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Sad news in the local EDM scene...

37 durable postsStarted 2009-03-23Latest 2009-03-25
#68050Post 1 of 37

It is common knowledge around these parts that Lebanon is the heart of EDM in the Middle-East for several reasons; here are some:

The local law enforcement agencies and the army are not very well equipped in human force and in militarily as well. So by consequence you get less law enforcement and more freedom :D Of course, we all prefer less law enforcement and much more freedom; but what happens when the freedom gets really out of hand? Where does the boundary between freedom and ethics lie in an EDM scene?

As far as Lebanon is concerned, until last year when I got involved I had been noticing a major increase in people being wasted, I mean totally wasted! Younger and younger kids are being affected, I mean I have even seen 7 yrs' old jumping on speakers at 11:00 am on a Sunday Afterhours morning! I have heard about youngsters pupping up to 35 pills of extacy in 1 fu***ing single night!!! And I don't wana talk about the other "surrounding" chemicals such as Special K, GHB or GBL...there you may find common gossips or stories about chicks waking up in someone's bed after being raped all night long without even knowing it......disgusting!

That has even affected the clubbers musically, I mean seriously, now clubbers would dance to anything without being selective in music, its all that amount of drugs pumping up their brains!!! Damn, you could even throw a pan down the stairs and have the clubbers dance on its ding-dong noise!!! I have even seen ravers dance edm on ARABIC music...Hellooooooooooo!!!!

I have gone out the local scene since a while now, and still when an EDM concert takes place in Beirut, I always get feedbacks on how the evening went: The quality of the crowd (kids, minors, majors...), the presence of the cops (and busts), the performance of the star DJ, and local DJs, the promoters' job as well etc etc... I am a DJ, so I always get the picture first hand.

Last weekend, I had a couple of friends over who brought me the latest news on the Tiesto (fiesto) concert. I mean I donno how this guy makes it, but every time he spins in a concert, he breaks all kinds of records in attendees, I mean by the tens of thousands...whereas DJs like Lawler, for instance, would barely pass the 5000!! I still can't figure that out! Anyway, I was told that during that concert where at least 15.000 attended many huge fights broke up at several stages and times during the event. The law enforcement couldn't intervene coz they were not in good number or well equipped, and by consequence massacres happened: it turned from an EDM concert into a huge fighting browl. A fight is ugly no matter where it happens, but it is even uglier here because of the Lebanese degree of violence, they are (unfortunately) "good" at it when it comes to that....they are angry!

So now we are hearing the minister of interior and the minister of defense planning to forbid the EDM scene, or at least crack it down badly: They wana shut down all night clubs and pubs by no later than 03:00 am (right now there are no laws concerning this at all, its a 24/7 hour partying). So here you go: our twist of liberty getting sized down big time.

In a way, I am happy about this decision, because really when you see all these young generations literally getting eaten by chemicals, it really breaks your heart...

I am not gona mention how many casualties we have on the roads due to car accidents on a weekly basis....I

Lately the US have donated those super latest cop cars to the Lebanese police, I mean those latest machines you would think you're living in the MadMax era, and yet no cops are to be seen around during the night! So, get your latest BMW on your way out of a club pupped with all kinda stuff, and go for a ride on a the highways: let that counter hit 220+km/h and nobody will even blink an eye at you! I mean where are we going like this....!?

Yes, since things got that far and really out of hand, I think that freedom is totally being abused at the expense of many lives...yes in this case EDM should be drastically resized to a minimum; That is my opinion.

#1188463Post 2 of 37

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Thats a whole lot of fukd up situations!Sonds like people have just lost the plot

#1188465Post 3 of 37

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Sad to hear this is happening in Lebanon....

#1188466Post 4 of 37

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Sounds like a seriously messed up situation - just as well you have taken a back seat from the scene in readiness for that major little event on your life ;)

#1188473Post 5 of 37

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[quote=simonr;726100]Sounds like a seriously messed up situation - just as well you have taken a back seat from the scene in readiness for that major little event on your life ;)[/quote]

^ 100% I was seeing it coming ;)

Yea, and I wana mention this, just to add more ridicule to what is already soo ridiculous, check this one out :D : Wherever you look around on the streets of Beirut, well surely till a couple of months ago coz now they are cracking down on them...almost 3/5 younger than 18 looks like that:

[IMG]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/Shiva_Leb/others/N6786069.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/Shiva_Leb/others/n587270845_494862_1686.jpg[/IMG]

THE SPIKEYS!!!...:lol:

Oh boy, when I was their age, it was like the hippies era, then came the "Punk" era, the English....but these ones, the spikeys they are the new "in" must-be fashion for the youngster. They are being mainly blamed for whats going on, I mean they are the alarm bell coz they are the youngest generations!...DAMMMNNN!!!

So now, at each entrance of a concert, it is forbidden for the "spikeys" to go in. And if a spikey has bought the ticket and still wana go in he has to pass through a shower put in place on purpose for the spikeys to wash their hair before entering. So now at each entrance of a concert, you have the "shower room" :lol:

And they dance something called "tektronic" dance or something :D

#1188480Post 6 of 37

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damn. that's very sad to hear S. surely they will learn the hard way from their wanton behavior, unfortunately. i think if one depends on drugs to immerse themselves in EDM, then they are conscious laggards. overall, i also think that the music today broadly mirrors the mean gamut of all the scenes.

as far as the "fohawk" hairstyle goes, you can blame the "scene" subculture over here for that. sigh.

keep fightin' da good fight yo.

#1188490Post 7 of 37

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don't know bout the rest of you, but the tiesto music drives me to riot.

In all seriousness though, we've had similar things happen here in the United States, some I agree with, some I don't. I love how you captured how the party scene has become more about drugs with clubbers not giving a damn about the quality of music, and just dancing to any damn horseshit that comes out of a speaker.

It is interesting that it has happened this way, because I've found that a lot of cracking down on out-of-the-way parties have occurred simply because promoters don't want to face the liability, that is to say, self-policing and self-censorship in a way.

I think you'd make an excellent journalist reporting on the changing landscape of the edm scene in that area in face of the new regulations.

#1188491Post 8 of 37

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[quote=Shiva;726107]^ 100% I was seeing it coming ;)

So now, at each entrance of a concert, it is forbidden for the "spikeys" to go in. And if a spikey has bought the ticket and still wana go in he has to pass through a shower put in place on purpose for the spikeys to wash their hair before entering. So now at each entrance of a concert, you have the "shower room" :lol:

And they dance something like called "tektronic" dance or something :D[/quote]

hahaha for real?? They have a "shower room" to convert the "spikeys" to "flatties"? :lol:

Sad to hear. It is especially sad to see young kids messed up on chemicals. At that age, the brain is still developing so who knows what kind of permanent damage these kids are suffering, and what kind of lives they're setting up for themselves. That's one reason I quickly got turned off the no age limit rave scenes here. At one rave I saw a kid who must have been 12 or 13 trying to make a transaction with a dealer, while still fuct up on whatever he had injested/snorted/injected.

That said though, even if the police cracked down on the EDM scene, these kids would just find some other place to go get high.

#1188497Post 9 of 37

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well drugs are the driving force of our time...expanding ones conciseness and all that. Its a shame that its available to everyone in uncontrolled doses...mentally unstable people should stay clear of psycho active substances IMO...using it run away from the reality of everyday life is not cool and its not what they were made for. Everything in excess can has a bad effect on your health...MDMA, Cocaine, Alcohol, Caffeine, Vitamin C...etc I am all for legalizing everything...tax it and control the quality and strength.

As for Lebanon specifically..they will just drive the EDM scene underground and not be able to police it which will be even worse but at least it will seem like they are doing something...just like Goa india.

I wouldn't be too worried about it if I was you...its destined to fail.

#1188499Post 10 of 37

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So have the "Spikeys" been influenced by this ?

[IMG]http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/Sasha-wavygravy.jpg[/IMG]

#1188503Post 11 of 37

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hope things work out in Lebanon.

#1188508Post 12 of 37

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^ I wish they would be inspired by that.... Man if you see them dance....I donno how do describe it, "tecktronic dance?"

I donno, these young guys make me feel like "ignorant", "old" or "an outsider". I mean hearing a 21yr old boy bragging about taking 35 pills in 1 night did make me feel.....stupid!!! lol

That reminds me, a couple of months ago there was a concert in town, one of those good house djs, dont remember which one, and the cops went down on the crowd and busted like 300-400 ravers. lol...usually the people busted for drugs are taken to a specific station downtown, the "anti-drug" station... I heard that the station couldn't hold all the people they had busted that night. So they ended up taking the IDs of the people they couldn't hold, so they would wait to be called back in while the cops were finishing processing the ones already in.... :what

So now when you have a rave party going on, you can bet that 99% of the ravers attending the party are scared to hell to get busted...a urine test is enough!

Thats the atmosphere at the moment...

#1188515Post 13 of 37

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIAJqHIb8AM[/YOUTUBE]

sorry I HAD to post this the song is just too funny and with the dance its just hilarious...

#1188516Post 14 of 37

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tecktonik made it over there? fuck, that shit was huge here last year, haven't seen much of it lately. terrible terrible

#1188520Post 15 of 37

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[quote=Shpira;726153][youtube]BIAJqHIb8AM[/youtube]

sorry I HAD to post this the song is just too funny and with the dance its just hilarious...[/quote]

^ Yea, I guess it is something like that but more rough, at least this guy makes it smoothly...

#1188524Post 16 of 37

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No wonder there's punchups then ... all those Spikeys with bad co-ordination getting in the way of the serious clubbers !

Makes me grateful for the reasonable UK scene.

#1188535Post 17 of 37

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[quote=Shpira;726153]

sorry I HAD to post this the song is just too funny and with the dance its just hilarious...[/quote]

haha - this is tektronic?? Actually I didn't think the guy's that bad, maybe even pretty good. :D

I thought tektronic was some version of the robot dance! lol

[youtube]FK0uMwOxOhc[/youtube]

#1188553Post 18 of 37

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Sounds like the California rave scene back in the late 80's/early 90's, for a lot of those kids that whole thing is something rebelliously new and most will try to push it as far as they can. As an old geezer myself, I try to talk to the younger crowd at shows, cause they are always amazed to hear about some almost 40 yr old listening to EDM and the acid house days etc, it's up to the vets of the scene to offer something else, we use to have Sunday raves in the park, a daytime thing for the most part people showed up sober, only the real heads cranked it up for the daytime and those folk were beyond hope. We all know dance music has such a strong energy, a motivational force, a primitive nature, it can spontaneously cause people to get mental, I still do at some show and if was not in a club I would have probably had a net thrown over me to be sent to an asylum, lastly someday these kids will be club going age and when I have seen them they usually are the straightest of the bunch, so don't give up hope yet just try to set a positive example, maybe with some free mixes at shows, once they hear your sound, they"ll toss old tesitcle right in the trash.

#1188558Post 19 of 37

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pump up the jam, pump it up.

too bad about the spikey nonsense

#1188559Post 20 of 37

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^^ as a youngster, i respect that, well said A. i'm thankful for the nice funky house scene we got goin on here in orange county nowadays.

#1188662Post 21 of 37

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Apparently that 'techtonic' thing was big in france last year according to my little brother who spent part of the year there on exchange. Never knew what it was until I saw those videos :lol:

#1188784Post 22 of 37

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[QUOTE=Shpira;726153][YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIAJqHIb8AM[/YOUTUBE]

sorry I HAD to post this the song is just too funny and with the dance its just hilarious...[/QUOTE]

my friends and I were dancing exactly like that here 15 years ago...

#1188797Post 23 of 37

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I can't stand hearing this kind of thing. Being a DJ I hate to think I'm contributing to this kind of behavior. It's so depressing to hear about a 16 year old kid overdosing on pills... Stuff like this makes me wanna just quit.

#1188803Post 24 of 37

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Here's what they were dancing like when I first hit the dance music scene back in the early 80's

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg[/YOUTUBE]

#1188847Post 25 of 37

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^ I believe it, all the best music was being played at ghey clubs :Gay: in all seriousness

#1188857Post 26 of 37

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[quote=floridaorange;726537]^ I believe it, all the best music was being played at their clubs :Gay: in all seriousness[/quote]

There is some truth to that....donno how to explain it, but true! :D

[quote=Erik Mitchell;726480]I can't stand hearing this kind of thing. Being a DJ I hate to think I'm contributing to this kind of behavior. It's so depressing to hear about a 16 year old kid overdosing on pills... Stuff like this makes me wanna just quit.[/quote]

Yes, at one of my last gigs that idea had seriously crossed my mind: Last summer I had already started refusing "small" gigs (i.e. less than 300 ppl) and therefore was more "selective" on where, how and whom I'd play with. And finally, before being grounded, I got to a stage where I would accept to play only with international DJs visiting Lebanon, even if it meant less work for me.

Since a while now clubbing has become much less than what it use to be for me: it has become more work than fun, more like going to the office than goin partying :(

With this kind of EDM evolution, I feel that in the future, I will take more the "producer path" than the "DJ path" (as I am currently doing), a "chill-producing" while taking it easy at home so-to-speak. And if all goes as I would like to, I will be making 1 local concert per year as main act with my own music, and will be focusing more on the European market...and that will be IT for me, as far as EDM is concerned.

#1188896Post 27 of 37

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^^probly a good idea.at the end of the day you still wanna b able to enjoy wot your doin without having to worry if its goin to kick off half way thru a night

#1188913Post 28 of 37

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[quote=floridaorange;726537]^ I believe it, all the best music was being played at ghey clubs :Gay: in all seriousness[/quote]

Well in late eighties when acid and house started hiting the West Coast it was in primarily Gay and Lesbian venues, A couple nights a week some of the DJ's would drop acidhouse and house music all night ...... long, jeez even in Tijuana there were a couple clubs dropping house music on the weekends, then the raves followed and the busts, and the clampdown, then everyone turned 21 and the club scene took off.

#1188921Post 29 of 37

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Gay & Lesbian clubs tend to be more nasty, even musically.

In my djing experience I played in both kinds of clubs (being an aftehours dj thats not hard), and it seems they are always ahead than normal "hetero" clubs (musically).

#1188922Post 30 of 37

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during my more open-minded college yrs (like in 1999) we would go to a gay/straight club in san diego that had a lot of gay dudes because it was the only after hours club and played really good prog house... technically it wasn't "gay night" when we went, but the bartenders still were shirtless...lots of pretty women though, made it easy to justify going as well.

#1188927Post 31 of 37

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^ Funny,The place I was referring to was Rich's, being from SD myself besides that place and Romperoom was playing acid house back in the 80's, Green Circle Bar but that was more housey, first place I saw Doc Martin spin at.

#1188930Post 32 of 37

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^small world. my friend from college's dad owned "the body shop" (and still does) so anyway needless to say he was a pretty open minded dude...rich's ya, and there was another name of a club before it became "the brass rail," but i could be wrong...so you know what I mean about the afterhours scene at that time...

#1188936Post 33 of 37

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Yeah there were some pretty heavy places like straight up Village People style but that where the early MDMA was found and I would take acid to the clubs, being a deadhead at the time as well and get everyone whacked out of their minds The Old B Rail, Hillcrest is a bit more now suburban than back then, we use to put on club nights downtown at that Greek Resturant off of E street, Star Bar, and even Bodie's once and a while.

#1188942Post 34 of 37

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^must have been an awesome scene before the whole county became more or less overcrowded. the star bar was is still pretty cool...had friends who lived in hillcrest, i never mustered up the courage to party there though...even recently.

#1189041Post 35 of 37

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Well downtown was still a shite hole back then rent was mega cheap and the homeless were a plenty. Tons of parties in the business buildings most of them were empty and the larger raves at the Sports Arena.

#1189071Post 36 of 37

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LOl they should move to nz where e is 50 - 80$ a pill and see how many they want to take LOL its like, ummmm where did my 500bucks go?

#1189108Post 37 of 37

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^if you are at the right club, it was practically free in SoCal:lol: not that I know anything about any of that stuff.

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