I?m going to buy a pair of turntables. I haven?t decided yet if thay will be the new Technics sldz1200 or the pioneer djm1200mk2. I?ve been reading all around the internet forums and they both have their + and -. The big - for the pios seem to be that they don?t have any effects at all, so then I should buy some mixer with effects. If anoyne could give me some opinion about which mixer to buy, i would be grateful. I?m counting on spending around 800 dollars, not much more than that. thanks!

i assume your talking about the Pioneer cdj1000mk2s?

$800 is your budget for the two cd players and mixer????? you can only get one used cdj at that budget.

[quote=ichrang]i assume your talking about the Pioneer cdj1000mk2s?

$800 is your budget for the two cd players and mixer????? you can only get one used cdj at that budget.[/quote]

No, around $800 for the mixer only. But I don?t know much about which of them is best at that budget.

as far as the cdj 1000 mk2. musicians friend has them for $999.00, plus you get a $150.00 rebate. [url]www.musiciansfriend.com[/url] The Technics digital turntable feels cheap and flimsy, and in my opinion is over priced. Look at what everyone else is using. :)

as far as mixers.. Vestax are very nice. unless you are looking for a mixer with effects too. Then you are going to be paying a bit more.

either a DJM600 (if you want effects) or A&H xone 32 (if you want filters)

both built very well and good sound quality. some argue DJM isn't as good on sound qualioty but for home use its fine IMO.

i use the djm 600. its great, except its old. when that thing retires, i plan on getting another one.

the djm 600 itself is around $800.

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:?: :?: :?: I think I?ve made up my mind for the CDJ1000mk2, it?s a pitty they aren?t as good looking as the Techs, but that?s not what matters the most! As for the mixers, the DJM600 is a but expensive. I?ve seen it arond $1100. I?d prefer if it has some effects, as the pios turntables hasn?t got any. I?ve seen the DJM500, but it lacks some features the DJM600 do have. I?ve never djed before, but i?m one of those people addicted to music. I just can?t get on with my life if I don?t have fresh music every week. Now I have the money to buy my turntables, and I want to start with the best equipment I can get. I?m still looking for the correct mixer, but as i?m still learning about what the features do, then it?s a bit difficult to decide. My budget is around $800. :roll:
Thanks a lot :!: :!: :!:

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By the way, thanks xeb for the info. I?ll look out for the A&X xone 32. I think I prefer filters other than effects... Is it important if the mixer has an optical output?

ebay is your friend.

ebay is not your friend, unless you know what you are doing.

you may get the biggest trashed P.O.S. ever. Please be careful and gather the most information while shopping @ ebay. I have had a few friends burned lately due to some really crappy fucks. It is the holiday season and they know people are looking to get a steal of a deal.

get an allen & heath xzone...wayyy better than the djm 600 imho. you get what you pay for though, try and buy a good quality used one on ebay (as asfd said though, be careful).

well, duh, don't be a fucking moron with Ebay. But i've had zero problems with ebay, you just have to know what you're doing.

as for the allen and heath vs pioneer agrument...

i own the pioneer, and where i spin every week has an Allen and Heath.

For the type of music i spin, glitchy bouncy techno and tech house, i'd take the 600 any day over the AH.

I really don't give a piss about the filters on the AH, and i much prefer the sliders on the pioneer to the finger thingers on the AH.

4 band eq is nice, although the low end eq takes away a hell of a lot of the mids on the AH. Just have to get used to it.

I like playing on both, but wouldn't buy an AH for home use. Way overkill. The sound difference won't be heard on your crappy home system. The AH is made for the club, to be pushed on a serious system.

just my 02

^^^ i know Jenks. I was not attacking you. I was just stating that it would be terrible if someone dropped some bucks and got a box with a cd player in it. There have been some hacks lately on there, so it was just more of a word of caution.

i know man, i thought it was pretty much common knowledge not to be a doorknob with ebay.

but if you end up with a tonka truck, and oddly the auction you won was for a DJM600...please remove yourself from soceity, you = doorknob.

ive been using the djm 600 for 4+ years and really have no complaints. well, actually i do. my channel 3 is just about to die. the low end crackles when i adjust it. the channel fader needs to be replaced but thats rather easy to do yourself. just havent gotten around to it. you can find the djm 600's for less than $800 these days. with A&H taking over the pioneers are getting cheaper. Plus, for home recording, you dont need anything more than the 600. while the A&H mixers are just about the best on the market at the moment, its a bit hard justifying paying $300 or $400 more for their mixers. its all a matter of personal opinion.

^agree on the AH comment.

Hey, where do you buy replacement parts for your 600?

never have before, but i'd think you could call pioneer and order them.

djm 600 = the only mixer i have truly loved. for some reason pioneer get some sweet sound out of that mixer. most of my home audio is pioneer, they just do a solid job, day in and day out.

love,

doorknob.

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[url]http://www.topdjgear.com/alandhexoprc.html[/url] :wink:

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[quote=Saga]. I?ve seen the DJM500, but it lacks some features the DJM600 do have. [/quote]

don't get a DJM500 if you want to use the effects. no bpm sync and no adjustment means they are pretty piss poor.

[quote]By the way, thanks xeb for the info. I?ll look out for the A&X xone 32. I think I prefer filters other than effects... Is it important if the mixer has an optical output?[/quote]

can't see any good reason to have an optical output unless you plan on doing a lot of recording to minidisc.

if you like filters then A&H is much better bet than the DJM - filter effect ont he DJM is a straight filter sweep... nice for doing a big drop in the club, but usless if you want to use the filter more like an EQ to subtly cut parts of a track and mix them togeather

that said, i got an Alesis MODFX philtre for ?30 which does exactly the same through the send and return on my DJM and cost a lot less.

one other option worth considering is an [url=http://www.futureproducers.com/article.php/id/40?PHPSESSID=0460d8bdcf0370c7d96cb8c1a5e61914][u][b][i]Ecler Nuo-5[/i][/b][/u][/url] fairly new player on the market but heard good things. not sure what they go for in $$

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Well I gess it will depend upon if it will be the xone:32 or the xone 62... I?ll consider every suggestion, with your opinions and some research I made around internet I think I have a good Idea about both brand mixers, A&H and pioneer. Although here in Argentina it?s difficult to find one used, and in that case, one which has not been fucked up and repaired :evil: I?ll look around and see which one suits better for me in terms of money, quality and functions. Many thanks!

[quote=Garrick]i use the djm 600. its great, except its old. when that thing retires, i plan on getting another one.

the djm 600 itself is around $800.[/quote]

I agree with Garrick on this one. The 600 is about the best mixer under $1000. Unless you can find a Rane rotary or a good A&H that is used. Plus if you have one...a 600 that is. You'll already know most of the mixers that are used at raves and house parties. It's when you get into the bigger clubs that you would want to know how a rane rotary works. Which they are awesome. Wish I could afford one.

Try this place: [url=http://djdeals.com/index.htm]CLICK[/url]

I got a Xone:62 for about $800 on Ebay. Hardly used. Had it for almost a year, and it's great.

I had the DJM600 before that, and the main reason I upgraded was souns quality and isolation.

On the 600 (at least every one I've used, there's a bit of bleeding between channels. If you're playing really minimal stuff, that ain't gonna cut it.

Another reason I wanted to switch was to get rid of the BPM counter. That's a crutch you really don't want to have as a DJ. I'm at the point now where I wouldn't mind having a BPM counter. I wouldn't even notice. But when I was starting out with the 600, I couldn't help but refer to it. And in the end, it's so unreliable it fails you when you need it most.

If price doesn't matter, or if you can find a good price on a used one, go for A&H.

[quote=timkell]Another reason I wanted to switch was to get rid of the BPM counter. That's a crutch you really don't want to have as a DJ. I'm at the point now where I wouldn't mind having a BPM counter. I wouldn't even notice. But when I was starting out with the 600, I couldn't help but refer to it. And in the end, it's so unreliable it fails you when you need it most.[/quote]

wtf?? how hard is it to not look at the bpm counter?? or if it causes you that many problems leave the channel selector on master or the effect to send/return where the bpm doesn't show?

:roll:

Or you could just take your record cleaner, the wiper part that is. And put it over the counter like myself and my buddie do. It helps to break that crutch. I too felt that I was relying on it too much so I began doing that and have felt more comfortable about my playing since.

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What about the filters in the pioneer 600. I read that they nearly cut off the signal for the wave length. Is that true?

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filters cut frequencies

high pass filter cuts the bass and lets the high freqs through low pass visa versa

similar to EQ but eq just attenuates (lowers the volume) of the frequencies.... ie a bass eq will attanuate the bass freqs wheras a high pass filter will completly chop off all freqs below its cut point

on an A&H you have these filters. you can change between high/low/band pass and adjust the freq cut-off point and the resonance (amount of boost around the cut-off... gives a spacy effect). the filter is static, in that it will sit at the frequency point you've put it and do its thing. this makes it great as a mix tool... ie, using instead of an eq to get a better cut of undesirable frequencies.

the pioneer has a filter EFFECT. it doesn't work like the static filter on the A&H, instead doing a filter sweep. you set the sweep length and the amount of rasonance, and then it does a low pass filter sweep, starting with a high cut-off (ie, letting everything through) and then in the time you've set lowering the cutoff down (progressivly cutting more and more of the highs) and then back up. this is an ok effect but doesn't really let you manipulate the sound like you can with an A&H

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[quote=xeb]filters cut frequencies

high pass filter cuts the bass and lets the high freqs through low pass visa versa

similar to EQ but eq just attenuates (lowers the volume) of the frequencies.... ie a bass eq will attanuate the bass freqs wheras a high pass filter will completly chop off all freqs below its cut point

on an A&H you have these filters. you can change between high/low/band pass and adjust the freq cut-off point and the resonance (amount of boost around the cut-off... gives a spacy effect). the filter is static, in that it will sit at the frequency point you've put it and do its thing. this makes it great as a mix tool... ie, using instead of an eq to get a better cut of undesirable frequencies.

the pioneer has a filter EFFECT. it doesn't work like the static filter on the A&H, instead doing a filter sweep. you set the sweep length and the amount of rasonance, and then it does a low pass filter sweep, starting with a high cut-off (ie, letting everything through) and then in the time you've set lowering the cutoff down (progressivly cutting more and more of the highs) and then back up. this is an ok effect but doesn't really let you manipulate the sound like you can with an A&H[/quote]

OK, thanks Xeb for the info...really useful. :wink: Now what about the auto loop and sample functions present in the DJM600? That?s a feature I think the A&H doesn?t have, am I correct? I?d like to play off with the samples, then how useful can that be?

dont' use the sampler at all as i have a cycloops. its not the best from the few times i have played with it. accuracy of the bpm engine is not great and seems to require a lot of fucking about.

basically, DJM600 has more in terms of different effects but A&H has the filters which are (IMO of course) a much better mixing tool. that said, i got a alesis phitre for ?30 of ebay which does the same thing the A&H filters do and runs off the send and return on the DJM :Naughty:

I just remembered that about a couple times a year we all have almost this very same conversation. I see it always on other boards. Someone is always wanting to know which is better and which is cheaper. It just goes round and round and round and round.......

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If I were you, I would look at a decent mixer, 2 or 3 channel somewhere around $400. I personally have a red sound Infader which is sweet...

then I would purchase a EFX-500, (about $400) that way you can have a shit load of effects and a decent mixer. and not putting all of your eggs in one basket.. sort of speak.

good luck man

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[quote=In-SighT]If I were you, I would look at a decent mixer, 2 or 3 channel somewhere around $400. I personally have a red sound Infader which is sweet...

then I would purchase a EFX-500, (about $400) that way you can have a shit load of effects and a decent mixer. and not putting all of your eggs in one basket.. sort of speak.

good luck man[/quote]

that?s a good choice... thanks!