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[quote=Shpira;736905]Its like a textbook case of self labeling. Think what you will but I don't judge dj skills on the base of sex and I don't think that should ever come into equation. So those half naked women dj-ing are equal in my eyes to those who define themselves as women before defining themselves as dj's. I don't see the need for that particular categorisation at all. I wasn't aware of ANY sexual discrimination in the dj world...do you get less bookings because you're a girl? I would have thought not.

Anyway its just my personal opinion on the matter. I dislike pretty much all societal classifications and divissions. This is just another one on the list.[/quote]

Are you not a bit too young to be so serious dude?

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i am a he!

thanks for the confusion! :roll:

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^Really sorry dude!

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your my bitch now! :lol:

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[quote=nick007;736946]Are you not a bit too young to be so serious dude?[/quote]

I am not soooo serious...but if we are talking about something serious like gender equality then I am...I would say I am well balanced...have my funny responses and my serious ones. Depending on the topic in question.

p.s. I had no childhood so I was forced to grow up quickly... lol

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^^ All good my friend - I was a policeman working in South African townships at the age of 18 ;)

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[quote=Dhar_2;736991]your my bitch now! :lol:[/quote]

Oh so now I'm the woman :(;)

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[quote=Shpira;736905]Its like a textbook case of self labeling. Think what you will but I don't judge dj skills on the base of sex and I don't think that should ever come into equation. So those half naked women dj-ing are equal in my eyes to those who define themselves as women before defining themselves as dj's. I don't see the need for that particular categorisation at all. I wasn't aware of ANY sexual discrimination in the dj world...do you get less bookings because you're a girl? I would have thought not.

Anyway its just my personal opinion on the matter. I dislike pretty much all societal classifications and divissions. This is just another one on the list.[/quote]

hi

i actually agree with your other comment, about girls putting themselves into their own box with the femme djs, djane stuff.. but to say we aren't categorized because of our sex is a bit silly. we are defo looked at more than male djs in a sense of marketing. i can see the point though and i don't have a problem if girls or managements need to use thier sexuality to market themselves. maybe thats all they got, or maybe thats a quick and sure fire way to get attention in this sex crazed world. we all have our own paths on where we go and we all make it how we want. i would think every girl has control over her own carreer and how people view her publically, as does each male.

imo, there are good or bad djs, good or bad producers, good or bad cooks, good or bad teachers, good or bad politicians, good or bad people.. sex really shouldn't matter, but it does in this world until we all decide to be different.

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[quote=dusk;736663]Dude.. that's rather harsh... just because a dj is part of a group that clearly defines their sexuality does not mean they have to be objectified!

Women have always had to work twice as hard in the work place to be taken seriously.[/quote] I agree. Plenty of talented, hard-working women out there on the dj circuit who should get their respect.

But here's the irony:

Look through some of those pictures on those myspace pages of some DJs who poster up their seductive poses in lingerie, in bikinis, or topless...

then ask yourself: "[I]who is really objectifying whom[/I] [I]here?[/I]"

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^^ yeah thats kinda of what I mean. Women are at least partialy creating the whole distinction themselves. Its a much deeper issue than dj-ing though.

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It's definitely deeper. We all say we don't want to be "objectified", yet then we work very hard to look attractive when going out to the club on Friday night. The truth is, most of us crave some form of objectification in our lives.

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Fact: Most female djs that are out there and have a name , are more than fairly attractive.

Magda , Ellen Allien , Dinky, Miss nine, Anja schneider , Sarah Main , etc.

For a female dj IMO it helps a lot in the beginning of their career being attractive , you are probably going to be more prone on meeting people and having a huge network of friends , and conections of course is way more important than talent in the beginning , this would be a perfect example of that old saying "is who you know" .

Then after that of course you need to have talent. But being attractive kinda of narrows it down in the dj femme world.

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hotties spin hot choonjs

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[quote=Dhar_2;735411][IMG]http://www.celebmagazin.hu/files/images/niki_belucci.jpg[/IMG]

have no idea how she plays! but she gets my vote! ;)[/quote]

This kind of picture makes me doubt on her Dj´ing skills.. Maybe I´m wrong but don´t see why she must looks like a porn star Dj... I never see a male Dj showing his abs or something like that as a promotion...

BTW, what a beautifull girl she is... :D

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[quote=Haziel;737173]For a female dj IMO it helps a lot in the beginning of their career being attractive , you are probably going to be more prone on meeting people and having a huge network of friends , and conections of course is way more important than talent in the beginning , this would be a perfect example of that old saying "is who you know" .[/quote] This is true not just for DJing, but for anything in life. Being attractive always gets you places.

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[quote=nick007;737069]Oh so now I'm the woman :(;)[/quote]

haha, your the inside spoon!:p

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Whenever there is a discussion about female Djs it ALWAYs ends up as a discussion about their looks.!

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Well said Chloe and yes pillow humping does rule.;) Juan that's Nikki Belucci and she's a former porn star who now markets herself as a topless DJ. plays some crappy cheezy house with no substance imo.

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[quote=DIDI;737295]Whenever there is a discussion about female Djs it ALWAYs ends up as a discussion about their looks.![/quote]

No it isn't Dhar and I completely lost the plot;)

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[quote=DIDI;737295]Whenever there is a discussion about female Djs it ALWAYs ends up as a discussion about their looks.![/quote] again... what do you expect people to talk about when quite a number of them seem to market themselves with very explicit, sexy photos of themselves (see in thread above)? IMO, those women can't have it both ways; they can't portray themselves to the public in that way and then also be offended when guys objectify them and oggle their goods.

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I would say the majority of female Djs don't market themselves this way. I would say there are in fact very few,but they certainly monopolise the discussions ! Every single discussion everywhere does turn into a discussion about their looks. Perhaps you have it the wrong a way around, some women have decided to capitalize on this fact . Usually the women that do this aren't trying to have it both ways, they are happy to use their looks. The women who DON'T do it shouldn't be branded by those who do. Just once it would be so nice to see a discussion about a female Dj that didn't get degenerate into anything more than her musical abilities :(

Unfortunately there are female Djs who participate in these discussions the same way. :(

Which is why i see femmes on decks more as a support group.

So we choose to see the photo above as an example of female Dj marketing????? I see it as a example of one persons marketing.

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i think a lot of it comes down to their looks BECAUSE women are women, they like to dress nice when they go out. Most guys just throw on a t-shirt and jeans, whereas women are more inclined to pick out a nice blouse or something else to make themselves look good.

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^^ Good thinking !!

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All this talks about their looks is peripheral and has little to do with their DJing. Men talk about women's looks all the time, women talk about women's look, and here we talk about Digweed's hair.

If you show me a female DJ, my first reaction is to consider how she looks, cos I'm a guy. Hell point me at any female and my first consideration is how she looks. And it has nothing to do with finding out more about the female as a DJ or the female as a person, it's a completely superficial thing that happens in passing.

But how she looks has nothing to do with how she DJs or how psycho she is. Not one 'good looking' DJ has ever convinced me to check out a mix of theirs, I won't even bother unless someone else in the forum has heard the mix and recommends it.

Given any form of fanaticism in music be it prog or tech or trance, I don't think fans will give a good looking DJ the time of the day if the music is shit.

So yeah, given that all we have are pics to look at, of course we naturally gravitate towards checking them out.

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That's all fine, but good female Djs still tend to be judged on their looks .

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I agree with many posts concerning female dj's using their phusical for their musical, and I am one of those who agree with that; I would never get a half-naked female dj on the decks whose career began on being naked in the first place.

But I am a female dj, and I feel like responding, especially that lately I have published rather "sansual pix".

This is for the guys: a woman is a woman, and you never fully understand how she views things, acts with her environment, or reach her goals in the way she sees it fit.

You guys have your ways in dealing with things, we women have ours!

Now personally, I believe a female dj is totally out of order to use her body for her musical purposes. There is a lack of respect for the music she is playing and the audience she is plauing for. In the overground circle where champagne rules, a so-so playboy dj may do the job. But bring her the deep underground circle, ans oh boy I promise out she wont last than 2 mixes and be thrown out of the booth ...and fast!

I had to deal with the hard core of underground audience, the nastiest I would say, coz I am an "afterhours" dj. If you notice my pix, I am alwyas fully covered in black clothing, little make-up and armed with mixes that made hundreds go out of their minds. Just for the record, I am a musician very long before being a model and a dj, so when I deal with music, I deal ONLY with music coz I repect it the way it should be.

"Female are not taken seriously"

Well that's also wong imo, some female djs have played in front on audiences that most male djs would dream of; Let's talk numbers: How many of you male djs on this borad played for 23.000+ audience? I bet none. And yes a female djane did it! (and they are on this board) I am sure some ofher female djs played for even higher number. All this to say that I am tired of listening to people considering female djs as "second class" djs. Maybe most of them are like that, but watch out of those who are not coz they can kick many male bedroom djs, occasional djs, bar djs, and even some international dj/producer's butt with dropping a sweat!

But in my case, I am also a model, and as all models, i express myself with my body; I consider I have raech the level of dj I aimed for, for now. And I am reaching my 40s and pregnant. So in my woman my of my age, I thought of publishing discreet sensual pix while making sure they dont interfere with my mysical career" wont wont see any of my sensual pix with headphones on or next to decks.....no! I do sensual pix at this moment of time coz I feel like doing it, as a mature woman. Some boys on yhis forum might not under this kinda move, coz they are still boys. every thought to its age. Buty I am sure some more mature men will understand and Ippreciate my move...

And for the records: [quote=feather;737598]If you show me a female DJ, my first reaction is to consider how she looks, cos I'm a guy. Hell point me at any female and my first consideration is how she looks. And it has nothing to do with finding out more about the female as a DJ or the female as a person, it's a completely superficial thing that happens in passing.[/quote]

Dude, you have a model playing music that will split your brain in 2 during the afterhours, and she is not far from you. Maybe you should look better and drop that weak macho comment of yours. Are you a dj in the first place to talk like that? Is yes I would like to hear that coz till now you seem to be nodoby in the djing circle....so if i were you i'ld zip it on the female djs!

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I agree with many posts concerning female dj's using their physical for their musical'; I would never get a half-naked female dj on the decks whose career began on being naked in the first place.

But I am a female dj, and I feel like responding, especially that lately I have published rather "sensual pix".

This is for the guys: a woman is a woman, and you never fully understand how she views things, acts with her environment, or reach her goals in the way she sees it fit.

You guys have your ways in dealing with things, we women have ours!

Now personally, I believe a female dj is totally out of order to use her body for her musical purposes. There is a lack of respect for the music she is playing and the audience she is playing for. In the overground circle where champagne rules, a so-so playboy dj may do the job. But bring her the deep underground circle, oh boy I promise she wont last more than 2 mixes and be thrown out of the booth ...and fast!

I had to deal with the hard core of underground audience, the nastiest I would say, coz I am an "afterhours" dj. If you notice my pix, I am always fully covered in black clothing, little make-up and armed with mixes that made hundreds go out of their minds. Just for the record, I am a musician very long before being a model and a dj, so when I deal with music, I deal ONLY with music coz I respect it the way it should be.

"Females are not taken seriously"

Well that's also wrong imo, some female djs have played in front on audiences that most male djs would dream of; Let's talk numbers: How many of you male djs on this board played for 23.000+ audience? I bet none. And yes a female djane did it! (and they are on this board) I am sure some other female djs played for even higher number. All this to say that I am tired of listening to people considering female djs as "second class" djs. Maybe most of them are like that, but watch out of those who are not coz they can kick many male bedroom djs, occasional djs, bar djs, and even some international dj/producer's butt without dropping a sweat!

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[quote=Shiva;737629]

Dude, you have a model playing music that will split your brain in 2 during the afterhours, and she is not far from you. Maybe you should look better and drop that weak macho comment of yours. Are you a dj in the first place to talk like that? Is yes I would like to hear that coz till now you seem to be nodoby in the djing circle....so if i were you i'ld zip it on the female djs![/quote]

What the fuck are you going on about?

All I said was, it is a natural guy tendency to check out any women and talk about her looks, irrespective of her vocation.

Somewhere in this thread it was mentioned that female DJs are 'judged' differently or get different reactions because of their looks.

And my point was, this is just us talking about looks, we're not talking about their music, since most of us haven't heard the stuff these femme on decks play.

I did have the misfortune of catching a model DJ at supperclub recently and she was shit. Didn't stop me from checking her out though, but so what?

I trust not one of us on this board will actually talk up a DJ based on her looks instead of her music.

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[QUOTE=Shiva;737629]I Well that's also wong imo, some female djs have played in front on audiences that most male djs would dream of; Let's talk numbers: How many of you male djs on this borad played for 23.000+ audience? I bet none. And yes a female djane did it! (and they are on this board) I am sure some ofher female djs played for even higher number.![/QUOTE]

This is probably going a little off the main subject, but measuring the success of a dj based on how many people the dj has played in front of, is blatantly absurd. :roll:

I just can't imagine a "sucessfull" downtempo dj in front of 25,000 :lol:

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[S]Fuckin hormones[/S]

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[quote=Haziel;737699]I just can't imagine a "sucessfull" downtempo dj in front of 25,000 :lol:[/quote]

Downtempo?? Who plays downtempo? Man I played hard dark proggy for 25ks, the afterhours style of dark proggy,,,not "downtempo",

And before u take that silly jealous smile off ur face I suggest u satisfy ur imagination by take a peak to my album pix, and ur imagination will be satisfied then...;)

In the meantime please do remind us of your number of audience since u have such a sarcastic smile on ur face...otherwise I suggest u drop that silly smile of urs. Sick and tired of seeing female djs being discredited for their hard work and achievements just becaause we are women, especially by masculist djs who haven't yet managed to play out of their bedrooms!

So whats ur number Haziel, with a proof pic! And yes now the hormones are kicking in big time... :D

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For fuck's sake Shiva, you're cool and all, but nobody here is talking about YOU. So stop taking everything so personally. It's not all about you yo.

What Haziel meant was using numbers to judge the success of a DJ is not the best way to go because a downtempo/chill out DJ would play to a significantly smaller number in a much more intimate setting.

[s]Jesus fucking christ.[/s]

Get a fucking grip.

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Well Feather, I might not be the direct subject on this thread, but i am a female dj and I consider myself as part of this subject, and targeted as well. So next time we talk about female djs, plz lets not make it in general, coz the minority might feel targeted and offended....I suggest we be more specific when talking about female djs.. Nikky Bellucci and few others are a particular case, but it doesnt mean it has to be generalized to all of us...

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[QUOTE=Shiva;737708]Downtempo?? Who plays downtempo? Man I played hard dark proggy for 25ks, the afterhours style of dark proggy,,,not "downtempo",

And before take that silly jealoussmile off ur face I suggest u satisfy ur imagination by take a peak to my album pix, and ur imagination will be satisfied...;)[/QUOTE]

Lol , I know you don't play downtempo , but you do know that there are some dj's that actually play downtempo / chill out music and not spin in front of 25,000 people right? According to your post a dj is only succesfull based on the amount of people the dj spins for? so where does this leave the dj's that spin music that are not for big dancing events ?????

If you know anything about this music , EDM's natural environment is in a club not a 25,000 outdoor event , hence in a 25,000 outdoor event I doubt that the majority of that crowd is really " underground " .

and please for future references don't use my posts to promote your albums . Thank you

:lol:

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[quote=Shiva;733471]WoW.

I have been added to this group on myspace, "femme on decks": I count 62 females djs....yea!!!

[URL]http://friends.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewfriends&friendID=102499311&catID=-9223207595339414545&p=2[/URL]

[B]But how many of them are serious djs I wonder?[/B][/quote]

Lady, you started this thread with that post, which immediately set the tone of the thread and cast aspersion on said DJs.

Nobody ever mentioned you in this thread, everyone else was posting pictures of DJs they found on the myspace page and talking about them. Nobody actually said any of these DJs were shit except for that one comment about Belluci. Everything that was said here was about the perception of female DJs by the public.

Who the fuck was targetting you? You choose to read into what was said in this thread. Nobody singled you out, we were just talking because the issue was raised. Chloe is a female DJ and she didn't strike me as 'targetted:' she had a much more objective and down-to-earth input.

Chill the fuck out.

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Use you post to promote my album??

Dude...do you think i need YOU topromote my album??

Seriously man, get back down to earth. I case you dont know I have profiles and groups with double the number of active members of [MS] all put together...so haziel, for me ur just a grain of sand of all the deserts combined... please re-dimention urself

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This thread is making me too nervous, so I am out for here for now.

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[quote=Shiva;737727]Use you post to promote my album??

Dude...do you think i need YOU topromote my album??

Seriously man, get back down to earth. I case you dont know I have profiles and groups with double the number of active members of [MS] all put together...so zahiel, for me ur just a grain of sand of all the deserts combined... please re-dimention urself[/quote]

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[QUOTE=Shiva;737727]Use you post to promote my album??

Dude...do you think i need YOU topromote my album??

Seriously man, get back down to earth. I case you dont know I have profiles and groups with double the number of active members of [MS] all put together...so zahiel, for me ur just a grain of sand of all the deserts combined... please re-dimention urself[/QUOTE]

Well first of all it would be nice if you would answer my previous question not just go by the tangent, Do you think a dj's success is based on the amount of people the dj spins for??

I think I have to believe at this point you're just continuing all this because you're bored or you have a big ego problem + you hormones due to your current condition are probably altering your brainwork so Just let it go Shiva, as I can't imagine any sane person actually believing the utter nonsense you continue to post.

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