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If it sounds good and you can shake ya ass to it who cares... certainly not me.

OOOps sorry double post. :roll:

^damn n00b

WoW :shock:

cant wait to see the legend act out his magic on his new gear :RockOn:

what program is Tiesto running in that photo?

Re: The future of EDM

All reports from his Sydney set said it was a flawless performance (joke).

I wasn't there personally...

Almost everyone said it didn't have the Sasha magic he had during his ADD tour.

Perhaps it was his style changing or the laptop , who can say. He seemed to have a total blast during his set which can't be a bad thing.

--djway

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Thanks the Photo!!!This is great!!! :twisted:

I was there... standing about two metres behind the person taking that photo. Sasha didn't touch a CD or record once - it was the first "all Ableton" set he'd done.

As a result, it's not fair to judge it in the same way as other DJ sets from a technical standpoint - it was technically perfect. Layers and elements of different tracks just completely invisibly blended together. Programming-wise though, I thought it was poor. Not a touch on Airdrawn. That said, most people disagree with me on that. I felt it lacked [i]those[/i] "Sasha moments" and the lack of decks took some of that away as well.

The vibe was absolutely insane though.. it was rammed to the rafters, our local lads (Ben Korbel and Robbie Lowe specifically) did AWESOME sets and Groove Armada had been doing gigs over the weekend which meant plenty of munted groovers kicking on afterwards at the GA afters. Sasha popped into that as well for a while, but the real winner was the excellent vibe all round. Had an excellent time. :)

ive been saying this for a lonngggg time

what the hell is playing? it doesn't look like any of the faders are up.

Don't recall what the track was, but I think you can see two of the levels are up just left of centre. Not much laptop activity at that point actually, but that was a rarity. He was working damn hard at the time.. nearly 7 days ago to the hour actually. :)

please tell me he's not wearing a tie :roll:

[quote=thrualoooop]please tell me he's not wearing a tie :roll:[/quote] :shock: And do you see a tie there?

A front view if you still have any doubts:

[img]http://www.residentadvisor.net/photos/syd041031sasha/imgp0822.jpg[/img]

from one point i dont care with what he plays as long as the music is great and makes me dance like crazy... BUT in that case dj's could only record their sets and just press a play button and that's not what going to a club is about is it?

I have mixed feelings about this...part of being a great dj is being able to mix and change it up to work the crowd.

But if the set is already created, then where is the magic?

What's next? the Powerbook fails so the dj throws in a cassette tape?

anyone got the pic of hawtin where he has two computers and a shitload of other stuff set up? :mrgreen:

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Nice rack.

And I dont meen the set-up :Naughty: fnar-fnar

In my opinion, Sasha is just adding a new element to mix music.

Recording a set in Ableton Live is no cake walk. It's a lot of work, and I give the guy a lot of credit for trying something new.

This is how I see it.

With Ableton, you can do a lot more with a track. Ie: Add effects, and different layers, that would be imossible with a mixer and/or turntables and a CD player.

So Sasha's just getting the programming and track selection out of the way, so that he can really work on the mix during the set.

It's just adding a new element to DJ'ing, and personally I think it's very cool. Getting the mixing out of the way just leaves room for a whole new realm of creativity during the mix that would have otherwise been impossible!!

We may have lost the element of the turntable, and live mixing, but there is a whole new element to DJ'ing that is being spawned from all of this EDM stuff, and I'm really excited about the future of electronic music.

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looks cool, but what happens when the computer crashes?

Hhahaha.

LOL.

True.

I can picture it now. He'll get on a microphone and ask everybody politely to wait while he reboots his computer.

he ain't running windows

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When ITM is back up, I'll get ya'll the process he goes through (from the guys who put on his show in Sydney).

In short, he has 3 staff asking to get the 'parts/layers' of tracks that he wants to play. They then import the track in it's parts into Albeton Live.

What Sasha is doing is something no one else can do. He's not breaking tracks down, he's building them up. He's got them in parts and is putting them together.

--djway

Ive been mixing with live since live 2.0 (mainly cause I dont know how to spin). The good thing is that it lets you make a perfect flawless mix with fx, simple shit, dunno why the people are so amazed of Sasha doing that. :lickmyha:

[quote=supaz] But if the set is already created, then where is the magic? [/quote]

So my question is: what's the differrence? No revolution here with Ableton - dj's ALWAYS could have had their sets prerecorded. Whether on vinyl or much easier on a cd. Somehow nobody points that out. Just when something new comes...

[quote=tiddles]he ain't running windows[/quote]

Certainly a good point! :CrackUp: Mac is mac. Pitty I can't afford one... :?

[quote=Revinant]dunno why the people are so amazed of Sasha doing that. :lickmyha:[/quote]

cause he's bringing it to the masses. Revolution does not start when something new appears - only when crowds start noticing it. The attitudes towards mixing with a laptop or simply without vinyl have changed a LOT already. And that's where you can blame Sasha.

he jumped on the bandwagon imo.... he just gets more exposure

remember when bt did his kiss mix on a mac? that was well over a year and a half ago.... nobody thought bt was the man for trying some new shit

^ That's exactly my point. Nobody here / or on any prog /less comercial music forum took bt seriously. Actually everybody criticized his laptop symphony. What Sasha did was giving it credibility. Nothing more, no innovation, no big thing. Just that now everybody considers mixing from a laptop an option to think about.

ubiqe: I really don't think you understand what sasha is doing. With BT fair enough they were his own tracks, a laptop symphony is nothing, in regards to Sasha (but is amazing by itself). Sasha would have literally 10000's of samples on his laptop from 1000's of different tracks.....He hasn't broken them down or made his own loops, he's been [i]given[/i] the parts to each track he plays by itself off the producer[he's got 3 staff full time asking for parts of tracks].

This allows for a much cleaner, less 'op shop' sound. It's not like he's cutting tracks up himself, and it's not like he's pre-making a set in albeton with track he's ripped to vinyl. He's getting each track in a form of elements. He could have the bassline of 1 track, the mid of another and the highs of another all running @ the same time.

Sure BT can do that, but he's only got that of his own productions, where as Sasha can do it for [i]any[/i] track he wants to play. There's a difference.

--djway

I agree with you - his working hard. My replay was to all those who say that there were many others before him - and not the likes of bt but rather some less known djs who use comps for years now. <- And this is true. He's no innovator, he didn't think it up but still:

1. He works hard to get the sound
2. He's got a huge influence on the attitudes.

Other DJ's have used computers in the past. But they are DJ mixing MP3's, or cutting up vinyl's or MP3's.

Sasha is the first DJ to de-construct, as apposed to cutting up tracks. Not many people could ask every producer of a track they'd like to play to send them the individual sound files. Sasha has a team doing this.

I'm not saying he's the 1st(hell, I was doing it 2 years ago myself using cubase) but I'm say he's doing it from a different angle ( I'm still waiting on ITM to come back up so I can back up exactly what I'm talking about here).

I'm not attacking you, just trying to get us on some level ground.

--djway

Finally I can get that quote I was after...

The qoute comes from the guy who runs the club where Sasha played last Sunday (Ben Korbel).

"Hi all,

Just to give you all a little more idea of the effort that goes into Sasha's new live laptop show. We didn't advertise it in the marketing as Sasha has only been using the laptop for part of his sets up until now, as a third deck (using mostly CD mixing). Last night was the first time he has performed an entire set from laptop. Now just to let you know what's involved.

Sasha has three full time staff whose sole job is to contact labels and producers of tracks Sasha wants to play, requesting the seperated/layered parts of a particular track. When they can't get the parts, they pull the track apart themselves. These parts are then sent to Sasha and loaded onto his laptop. When he mixes in Abelton, he has individual control of the bass note, vocals, percussion etc etc and uses an outboard controller and mixing desk to manipulate and introduce each layer.

Ontop of this he has an outboard fx unit that can change the sound of any layer on a particular track he is mixing. For all intensive purposes he is performing just as live as any electronic band. The reason that it sounds so seemless and programmed is that Sasha spends weeks on his laptop, familiarising himself with his music so that it flows. As for it being boring to look at, this is subjective but I agree an interesting and fair point and there is something cool about the more manual visual aspect of a turntable. Sasha is now developing an integrated controller for his live show with a joystick type device so it might look like he's playing Playstation. Who knows what's next, perhaps DJs with virtual reality goggles!

Ben

PS. For me personally, as someone who feels progressive is an outdated and tired sound (in its traditional form), I felt Sasha's performance was refreshing to include a more dance floor oriented sound, with the house/electro aspect. I'd say 90% of the crowd, who aren't purists, felt the same, judging by the hands in the air.

Ironically it's (SOME, not all) of the purists who have sucked the life out of their own prog scene by being so anayltical and critical about it to the extent where there is unfortunately little scene left. That's why it is great to see the wider dance community enjoying dance music for dancing's sake."

--djway

Many thanks for the quote. But I still think all the post in this topic (and many others) about guys using Ableton for mixing live meant that they were also doing this (though they probably don't have contacts within labels...) Or is Sasha the first to mix from parts? :unsure: Well if yes then :Respect: and :RockOn: If not, still :Respect: and certainly :RockOn: :wink:

what I tried to put through (as an argument for sash, not against him...) was that even if he's not the first to do this it's his achievement that mixing from comp becomes more and more popular. <- And that's where he starts a revolution.

Call me old school... I'm down the the 1200's and vinyl... :twisted:

I have no interest in some mad mobile studio/laboratory...

leave that at home and work on your releases...

and for the previous comment of how dj's already has their set pre-programmed...bollocks...

I've seen Sasha bring 5 flight cases of records for a 4 hour set....that's not pre-programming. That's bringing the war chest to work the crowd.

I'm glad someone else has noted this...

"I have no interest in some mad mobile studio/laboratory...

leave that at home and work on your releases... "

I agree with that statement 100%

--djway

^^^

what he said ;)

i was there and it was an awesome set. u could hear individual samples/riffs from some tracks played over others and running effects and shit over certain loops. i really enjoyed it. if u wanna hear a similar set to the one he played in syd (only more proggy) look out for his Maxima FM (22-AUG-2004) set. The vs set he did with James Zabiela @ Pacha, Ibiza (05-AUG-2004) is a good example of a set where he seems to utelise Ableton a lot and u can hear the variety of different tracks and loops he uses (i espec like the Dark Train riff that eases in and out over the space of 15mins)...

I'm really impressed with what Sasha is doing, and thank god somebody is exploring new grounds and innovating. To paraphrase Woody Allen: it's like a shark, if it's not moving forward, it is dying.