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THAT'S WHY.

Fuck you.

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O.o ... gee...

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i haven't used beatport in a while, but does that say "restricted" on the right? Are they trying to build up hype or something?

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nope, it's territorial restrictions, somehow always to the disadvantage of us stupid Europeans. It irritates me, it's like holding the sausage before the dogs mouth with a rod and making him chase it without result.

I do not want to see what I cannot get my hands on.

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yeah I completely agree with you...its like that for everything not just beatport.

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[QUOTE=Yao;759471]nope, it's territorial restrictions, somehow always to the disadvantage of us stupid Europeans. It irritates me, it's like holding the sausage before the dogs mouth with a rod and making him chase it without result.

I do not want to see what I cannot get my hands on.[/QUOTE]

there are plenty of tracks that are territory restricted for canada as well...

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You're right I guess, but it's just so incredibly annoying.

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Totally agree with you Yao ... There are so many tracks that I still have not managed to get my hands on due to the restriction bollocks thing

I am not sure what happens with the other digital downloads sites, but I have also seen territory restricted releases on Amazon :evil:

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What does territorial restriction mean?

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It means the song isn't able to be sold in certain countries, probably due to licencing restrictions with the label it's on.

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[QUOTE=cohiba;759616]It means the song isn't able to be sold in certain countries, probably due to licencing restrictions with the label it's on.[/QUOTE]

I think most of us are aware of that, nevertheless it freaks me out hearing a great track that has not been released for my geographic area -it depends on to which label it is licenced and sometimes you'll see it multiple times in the index, one restriced and another release that I [I]can[/I] get my hands on. All too often still, no alternative licencing basically keeping that music away from me unless I resort to alterative options.

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I was answering feathers' question in the post above mine.

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Thanks mate ... not familiar with this, I've not encountered it in Singapore or Australia.

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Really? Do a search for sasha on beatport. For me (sydney) all the tracks that are on the label Ultra are listed as restricted, (but are also available on emfire).

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That choicetrax link I put up a little while ago would be the fastest way of finding where the tracks are available.

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beatport is so outdated when it comes to the licensing issues... i mean... territory restrictions? this is the internet, you must be kidding me! snap out of the past...

but instead of having some balls and standing up against their labels they just give in and propagate old cashing models.

i never understood why everyone was flocking to beatport in the first place. there's plenty of other advanced download sites out there... by sucking the music industries balls beatport got all the labels, and today they get all the users, undeserved.

but oh well... yao is so right on this. they don't want our money, why insist on giving it to them? ;)

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^^^ Because we want to support the artists ???

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i suppose you'd better give the money directly to the artist then. he'll be only receiving a fraction of what you pay to the music industry anyway.

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I would love to. !! But seeing I can't why don't we ask the artists if they would prefer we steal their music. :lol: Lots of fractions can add up to a sizeable amount. :D Well i can actually by going to their gigs but then I am giving money to some promoter as well !! :lol:

I fully understand Yao's frustration and also understand if people can't buy a track that they will download it illegally. What I do object to is the people who use some unavailability as an excuse to download everything illegally .

Btw just for record I hate the way the commercial music industry works and definitely think the artists are ripped off. But that shouldn't be a reason for us to rip them off any further.

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what i'm saying is: if the music industry can take a big share of the money that people pay for music, i can also expect them to put that money to work. i don't see that happening.

music is about art, so basically the term "music industry" is a contradiction in itself... personally, i'd say it's about time to break down that whole idea. but that's just me ;)

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Agreed Yao - i'm in the UK and suffer from the same trouble. Seems to be happening more and more as well.

Like you say, usually by the time you realise the track is restricted, you've decided you like it enough to buy it which is always a pisser.. Agreed that if it's not available it shouldn't be shown to you - at the very least these tracks should come up in a different colour or something like that so you know. I know it says "restricted" in the column but that doesn't stand out when you're browsing :evil:

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Glad to see it's not just me going bonkers behind my screen when that happens a few times in a row ;).

I don't download for the sake of downloading, and am all about supporting artists. These territorial restrictions are one of a few possible reasons, though I just realized from someone else's post that I could try and look elsewhere. But in that case the whole principle of easy acquisition is out the door.

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You aren't allowed to buy an artists track, so you steal it instead? :BSPost:

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[QUOTE=dj_macgyver;759921]what i'm saying is: if the music industry can take a big share of the money that people pay for music, i can also expect them to put that money to work. i don't see that happening.

music is about art, so basically the term "music industry" is a contradiction in itself... personally, i'd say it's about time to break down that whole idea. but that's just me ;)[/QUOTE] Certainly agree with most of that. Note I put commercial in front of music industry :) Would be good to break that down but I certainly don't want the artists to suffer in the process. :)

Btw I used choicetrax to hunt for two tracks tonight for someone else and ended up buying both for myself. The joke was it was so much easier going through them than going through Beatport even though both were on Beatport. :D

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What is the purpose of restricting tracks to territories? Surely the more people that can buy the track = more $ for everyone involved?

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^^Good question !

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[QUOTE=Jenks;759950]You aren't allowed to buy an artists track, so you steal it instead? :BSPost:[/QUOTE]

Yes, if that is what it takes for the music industry to modernize itself.

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[quote=poults;759955]What is the purpose of restricting tracks to territories? Surely the more people that can buy the track = more $ for everyone involved?[/quote]

it's the old school licensing model that allows label A to get all the cash from e.g. europe, whereas label B gets the money from e.g. US. and therein also lies the big problem: what if label A refuses to release a track to europe? then there's [b]no legal way[/b] for users in europe to listen to that track.

so personally, i don't consider it stealing. stealing is taking something without paying. in this exact case i would pay, if not some fucked up licensing model prevented me from doing so.

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i think its also because of exclusivity issues. they release a track in Europe for instance and its restricted to djs in US so that Europeans (in that example) can get their hands on that track earlier and retain exclusivity on their sets. of course this can happen the other way round too..

it pisses me off aswell but buying your music from other sites and not only beatport is one solution. i remember a similar thread a while back and someone said it all has to do with your IP address. the site you buying your music, recognize your IP and tells which part of the world you live. then it decides if a track is territory restricted for you or not... so if you can shange your ip address or maybe give false delivery address you may confuse the siteand it wont give you the track as t.r

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how about just buy something else? there are hundreds of thousands of records out there, if you HAVE to have those few tracks to make your set, then you're not a very good or creative dj.

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That would be succumbing to the industry that is unable to keep in pace with the new possibilities the internet has disclosed. Dear Jenks,it is exactly these kind of things that motivate the music industry to adapt to the new set of circumstances -if corporations were the ones to dictate the tempo of advancement we'd be in deep shit, don't you agree? It has always been the demand that has driven the development in an economy, not the other way around (except for those markets where a demand is created, but that is not the case here).

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so whose still up on slsk?

i'm on there Dhar_2 strangley enough

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haven't used Soulseek in ages :lol: found alternatives.

I do agree though: while it's not a MUST HAVE track, to hear something, then absolutely WANT to BUY it legitimately and can't...that's just curtailing some of your clientèle.

Diff. countries though do have diff. rules...so where there's a will there's a way...

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[quote=Jenks;759972]how about just buy something else? there are hundreds of thousands of records out there, if you HAVE to have those few tracks to make your set, then you're not a very good or creative dj.[/quote]

That's a pretty weird argument.

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^^^Hey, I got some unsigned neg rep too!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Mine's a lot worse than yours :lol:[IMG]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8518/picture1sjc.png[/IMG]

And from a thread where I didn't mention Hernan ?????

Btw I sort of understand why they didn't sign :lol:

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^ :roflmao:

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[quote=Jenks;759972]how about just buy something else? there are hundreds of thousands of records out there, if you HAVE to have those few tracks to make your set, then you're not a very good or creative dj.[/quote]

Ahem... I'm not sure you know how frustrating it is to hear an killer tune, after searching high and low, only to have Beatport bleep "Territory Restricted." Damn annoying :twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

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what did you guys do when you played vinyl and stores were sold out? or you couldn't get the white of that one toon?

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i think it's funny that most of those producers and labels there are all from europe. but that is still pretty messed up.

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[quote=DIDI;762090]^^^Hey, I got some unsigned neg rep too!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Mine's a lot worse than yours :lol:[IMG]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8518/picture1sjc.png[/IMG]

And from a thread where I didn't mention Hernan ?????

Btw I sort of understand why they didn't sign :lol:[/quote]

That's pretty random :lol: