40

i can't go online with my pack of extensions

i need adblock, mouse gestures and i'm used to tabbed browsing now.

FIREFOX :RockOn:

#331800Post 12 of 40

yeah. I adblock all those huge annoying signatures that people around here use, and adblock all the iFrames in shit like Hotmail, etc. Awesome.

#331829Post 13 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

I've gotten so used to using Opera and Firefox doesn't really do much for me. But i'm sure it is great at whatever it does :p

#331832Post 14 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

yeah pretty damn fast, good browsing, good plugings......cant complain......

just one thing were can i download korean lenguages like IE coz i regulary enter to korean pages but only said ?????????, so i have this friend who can translate it :D........and some scripts firefox cant run it well just IE.....

im a broodwar player so i reagulary download replays of professional games on this site

[url]http://act.it.sohu.com/war3/xingji.php[/url]

so when you put your mause on some name a javascrip apliccation pop up.....

someone know how to fix it?......i only see the page well with IE to be honest :S

#331837Post 15 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

[quote=Musical Journey]I have it installed but never use it.

Why is it better than IE?[/quote]

Tabbed browsing, for one -- much cleaner and feels faster b/c it doesn't have to create a new window. Also, pages in new tabs load in the background, which is nice.

The host of extensions make it highly customizable -- you can add on all sorts of little additions to add functionality, but you only need to add what you want, which I assume saves resources. For example, there is an extension that puts an alert on the status bar that lets me know when I have new email in my Gmail account.

It is also fully skinnable -- not really a functionality thing, but cool nevertheless.

Firefox also has lots of little bells and whistles that improve my efficiency. For example, when I arrive at work, I have like 5 pages that I religiously check as part of my morning ritual. Firefox lets you put them into a bookmark (read: favorites) folder and open them all with one click.

I could go on and on. I had it for awhile before I started using it regularly, too, but now that I am getting used to it, I can't think of any good reason to use IE ever again...

#331845Post 16 of 40

Points taken but i`m too lazy to remeber and fill in all the passwords i have for various sites so i use roboform. Does anyone know if this can be used in Firefox.

#331852Post 17 of 40

Firefox does have that same functionality built in

#331854Post 18 of 40

It does? Let me see.

#331862Post 19 of 40

Ok, im now using FF but my back page button on my mouse doesnt work. I haven`t read up on anything yet but will i be able to get it to work?

#331875Post 20 of 40

I don't know... but I CAN tell you how to save 15% or more on your car insurance

#331898Post 21 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

[quote]lets me know when I have new email in my Gmail account.[/quote]

where do i find that? i have one too, but i use gmail notifier :?

#331943Post 22 of 40

[quote=Musical Journey]Ok, im now using FF but my back page button on my mouse doesnt work. I haven`t read up on anything yet but will i be able to get it to work?[/quote]

i didn't have that problem, but i haven't used that button since i got ffox with mouse gestures.

let the right button pressed and move to the left.. and it goes back.. i'm so used to the gestures now. i got used to them using Opera, about a year ago.

Mouse gestures also lets you enlarge and reduce images when viewing a webpage (great for porn! hahaha)

#331958Post 23 of 40

active bookmarks in Firefox rule!

#331961Post 24 of 40

IE sucks...

Firefox is great...

#331993Post 25 of 40

i like the tabbed browsing and the webpage short cuts that puts them right across the tool bar :D

#332024Post 26 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

my university uses firefox in the computer labs, but i have ie at home. i'm used to dealing with both, but firefox definitely is more convenient

#332025Post 27 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

buy a mac and forget about it

#332028Post 28 of 40

amen my brother. :Choir:

-ddr

#332029Post 29 of 40

err mac sucks. my bad. :I surren:

-ddr

#332045Post 30 of 40

[quote=arielus]let the right button pressed and move to the left.. and it goes back.. i'm so used to the gestures now. i got used to them using Opera, about a year ago.

Mouse gestures also lets you enlarge and reduce images when viewing a webpage (great for porn! hahaha)[/quote]

Ahhh, i see, i got it working now I`m getting used to this shit already. The tab feature is great.

#332154Post 31 of 40

if you a scroll mouse, click the scroll button on a link to open it in a new tab, and click a tab with the scroll button to close it. make navigation 100x easier (dare I say, fun?)

#332182Post 32 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

[quote=Digger][quote]lets me know when I have new email in my Gmail account.[/quote]

where do i find that? i have one too, but i use gmail notifier :?[/quote]

It is called Gmail Notifier -- is this not the same thing you use? [url]https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&id=173[/url]

#336927Post 33 of 40

not really, this is better not background proggy runing and no icon on de right bottom :).......also this proggy check every 10 minutes thanks mate......

by the way .rep extension how do i save them like every other file, coz the page i download that extesion its php so firt send the link the send me the rep file sort of, but the extension open in firefox....but i have that extenion(on windows) with other program, can i solve this adding the extions to firefoxx?

#336931Post 34 of 40

Hey, how do I delete a new entry I made by mistake?

Hope it won't fuck things up...accidentally entrered a new boolean with the name mentioned for the new number entry in the first post...

:BangHead:

Fuck, it's already 10x as fastnow, but I don't want those false entries fucking up my browser, otherwise I'll have to reinstall the shit and lose all my bookmarks.

#337101Post 35 of 40

I use IE for Windows Update only, but after reading this, even that makes me a bit nervous.

Microsoft Internet Explorer Multiple Vulnerabilities [url]http://secunia.com/advisories/12889/[/url]

Extremely High-Level IE6 Vulnerability Found. This can [b]delete files from your hard drive.[/b] [url]http://www.jmcardle.com/?postid=77[/url]

#337103Post 36 of 40

[quote=Yao]Hey, how do I delete a new entry I made by mistake?

Hope it won't fuck things up...accidentally entrered a new boolean with the name mentioned for the new number entry in the first post...

:BangHead:

Fuck, it's already 10x as fastnow, but I don't want those false entries fucking up my browser, otherwise I'll have to reinstall the shit and lose all my bookmarks.[/quote]

I sent your a PM about this.

[i] I've never tried removing an entry, but I think I know how. Here's what to do.

Open "My Computer" and your C Drive (or whatever your primary hard drive is), then open the folder "Documents and Settings", then open the folder with your username.

There is a hidden folder within called "Application Data." If you can't see it, click on Tools on the menu bar, and select "Folder Options." Click the "View" tab and select the option that says "Show hidden files and folders." Then, click OK. You should see the "Application Data" folder now. Open it.

Now, open the folder "Mozilla", the the folder "Firefox", then open the folder, "Profiles" and you should see a folder with a unique name like "5331tvxp.default" (yours will be named differently.) Open this folder and you should see a file named "prefs.js". Open it with notepad (right-click and select edit.) This should contain all the entries in "about:config."

You should be able to delete the false entry from here, but do not edit the file while Firefox is running and MAKE A BACKUP OF THE FILE BEFORE EDITING. Once you finish editing the file, save and close it, then restart Firefox.

Hope that helps. [/i]

#337131Post 37 of 40

ok, you fuckers have me too interested to not try this... review to follow

#337133Post 38 of 40

It's fast as hell now...

#337296Post 39 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

Firefox Is the new black

#337300Post 40 of 40

Re: Microsoft Can Kiss My Ass

[quote]Solution: Use another product.[/quote]

[quote]The solution? Switch browsers; stop using Internet Explorer.[/quote]

haha nice solutions..........i better sitck with firefox........i need only IE to download my ,.rep files for starcraft:broodwar 8)

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