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[quote=Shiva;634453]^ Yes I have been to Holland many times, as a matter of fact I lived in Brussels for a while in the early 90's and I am familiar not only with Amsterdam but also with the back country. What you are referring to is the red quarter and its surrounding, and the other place that looks even nastier is Rotterdam. But what you also missed to mention is that all those dealers are imigrants from north Africa, most of them unempolyed illegal imigrents. Yes, indeed, in Holland you have more unemployed illegal north Africans than local real dutch. So this criminal and decadent environment you refer to is related to other things than legal matters concerning cancer or criminality. And yes I know of records, Holland doesn't have more cancer patients than Italy, France or other countries, and surely less than Ireland. Have you ever met real dutch from the back country? The ones that don't hang out in the red quarters where all coffee shops, sex theaters and all the crap is massed? Yes, all junkies of Europe and the world go there for drug seasoning, its part of the ducth strategy to attract tourists. But there are similar nasty neighborhoods without even tourists all around the world like in Napoli, Stockholm, Madrid, Paris where cops don't even dare to set foot in. But thats not the issue I raised, if societies wana ban what kills and causes cancer, well they should ban alcohol as well coz that surely hurts much more than soft drugs, it destroys the liver, it is addictive and turn people violent which makes it even more dangerous to others: Look at the British hooligans for ex, they killed more than 40 Italians in the Heizel just because they were a bunch of alcoholics under its effect, and this in a sport event! Hooligans are born from alcohol! I have never seen hooligans born from soft drugs, all I saw coming out of that was concerts like woodstock and the hippy days of the 60's...but that was not violence, it didnt kill anyone.

How many people get killed every year on the world roads related directly or indirectly to alcohol? How many young clubbers end up kissing the wall while driving on the way home after clubbing? Is it because of soft drugs or alcohol? Or as a matter of fact ANYTHING taken mixed with alcohol?

Lets not get into too many variables of what and why... you are talking about cancer??! Lets be Macchiavellic a bit here: People are dying of lung cancer and they never touched a cigarette in their lives, pollution obliges ;)

How much do you thing stress kills?? You should check those records and you will be surprised. Stress is the major cause of most body failures...So if you wana live few hundred years, not smoking is not enough ;)

And soft drugs ARE legal in Holland, not de-penalized, LEGAL, up to a certain limit.

But compare apple-to-apple on what kills the most between alcohol and soft drugs, what causes most problems on individual and social level, well I stick to my opinion...[/quote]

in all fairness you are correct in just about everything u said, i,m only talking about my personal experience but everyone always uses the alcohol and cigarette thing as a counter argument on this one, what they always forget to mension is that i dont see many gangs going about shooting other gang members just because he didnt give the other guy his ciggarette back, you only have to look @ the carl cox incident last year where there was a drug related shooting in some event he was playing @... i have never seen outside the city life in holland but i know a few people who live in holland who i sometimes talk to online and they seem some of the most relaxed people you will ever meet...i still dont agree with the attitude to drugs though, i used to but becoming ill with phsycosis a while back changed my perception on just how dangerous the toxicity of some of these substances can be, thc isnt broken down with the liver very well and of curse ones its in there you have to give your body functions time to deal with it, unfortunately i didnt and became very ill...self inflicted...at least i,m honest about it....i have to be....people can learn from my mistakes....if i told you all the full story you would see thast its a place no human should ever want to goto. its doesnt matter what happens @ this point because even though ur on medication you still crave thc for years after and usually u just substitute the craving for food. i started taking drugs quite young and for a while it was just for the effects or the drugs because for ones i found a feeling where i could just switch off and be myself without a care in the world, i suddenly realised it was more about the music enjoyment and the effects of drugs combined ( and dont blame everything on edm as every other fool does when i tell this story )...a freind of mine started to dj when we were about 20-21 years old and we never really thought much more about it at that point because all my money i was getting was going on cheap weed but it wasnt before long we started to express ourselves a little on my freinds decks lol, i started buying records etc but @ the same time i was also quite a heavy weed smoker and of course when u get the euphoric breakdown of a nice northern exposure style prog tune and u combine it with the dopamine high of weed your body gets overloaded with substance and your body becomes use to having that effect....the 2 go hand in handwhich is exceptionally dangerous becuase it gives concentration and breaking that cycle will take years and years....its the hardest strugle you will ever have to go through....

the whole phsycology behind people attitudes to drugs only causes more paranioa but in certain instances where most of the people are on drugs and in one place there seems to be a relaxed mood ( which u touched on previously in a reply.. ) this is because there is less paranioa about being able to openly talk about it to people surrounding you and also you are free to express yourself in a way which only a crowd of people with a similar nature would understand, i think this is why the early edm scene and the drug extacy was so popular in the early 90's....but as usual it was fine untill everyone got there hands on it and started trying to but in on it and of course everything started going down hill from there...this kind of attitude is still present in todays nightclubs but i see a lot of people going downhill and fast simply because now the drug culture is so filthy in this country that 90% of the stuff people are taking are of unknown substance which makes it hard for the medical people to deal with......some people will never learn, its just like when u were young etc you never really considered where or who that substance came from just before u injested it. unfortunately i learned that lesson the hard way.

you cant always blame alcohol for frustration though its what lies undernethe in the persons mind which is the over all consideration that everyone always overlooks...its the exact same thing with drugs....in the uk growing up we were always told to just say no and given the image that if u did that or that you would instantly become this or that ( if u know what i meen by that ) then as you grew up u suddenly seen ur peers take substance that previously u had been told was "devil" stuff and they were fine and of course this lead you to try it urself.....that just say no attitude doesnt work because 9 times out of 10 you seen people drunk falling about the streets when u were growing up and were put off alcohol, personally i hate getting drunk and i think u have been shown a good reason why i dont like to get drunk.

there is also one other problem with drug culture...its the way of thinking it leads people into thinking...for example...a lot of people think that if u can get away with taking drugs then some people take it that one step further and try to get away with other things that are illegal....its one step @ a time towards a downward spiral if your not carefull

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^^^^ Red 1 That post supports Shiva's LEGALIZE stance!! Most of the problems wouldn't exist if it was legal, and we are are talking about soft drugs, in particular ecstasy. [or I am] Let's face it alcohol had the same problems during prohibition :D When ecstasy was legal in the US there were over 11million doses taken and not one adverse event recorded. !!!

[QUOTE=Shiva;634381]I don't like the twist this thread took, and I am not the type of person to hide behind by my finger, so i'm gona be blunt and strait forward about this:

First, a basic rule of a dj is to know his crowd/audience, and I surely know how to judge my audience coz I grew up on stage: I am proud of being an afterhours dj, which means I play NASTY & DARK music for a particular audience of the early (and late) mornings. And I can guarantee you that 90% of that audience is not holding a bottle of milk in hand, but a bottle of water or redbull... Why? Coz it is the "nastiest" yet the "loveliest" music crowd you can find around, they are surely all sky high on drugs and not alcohol. And as for judging a crowd, I escape from alcohol audience where most of the time fights, violence and trouble happen between clubbers. This is the main catch between alcohol crowds and non-alcohol crowds...with the non-alcohol crowd you can be sure that nothing will happen, not even a slap across the face all night long. I am so anti-alcohol person and I believe that all western countries, except Holland, are so hypocrite concerning the drug subject.

Lets take Holland for ex where soft drugs are legal since years now. What do they get for that:

Less violence, less heavy addicts, less alcoholics, less mafias, less dealers, less AIDS, less public debt, less public deficit etc etc... More economic strength and therefore better living standards, more peace, more fun, more tourism, more national income etc etc...

Also, to point out that Holland, unlike the rest of Europe, is the ONLY country that has been facing inflation and cost of living with all easy since the early 90's till today, simply coz soft drugs (and sex- but thats not the issue here) were turned into LEGAL and controlled industries.

Compare the clubs of Holland with the rest of the clubs in the world, compare the dutch crowd and mentality with the rest of the world.....they are far ahead of all other advanced nations in this matter.....coz they are not HYPOCRITE about it! Now other neighboring nations are starting to learn the lesson: Switzerland, France, Belgium & Spain have officially de-penalized it (not fully legal yet though, but on the way)

Now the US are trying to make a prescription thing, and in California only, when they have to face the most urgent matter since the fall of communism: crystal. Yes, the most dangerous drug ever to exist, and the easiest to produce, and this issue is unfortunately getting out of hand in the US, almost as much as the brown in Afghanistan or the white in Colombia. Had they followed the dutch system, this issue would probably have not gotten so far and deeply rooted in society. But no, lets keep on being hypocrite about this...

The more you forbid people from doing something, the more they will do it and go beyond...that's human nature.

Where do I stand on this: [B]LEGALIZE SOFT DRUGS & BAN ALCOHOL[/B]

(09:00am, afterhours in one of the darkest underground clubs of Beirut) [IMG]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w50/Shiva_Leb/DSCF0175.jpg[/IMG]

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Live and let live![/QUOTE] YES!!!!!!My sentiments exactly!!!!! :bow down::bow down::bow down::bow down:

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In regards to the original topic of this thread....the mercuryserver chat room on Soulseek was gone, so I restarted it. Will try to be in there when online. Feel free to pop in and say hello

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[quote=DIDI;634530]^^^^ Red 1 That post supports Shiva's LEGALIZE stance!! Most of the problems wouldn't exist if it was legal, and we are are talking about soft drugs, in particular ecstasy. [or I am] Let's face it alcohol had the same problems during prohibition :D When ecstasy was legal in the US there were over 11million doses taken and not one adverse event recorded. !!!

YES!!!!!!My sentiments exactly!!!!! :bow down::bow down::bow down::bow down:[/quote]

^ 100% That's why there are LOVE parades, where millions participate and nobody gets violent...

@ Red: Do you know how frustrated alcoholics are, have you any idea? Do you know what kinda struggle it is to be alcoholic? Having few doobs or popping an e from time to time has never caused frustrations as much as alcohol did, it's not even comparable! Also, you can't generalize the attitude towards soft drugs just by basing it on one person's bad experience he might have had with it...just look around you.

[quote=threehills;634533]In regards to the original topic of this thread....the mercuryserver chat room on Soulseek was gone, so I restarted it. Will try to be in there when online. Feel free to pop in and say hello[/quote]

^ Tnx, I will drop by, I just need to download soulseek and learn how to use it...

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

[quote=DIDI;634530]^^^^ Red 1 That post supports Shiva's LEGALIZE stance!! Most of the problems wouldn't exist if it was legal, and we are are talking about soft drugs, in particular ecstasy. [or I am] Let's face it alcohol had the same problems during prohibition :D When ecstasy was legal in the US there were over 11million doses taken and not one adverse event recorded. !!!

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look @ it in a different light...all those drug dealers...when its legalised where are they going to earn there cash ? in all probibilities they will turn to a different type of crime. and lol @ no adverse reactions to xtc recorded, so no 1 had a fit? no 1 10 years down the line went into depresion or something similar...the trouble with xtc and other soft drugs like that is that the damage is like slow death as it takes a while for the actual damage to reach enough potential to do actual damage to the body. legalisation doesnt work it only shifts the prpblem from one thing to another and of course you could then argue that if it was legal then it would be taxed and all those treetments could be paid for by tax and stuff like that....in all honesty...fuck that...the money is better spent...if you can make people happy then there is no need for people to escape life by getting high!!! its better to hit the problem @ ground level rather than deal with it @ the next stage because by the time it gets to the next stage ur in a situation where people have lost life or been mentally scarred......i,ve been there...its not a nice situation to be in and when people know that about you 9 times out of 10 they will use it against you to get what they want...that i cant stress enough.

think about what i just said and also the harder side of drugs....it hasnt even been considered in this discusion yet....its something u should think about

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[quote=Shiva;634539]

@ Red: Do you know how frustrated alcoholics are, have you any idea? Do you know what kinda struggle it is to be alcoholic? Having few doobs or popping an e from time to time has never caused frustrations as much as alcohol did, it's not even comparable! Also, you can't generalize the attitude towards soft drugs just by basing it on one person's bad experience he might have had with it...just look around you. [/quote]

my fathers a recovering alcoholic ( well i say recovering, he's not succeeding very well lol )....hey ..... boobs....best things on the planet lol i love them lol, but u then take it from a different light...there are 2 ways this can go, if u take the "rokking boobage" thread on this forum, now if all the guys on this board suddenly spent 99% of there time in that post the female memebers here would all start to call us perverts "call us sick" and other crazy things like that and of course if your in a relationship its a big no no to look @ someone elses breasts...for a guy its a loose loose situation..

if you go back to the drugs thing and the point u brought up there saying "you can't generalize the attitude towards soft drugs just by basing it on one person's bad experience he might have had with it" .... i.ve seen drug use go out of hand, i,ve had many of my freinds die from drug use, some went to prison....an old one even was shot in the back then they burned his body in a field just outside edinburgh ( wouldnt actually call him a freind tbh it was just a guy i knew back then )...3-4 of my freinds have died due to heroin use and guess what.....yup u got it....they all started on soft drugs and were regular users of soft drugs before going onto harder drugs...its the attitude that leeds people to try newer things which in itself is the biggest danger.. with most drugs you build a tollerance so everytime you take them you are trying to recreate that first fealing you got from the drug....this is where extacy falls flat on its feet. the drug scene in the UK is very different to most places as its a very very dirty scene, infact some people call it the drug dumpster of europe..no 1 thinks about what the drugs have been cut with or where the drugs has come from they just get them and start eating or smoking them which in turn leeds to other problems as the impurities are probibly more damaging to the body that the actual drugs are.

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...just legalize it and tax the crap out of it. I love me some drink and I'll be happy to pay the tacks on a blunt! :p

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take what i have just told you in previous posts then take into consideration a few things which go hand in hand with this story....i started to get ill around 2001 while i was still @ uni but i had a previous scare around 1992 when @ the time i'd been doing a few things i maybe of shouldnt...this is where the story starts getting completely fucked up... it was in 1992 when i worked in big market in glasgow selling copies of amiga games and around this time i was not only taking things i shouldnt of but i was also going to a few dance events or raves which were happeneing around that time...i didnt think anything of it @ the time but a big glasgow newspaper the evening times printed a story on what we were doing on that market stall at the time and my best freinds picture was printed on the front page, i just happened to be in another place @ the time in the market so i wasnt included in the picture...of course when your young the and stupid you pick up the paper and hang it on the wall with pride lol...a little while later, probibly in the same year, i,m not exactly sure of the correct timing me and another freind of mine went to a big rave which was going on about an hours drive from where we stay, it was only 2 of us that went and it was probibly the biggest event of this time that scotland had seen, the event passed without any hitches for us but the next day the same thing happened with the exact same newspaper....they printed a picture of my freind at this event with me just out of the camera view....thinking back now with what i know now it was just too much of a coincedence for it to just be a coincedence.... out of 20,000 people or so they just happened to print his picture on the front page when my other freinds picture had been printed also ?.... this is about to get really freeky here.....

while at college and uni i started to notice that a few things wernt right especially with certain music that i had created being erm how can i put this..."cloned"...by people if i told u exactly who u would consider me completely insane...and thats the catch...this is exactly what they want you to think....i,m probibly about to commit suicide by telling you guys this but in all honesty i think that was has happened in the past 10 years to me personally should be told so that it doesnt happen to other people...at uni a few strage things happened, my drink was spiked on 2 occasions and on one occasion i woke up with me feeling a little strange and again i really didnt think much about it @ the time as crazy as it seems...i had been using warez to get through my college and uni courses as everyone else was around that time, you cant afford to buy the programs they teach you so of course this is the easy option, its wrong yes i agree but this whole story kind of ties in with what i,ve previously told you about the market.

this is about to describe an illness and i still believe that this was actual reality and not my mind imagining things....certain people in a certain way have developed a way to fake an illness...i,m admiment on that and what they do is they create a story so unbelievable that if you tell someone about it then ur instantly catagorised as insane which is exactly what happened to me and when ur have that on your [U]record[/U] certain people will use that against you for life. like i previously mensioned i had some music taken from me in ways i cant describe fully as its taken years of thought to establish just an idea of how this was done as my computer i was writing on was not online or wasnt even connected to any external audio devices or anything like that...i went to the police who basically told me to goto computer crime squad unit in govan glasgow, i phoned them which and described my problem to them and after recording the phone call in which i admitted using cracked software they sent a couple of police officers out to my house, they more or less took one look @ me and thought i must of been crazy and left....its happened again, yes someone took more music ( some of which wasnt even recorded via midi or sampling ) and used it...it was really really fly how they done it and i was becoming very very stressed and it was showing in my body lanuage and every thing, to a medical person this is the first thing they will look @ when they are assessing you mentally, if your body lanuage is nervous then alarm bells will start ringing in there assesment...

it was at this point i just about had enough of this and got the idea well if the cops aint doing nothing about it then fuck it i,m going to the goverment which i did as the head of the scottish goverment at the time just happened to have his office at the end of my road...i went into his office over the period of 3-4 days and told his secratary my story, she wrote it down and i tried to supply them with 29 discs of evidence which i had previously burried...sounds strange yea well if you had been under the pressure that i had been then you would of seen that this would of been the best thing to do, i was begining to get so paranoid and was starting to believe i was being set up as a pedo or something, i wasnt going to let that happen to my family.

now think about the state of mind i would of been in at this point...it was at this point i started to notice that pictures in another big newspaper the daily record were similar to faces i'd seen before or had been part of my life previously...the fly bastards...i really hate the press more than i hate drugs and i think u can see why now as its still happening to this day, just a few weeks ago on ther front page a girl i met @ uni and was there when i was spiked had an exact lookalike picture printed on rthe front page and 2-3 days ago another image of how i remember my grandad...this goes back to the previous explination of a story which is so unbelievable that noone in there right mind would believe it....its like a certain establishment has developed a way to torture without breaking the law, i see it in the same light as subliminal messages in old rock songs...and yes torture is exactly how i would describe it .... [I]the press are complete [B][U]assholes[/U][/B][/I]they get away with murder, quite litterally, they use the fear factor in everything they do, they think they are so powerfull that they are untouchable...i think this was about lowering me into a state of thinking where i would make a mistake and look try to see something to them or something similar, its really hard to explain but when ur into a certain way of thinking certain noises around you become a hinderance or rather annoiance and of course this describes scytzophrenia....lets face it in society well british society i,m not exactly a perfect image of how they would like to percieve there country to be, an ex druggy with a skin head who has previous links to criminal activity and thats not including the fact that i like edm which is hated and i meen really hated by anyone over the age of 40 in this country because again those assholes the press have gave it such a bad image, it sells there product, its all about money and greed.

just after i went to the government about this i was so stressed that i was becoming exceptionally paranoid and had travelled to london a few times and by now i was thinking that everything around me had something to do with this and i meen everything, its quite possible if u take into consideration the above story....while in london in dec 2002 ( i think or could of been 2001 ) i was actually thinking that the only way to get away from ehll was too move to another country so after a few frighteneing experiences living rough on london streets for a few nights i jumped onto a plain and travelled to faro in portugal, when i got there i didnt really know what to do so i stayed in the airport @ first and after a day of living in the airport i noticed that someone who i had seen in london and had a particular "incident" with had travelled to faro also...freeky shit...now this person was in luton airport and had left the airport ( if i remember correctly ) the previous day to me travelling and now was in the same place as me in a foreign country....i found that scarily strange....

i travelled the short distance from the airport to the sea where i met a exceptionally kind irish guy who got in touch with one of his english freinds who happened to have an orange orchard and he said i could stay there for as long as i wanted just as long as i done some work around the place which was fine with me....i needed to get some internet access during my stay here so i visited a local library to go online i wont go into great details but everytime i used the pc i sat in the same place and on the last time i visited there was a sticker with gold hand writing saying "newer grounds"...while on the orange orchard i started noticing that " this unbelievable story" had followed me there and this quaint old english wasnt around @ all as he was staying with his girlfreind down by the sea...so why and bear with me on this one...why did he change the radio station everytime i turned it from the one that had been playing some of the stuff which was cloned back to the one which had been playing it ? ( if that makes sense ) espoecially when he'd only been visiting the orchard for @ most 5-10 minutes at a time @ this point ?...this is describing paranioa here which is exactly how someone wanted me to look...they made sure that every musical gene got a bit of me probibly in an attempt to show just what a force you would be dealing with if you chose to stand up and fight it.....rap, rock, brit pop, edm etc etc its like everywhere i took my ears it followed me...usually with all the people i had mensioned previously that i had a disliking to there style or whatever...i,m not going to comment on that any more.

anyway enough rambling....i,m off to listen to transitions vol 4 to relax a little ;)

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are you trying to top each post with a longer one ? from after hours MSN chats to reasons behind legalizing alcohol....wowza

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quality readings yall... as they say, strong swords are tempered in the pits'

..not gunna ever judge one passing thru the 'fires of suffering.'

imho. 'moderation is the discipine. being permastoned really sucks. alcoholism is as bad as smoking heroin, and pills are a bust regardless. meth is just stupid period. '

going cold turkey is hard but sober motion dominates all.

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you drinking on the job again ?

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nah. done with all that (no car keys and no cell really helped). now i gotta deal with the consequences in my character.

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Eh? :roll: After 4 pages and all that, and still no kinky webcam action? Come on!

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[quote=feather;634647]Eh? :roll: After 4 pages and all that, and still no kinky webcam action? Come on![/quote]

I'm ready!!! My cam is installed, but I guess I will have to wait for the last weekend of August to join you guys, coz this weekend I have 2 gigs (Sat16 & Sun17), and the next weekend I have the music festival (Fri 22) and the peace parade (Sat 23) :what So for me it's gone to 29/30 Aug to join in...:(

(maybe i'll make it for Sun 24, not sure, depends on how tired i will be)

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[QUOTE=red1;634570]look @ it in a different light...all those drug dealers...when its legalised where are they going to earn there cash ? in all probibilities they will turn to a different type of crime. and lol @ no adverse reactions to xtc recorded, so no 1 had a fit? no 1 10 years down the line went into depresion or something similar...the trouble with xtc and other soft drugs like that is that the damage is like slow death as it takes a while for the actual damage to reach enough potential to do actual damage to the body. legalisation doesnt work it only shifts the prpblem from one thing to another and of course you could then argue that if it was legal then it would be taxed and all those treetments could be paid for by tax and stuff like that....in all honesty...fuck that...the money is better spent...if you can make people happy then there is no need for people to escape life by getting high!!! its better to hit the problem @ ground level rather than deal with it @ the next stage because by the time it gets to the next stage ur in a situation where people have lost life or been mentally scarred......i,ve been there...its not a nice situation to be in and when people know that about you 9 times out of 10 they will use it against you to get what they want...that i cant stress enough.

think about what i just said and also the harder side of drugs....it hasnt even been considered in this discusion yet....its something u should think about[/QUOTE] Firstly neither shiva or myself were talking about the harder drugs, and I'm ONLY talking about mdma!You didn't read my post properly, I said WHEN IT WAS LEGAL IN THE US THERE WERE NO ADVERSE EVENTS. Well there doesn't seem to have been any ill effects from that era, and I have looked for reports. But of since it was made illegal they couldn't really do proper testing because most pills are not pure mdma anymore. For a brief time it was legal, manufactured in a proper factory with consistent dosage. Which is what happens when things are legal. :D

What will the crims do? That is a bad question :lol: I really didn't think we were into providing jobs for criminals:lol: Seriously , that is not a good reason to make things illegal.

Re damage it is well documented that mdma does not do anywhere near the damage that alcohol does. So if people switched to a LEGAL pill of mdma there would be less damage for taxpayers to pay for. There was a really great survey done in the UK which measured all drugs, both legal and illegal. for all harm including social. I tried to find a link but couldn't , will keep trying. This is from another article I found on another survey.

[SIZE="4"]"Under one possible ratings system, heroin, cocaine and barbiturates would be rated the most dangerous drugs. Alcohol (5th) and tobacco (9th) would be treated as more hazardous than cannabis (11th), LSD (14th) and ecstasy (18th)."

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In an ideal world the rest of what you say would be true. But it isn't an ideal world and the drug that both I and a lot of the experts consider one of the worst is perfectly legal. Hey, maybe those muslims are on the right track with banning alcohol.:)

How much drug talk can we do here??

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^ I am not that surprised of his opinion, after all he is Irish and whisky is their national product. A bit like Lebanon where grass "used" to be a national product... Somehow it becomes part of the local culture.

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Back on topic. Checking Hernan's spanish forum and if google translate is correct, someone suggested they do that with Metrodance shows. Choose a show and all play it at the time the metrodance shows were broadcast. They REALLY miss him :)

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[QUOTE=Shiva;635381]^ I am not that surprised of his opinion, after all he is Irish and whisky is their national product. A bit like Lebanon where grass "used" to be a national product... Somehow it becomes part of the local culture.[/QUOTE] I thought he was scottish ?? Still neither are known for the teetotalism are they :lol:

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We should just have a thread or proper discussion on this, I'm confused 'cos I'm reading pretty much the same anti-drug thing between this thread and the salvia thread :lol: Not even sure what thread I'm in anymore. :what

Hmmm I'll start one up. :lol:

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Yesterday my hubby and I tried the new webcam with some friends from around the world. We managed to get through to Europe & Middle-East but didnt manage to open a video connection with the US... :what

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[quote=DIDI;635358]Firstly neither shiva or myself were talking about the harder drugs, and I'm ONLY talking about mdma!You didn't read my post properly, I said WHEN IT WAS LEGAL IN THE US THERE WERE NO ADVERSE EVENTS. Well there doesn't seem to have been any ill effects from that era, and I have looked for reports. But of since it was made illegal they couldn't really do proper testing because most pills are not pure mdma anymore. For a brief time it was legal, manufactured in a proper factory with consistent dosage. Which is what happens when things are legal. :D

What will the crims do? That is a bad question :lol: I really didn't think we were into providing jobs for criminals:lol: Seriously , that is not a good reason to make things illegal.

Re damage it is well documented that mdma does not do anywhere near the damage that alcohol does. So if people switched to a LEGAL pill of mdma there would be less damage for taxpayers to pay for. There was a really great survey done in the UK which measured all drugs, both legal and illegal. for all harm including social. I tried to find a link but couldn't , will keep trying. This is from another article I found on another survey.

[SIZE=4]"Under one possible ratings system, heroin, cocaine and barbiturates would be rated the most dangerous drugs. Alcohol (5th) and tobacco (9th) would be treated as more hazardous than cannabis (11th), LSD (14th) and ecstasy (18th)."[/SIZE]

In an ideal world the rest of what you say would be true. But it isn't an ideal world and the drug that both I and a lot of the experts consider one of the worst is perfectly legal. Hey, maybe those muslims are on the right track with banning alcohol.:)

How much drug talk can we do here??[/quote]

lol yes drugs like that are less harmfull because people in effect have to take less to get the effect needed to stay happilly high for a certain amount of time rather than drinking a beer getting a high from it and feeling like another beer and so on... people dont consider it to be as harmfull becaus eof the pshycology of it being legal...that will pass down the line if drugs go the same route.....with weeds its different because u can smoke it all day everyday....the trouble with beer is that ones you start you cant finish untill u fall asleep lol, weeds is the exact same...drugs are not legal possibly due to this generalisation attitude whihch everyone has to getting "high"....do you think the athorities havnt learned any lessons by the legalisation of alcohol, just stop and think about that for a second...i,ve seen people in this country take that attitude with drugs...the general attitude over here with the young ones is that " i can handle more drugs than you can!! "

i,m so convinced that that exact same attitude towards things that are legal would be carried down the line if the drugs you are talking about were to be legalised...in some ways its quite a clever thing that these drugs are illegal because when u have to go buy them from someone u have to think about where they came from or who ur buying them from and of course in the uk there is no way of testing these drugs so they are infact the most un pure drugs on the planet...even if they were the purist drugs on earth you still have to consider who's supplying them, in my time i,ve known some seriously shadey people....you wouldnt normally hang around with people with connections to mafia or something similar unless you had that attitude where fear would be your number one weapon would you ? ...think about that 1 and dont say well if it were legal you would just have to pop into your local supermarket and job done u go home with a smile on your face..i,m sick of hearing that argument because i know for a fact that it is wrong....people say drugs are healthier but if u take drug abuse into consideration and i,m talking all drugs here including tobacco and alcohol you will see that over the years more and more people have developed a "overuse" attitude towards that...i ,ve already explained why this has happened previously.

[quote=Shiva;635381]^ I am not that surprised of his opinion, after all he is Irish and whisky is their national product. A bit like Lebanon where grass "used" to be a national product... Somehow it becomes part of the local culture.[/quote]

lol shiva believe me here when i say no 1 likes getting stoned more than me on this forum. i love it, i just cant deal with the adverse reactions my body has when i smoke it.. i used to smoke all the time and when u stop u miss it soooooo much....i dont go out much i admit that and its possibly due to the fact that when i do i,m usually around people who smoke it....for a person like myself who has had "problems" with it in the past its difficult to be around people who still take it....when i smoke something inside me "switches" on especially when i,m being creative...thats the hardest cycle to break is trying to be just as creative while high on life rather than high on drugs.

oh and 1 other thing .... i,m scottish lol...our whiskey is worse ;) ... and i hate the stuff...infact i hate getting drunk @ all but its about the only thing i can do in this country that is legal!

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^^^These aren't available in the UK.?? btw You are still not reading what I'm saying :) Legal means controlled everything!!

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for me a drug is bad when its addictive, when change your way of thinking in order to harm yourself or other people and when eventually it will make harm to your body! i dont think anyone here beleives that alcohol doesnt belong to all three above! so it doesnt mean because its legal that it wont mess u up! as i said before LIMIT IS THE KEY, and if all hippies in '60 had put a limit on lsd now it mite had been legal:|. i have a documentary for heroin, cocaine, lsd, mdma,alcohol, weed and tobbaco which says when they were invented,when introdused to every society and when made illegal. apparenly it says that in US when they discovered heroin from morphine, they used to give it to alcoholics prescribed, to detox them. it says "it was better for the society at this time to have some peaceful men(from heroin use), rather than having their wives with black eyes!!:shock: sad but true. i still got the doc. if anyone interested, i can upload it!

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Hey man, thing here is, that's your experience. Maybe you're adverse to weed and your body overreacts to it or has a genetic propensity that succumbs to it.

Just as you and others have paid for their drug usage, there are others who are totally functional and have not suffered and in some cases, benefited from it.

So you can't look at your one man's experience or those of your immediate social circle, and then decide it's bad, and go on and turn into some anti-drug evangelist.

I've been taking shit for 8-10yrs now, from weed to e to k to coke to shrooms to lsd to ghb to speed to ice, and more often than not it's a cocktail of anything and everything.

And I drink and I smoke. Now all things considered, I probably would prefer not to have picked up smoking and drinking, and stick to shrooms or acid if they're legalised. I mean, what do you or most people get out of alcohol besides using it as a social lubricant or picking up? How many people do you know get into drunken brawls? How many do you know get into an e-induced fight? And what do we get out of cigs?

On a personal level, and with friends, I've certainly gotten more out of MDMA and acid. Stuff like MDMA was used for therapy, GHB is used for insomnia, you can get weed these days for medicinal reasons. Think about it.

And I started listening to electronic music around 97, so I can safely say I got into the whole edm/drug culture before I discovered drugs. Back then, it was never about going out on a weekend and trying to outdo each other with how fucked you can get. We went out for good music, and had maybe 1 or 2 pills the night, to supplement the experience. It's not a competition to get wasted, and it certainly wasn't a race to fuck up our lives.

But I've never reached the point you seem to have, and I've never felt like my life is fucked or my brain is fucked and I certainly don't feel the need to be so polarised about this drug issue.

All I can say is, be it your fucked up addiction or dependancy or neurosis or paranoia or creativity, everything has always been there. The drugs amplify what's there. I don't for one second believe you need that shit to be creative. Just as if you're insecure or neurotic, a night of drinking will give you a next day worth of regrets and embarrassment.

I'm not a drug apologist, but everything in its right place in the right amount, you know your body and your mind best. If you put yourself on the precipice with weed, you got yourself there to begin with, the weed only tipped you over the edge.

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bravo feather.... well said....

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^ Yep, I second that. i liked the way he summed the whole thing up...

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[quote=feather;635430]Hey man, thing here is, that's your experience. Maybe you're adverse to weed and your body overreacts to it or has a genetic propensity that succumbs to it.

Just as you and others have paid for their drug usage, there are others who are totally functional and have not suffered and in some cases, benefited from it.

So you can't look at your one man's experience or those of your immediate social circle, and then decide it's bad, and go on and turn into some anti-drug evangelist.[/quote]

agreed but i see more of the bad sides of the drug experiences than you will probibly due to the fact that i,ve had that experience myself and also my dad works in mental health...i,m not condeming you guys as such...tbh its cutting me up just having to argue my point here...you have absolutley no idea what it is like telling people about this on a personal note, 9 times out of 10 people will use the knoledge that u,ve been ill before and use it against you....what i,m trying to do is more or less give an insite to exactly where a life like that can leed 2.

[quote] I've been taking shit for 8-10yrs now, from weed to e to k to coke to shrooms to lsd to ghb to speed to ice, and more often than not it's a cocktail of anything and everything.

And I drink and I smoke. Now all things considered, I probably would prefer not to have picked up smoking and drinking, and stick to shrooms or acid if they're legalised. I mean, what do you or most people get out of alcohol besides using it as a social lubricant or picking up? How many people do you know get into drunken brawls? How many do you know get into an e-induced fight? And what do we get out of cigs?

On a personal level, and with friends, I've certainly gotten more out of MDMA and acid. Stuff like MDMA was used for therapy, GHB is used for insomnia, you can get weed these days for medicinal reasons. Think about it.[/quote]

ok if mdma was soooo successfull in treating depression as it was used for in the states then why was it also banned as a medical treetment? stop and think about it for a second...if there was so many medical benifits from such drugs as u put it then why are they not used by pharmaceutical companies today as medical treetments? its not as if they cant recreate synthetic clones of the chemicals found in these drugs to make it in effect legal. [quote] And I started listening to electronic music around 97, so I can safely say I got into the whole edm/drug culture before I discovered drugs. Back then, it was never about going out on a weekend and trying to outdo each other with how fucked you can get. We went out for good music, and had maybe 1 or 2 pills the night, to supplement the experience. It's not a competition to get wasted, and it certainly wasn't a race to fuck up our lives.

But I've never reached the point you seem to have, and I've never felt like my life is fucked or my brain is fucked and I certainly don't feel the need to be so polarised about this drug issue.

[/quote]

97? u said u had only been taking drugs for 8-10 years and u then said u got into the whole edm/drug culture, this is 2008!!!! my brains fucked ? :lol: ( i,m only joking on that 1 feather that wasnt an attack lol )......i hate the fact that edm and drug culture were even put together, its basic knoledge that all the drugs used in the "edm" culture as u so put it were around long before acid house was on the scene or even further back than acid house even before disco where xtc and cocaine were popular.. you guys in the states are far more educated when it comes to things like that but for a young kid growing up in a situiation where all his/her peers are using drugs only leeds to 90% of that area taking drugs themselves and of course as the population increases so does the problems that arise from drug related incidents and i,m talking about everything when it comes to that..surely even u can see that...take a look at your local ghetto's ( if thats the correct term to use ).

[quote]I'm not a drug apologist, but everything in its right place in the right amount, you know your body and your mind best. If you put yourself on the precipice with weed, you got yourself there to begin with, the weed only tipped you over the edge.[/quote]

just think about what i said earlier about the drug companies, they dont use these as medical told because they do more harm than good and yes thats even in small amounts, the answers to all the problems with drugs have been all around you in edm for years and no 1 noticed.

[quote] All I can say is, be it your fucked up addiction or dependancy or neurosis or paranoia or creativity, everything has always been there. The drugs amplify what's there. I don't for one second believe you need that shit to be creative. Just as if you're insecure or neurotic, a night of drinking will give you a next day worth of regrets and embarrassment.[/quote]

i never really had an adiction as such but your probibly right i did have a dependancy on it all at one point, there is a difference, a huge difference, i loved getting high...so what!! i,m not paranoid and if i seem that way maybe i have my reasons, i dont use drugs for creativity as u so put it NOW but getting into creativity and taking drugs was a dangerous route as when u do that the 2 go hand in hand especially when u get that high of both drugs and the fealing of euphoria when u create something that your proud of, you have to think brain chemistry here which u already have by saying " The drugs amplify what's there " which is 100% correct...breaking that amplification is harder than you could ever imagine.

these drugs are about chemical overload feather, even in small doses...thats why they are illegal

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^ I just love this guy:

[url]http://shivadeejay.com/media/others/Bill_Hicks_Drugs.mp3[/url]

^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

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[quote=Shiva;635506]^ I just love this guy:

[URL]http://shivadeejay.com/media/others/Bill_Hicks_Drugs.mp3[/URL]

^ :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]

lmao

thats todays pop music explained in 1 foul swoop, probibly why they like to take it from people who do do drugs lol

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^ I thought you were from Ireland (all that IRA and stuff)... :lol:

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[quote=Shiva;635525]^ I thought you were from Ireland (all that IRA and stuff)... :lol:[/quote]

no lol

i,m from the uk

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Actually I was originally from Singapore but living in Australia now, so you all know what SG is like. It's difficult for me to give a definite time when I started with the drugs 'cos there were early dalliances with weed, it's not like I decided alright, I'm gonna go full on and fuck myself up :lol:

This will sound like apologist talk, but IMO 'health' is seldom the priority when it comes to drug legislation, be it contraband or pharms. There's so much other shit involved like politics, money, pharm companies lobbying ...

It's not just contraband man. I'm quite into working out and nutrition, and you read stuff like the deal with aspartame or even the whole traditional food pyramid and why grains feature so dominantly in it.

Anyway! ;)

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[quote=feather;635708]Actually I was originally from Singapore but living in Australia now, so you all know what SG is like. It's difficult for me to give a definite time when I started with the drugs 'cos there were early dalliances with weed, it's not like I decided alright, I'm gonna go full on and fuck myself up :lol:

This will sound like apologist talk, but IMO 'health' is seldom the priority when it comes to drug legislation, be it contraband or pharms. There's so much other shit involved like politics, money, pharm companies lobbying ...

It's not just contraband man. I'm quite into working out and nutrition, and you read stuff like the deal with aspartame or even the whole traditional food pyramid and why grains feature so dominantly in it.

Anyway! ;)[/quote]

hey, i,m an [U][B]ex[/B][/U] drug user...i,m not the anti satan drug preacherman you guys seen to be makign me out to be. infact i see it as helping you people see things the sensible way, ok i,m only 32 but i have seen things in the drug scene that most of you have heard about etc but then again i,m forgetting you are from america and u guys have things like the bronx and stuff but over here things are mostly run by intimidators and other things like that, i,ve known guys over here who have had connections in ny with mafia and allsorts, so i wont go there, over here its different, peoples attitude are still way back in the 1640's because the older generation have forgot what its like to be young and most of them dont understand that things move on and usually get "bigger and louder" if i can use that term....most of them grew up in an age where it was the british way or no way @ all, everything wasnt as world wide as everything is today... everyone over here see's places like the bronx and ur ghettos as a future for this place and are doing everything they can to stop it from happeneing......on this note i totaslly agree because the generalisation of things that happen over here is that were usually about 10-15 years behind the american way of life...things are very different over here with regards to quality, even our food.

some people over here dont understand that creating stress to drug users only makes the users then turn to drugs again to get away from the stress....its all phsycology....the things is that now the dealers have applied the same tactics when selling there product....right from an early age people over here were taught a buissness approach to everything we did...it only lead to complete havoc when the drug scene became larger than anything people ever imagined...it was big before we grew up but the thing is that now people are more open about it and more and more people are trying to beat the system....in 1985 if you got caught with 2 kilo of cocaine you would of spent a full 25 years in jail, a few years ago a guy i know was caught with 2 kilo and got 6 years and he's probibly got about another 6 months to a year left to go on his sentace before he goes up for parole and gets out in 3 years, its crazy but thats just how expensive things have become when it comes to dealing with criminals by putting them in a jail...so now most people have turned to fighting the problem themselves but they dont look at what causes people to take drugs in the first place because they grew up in an alcohol driven society.

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i,m thinking maybe i,ve said enough when it comes to my fealings on this, i have an open mind when it comes to things like this, i hate alcohol more than the whole of this board combined and doubled but i still have a little drink now and again because its the only things i can do over here thats controlled and i live in a society that treets alcohol and a socially acceptable thing, you feel odd or out of place going out in town around here and not sitting in a bar with freinds drinking alcohol. watching my dad drunk is the most disgusting and horrible thing i,ve ever seen in my entire life and i,ve had to endure that for as long as i can remember and he had the cheek to condem me for my drug use...... taking the drugs scene to a controlled legal level as u guys would like it is deffinately not the answer....

think about how advanced the drugs scene has become in recent years with people who have scientific ability.......its big bucks..........i,ll finish up with 2 words......

[B]crack cocaine[/B]

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[QUOTE=spyros;635428]for me a drug is bad when its addictive, when change your way of thinking in order to harm yourself or other people and when eventually it will make harm to your body! i dont think anyone here beleives that alcohol doesnt belong to all three above! so it doesnt mean because its legal that it wont mess u up! as i said before LIMIT IS THE KEY, and if all hippies in '60 had put a limit on lsd now it mite had been legal:|. i have a documentary for heroin, cocaine, lsd, mdma,alcohol, weed and tobbaco which says when they were invented,when introdused to every society and when made illegal. apparenly it says that in US when they discovered heroin from morphine, they used to give it to alcoholics prescribed, to detox them. it says "it was better for the society at this time to have some peaceful men(from heroin use), rather than having their wives with black eyes!!:shock: sad but true. i still got the doc. if anyone interested, i can upload it![/QUOTE] Certainly interested!! :D

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Red, it's really good getting your insight from a personal viewpoint ,and a lot of what you are saying is really important, it helps people to understand! But, a lot of your information re the drugs , laws etc. are just plain wrong. Mdma is not addictive , you don't have to take more and more to get an effect! It is being used in America for medical purposes [to treat post traumatic stress disorder.]

Well, I guess Feather answered my question about drug discussion :lol: Good one :D

Maybe we need a separate thread for this discussion!

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[quote=DIDI;635745]Red, it's really good getting your insight from a personal viewpoint ,and a lot of what you are saying is really important, it helps people to understand! But, a lot of your information re the drugs , laws etc. are just plain wrong. Mdma is not addictive , you don't have to take more and more to get an effect! It is being used in America for medical purposes [to treat post traumatic stress disorder.]

Well, I guess Feather answered my question about drug discussion :lol: Good one :D

Maybe we need a separate thread for this discussion![/quote]

lol i didnt say mdma was addictive, quite the contrary actually, mdma is one of those drugs where the first high is the most important day of ur life so you want to go back to it time and time again, i see it like old men and women longing to be young again, doesnt matter how hard you try you can never get there, thats why its such a tempting drug...the first time i took it it was instant love, i'd never felt so complete in my entire life, something about that feeling and me ( then ) just was so right but then i was young and didnt really consider the full consiquencies of my actions then. i,ll be honest here and i,m serious...i'd rather feel that fealing one time again than i would have a fresh superbabe everynight for the rest of my life. its a very very very dangerous substance because it floods brain recepters with the chemical seratonin, those receptors get used to having that amount of seratonin flowing to them and it they dont get that flow you become depressed...what do u think a comedown is ? it also damages the cells ability to regenerate and ones those cells are gone they are gone forever and ur left with scar tissue, do u have any scars on ur body ? well ever wondered why they dont dissapeer when they are healed over ? the cells inside your body have the same make up as the cells on the outside and the same thing happens. how do u treet seratonin depletion? yea u have to input pills that do more or less the same thing as what xtc does and of course it all starts over again...anti depresants only make the problem worse because they do what xtc does but at a much slower pace and with less damage but that doesnt mean to say that they fix you.

one thing i havnt mensioned and i think now would be a good time to bring this up is the fact that for younger kids in there teens its probibly easier to get a hold of some illegal substance than it would be to get alcohol now the problem with that is that internal organs that are there to cope with toxins in your body havnt fully developed at that age and of course putting excess stress on these organs only causes them to develope less efficiantly than a normal organ would even @ this stage and of course if the user then continues to put stress on these organs they will never really fully develope as the body intended.

everyone see's cannabis as a safe drug because its easy to control ur actions while under the effects of it but what u cant control is how your body is dealing with the toxins produced/injested into your body while under the influence and beyond. smoke destroys skin cells @ a rapid pace and hinders your bodies ability to keep the elasticity of collagen ( if shiva would be so kind to get her camera out and go and photograph and older lebanese hashish smoker i think that will give you a good example of what i meen ) and thats not even considering what its doing to your liver,kidneys and lungs... the perfect way to describe it would be to take eating as an example...if ur hungry and you keep eating untill ur full your stomach will send a signal to your brain which will tell you mentally that ur full so u stop eating....when u injest drugs you get high but the thing is that thats your body telling you that this is too much because you are being flooded with chemicals and your liver cant cope with the imediate rush so u become intoxicated, when u drink alcohol why do you get drunk ? have you ever considered that ? u start to feel the effects of alcohol when ur liver cant cope with the toxicity of the amount of alcohol consumed..its the same thing with drugs but the difference with alcohol is that you have a certain dose and you have the choice of being able to control your input.

u get a pill....you rush to the night club....stick it down ur pants so the bouncer doesnt find it.....get in the club, big grin on your face...get some water...get the pill and put it in your mouth and swallow...an hour later you start to feel the effects of it but can you really say exactly what was in that pill OR can you really say you knew exactly how strong that pill was ? oh so now ur thinking well i,m a smart bastard i got the kit that tested my pill and i know exctly how much mdma is in my pill and i know its pure...thats the biggest pile of complete shite i,ve ever heard in my entire life lol thats like making an omlette and asking yourself is the yellow part of the egg ( yes the yolk before u think my brains fucked again :lol: ) is evenly spread all the way through the circumerance of your omlette...sounds kinda a strange way to describe it but think about how they test pills....they break a bit off the end and dip it in a chemical and ur left with 98% of the pill in your hand and u think its safe because the liquid turned that colour to say it was all good!! wheather it be 1 mg or 10000 mg of substance in that pill just taking a small part of the pill and testing it doesnt really give an exact description of exactly what is the complete content of the whole pill...go back to the omlette...if u dont wisk it correctly then ur left with white and yellow parts, if u whisk it fine then ur left with a yellow omlette....now think about the greed of a mass producer of drugs and the risks he/she knows he's taking when it comes to producing that drug...lets face it the likelyhood here is that your going to end up with a white and yellow omlette, you just dont know.

dont just sit here and talk shit about drugs etc actually take a look around you and read from time to time

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-aminobutyric_acid"]gaba [/URL], no not the hardcore gene.....u think someone was trying to tell the younger kids about what they were doing ?

start to look closer and what u will find will leave you in complete awe :)

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^^^ I guarantee I both look around me and read far more about these issues than you do Red! I could provide links to all the information [nformation not shit:)] I have put here except that there is very little likehood of you actually going to them and learning something that might contradict you :lol:

Ok one last try.:D [COLOR="Red"]mdma is one of those drugs where the first high is the most important day of ur life so you want to go back to it time and time again,[/COLOR] that is the one of the recognized description of an addictive drug. You can definitely relive that first time with mdma though :D

Anti depressants have far more effect on your brain behavior than mdma. In fact i went on antidressants a couple of years ago and was pretty non functional for six months. Replacing serotonin can be done with food, Bananas and milk are a good source of tryptophan

A lot of us don't regard weed as a safe drug, on the contrary, it have been proved to have mental health issues.

People that use test kits Know it won't tell you the strength of the pill . All it does is tell you if there are other substances besides mdma. It's purely a safety issue . You don't think they stir when they make the mix. :lol: It would be impossible to take any part of a pill which wasn't representative of the whole pill.

Now I'm going to take myself over to the other thread :lol: It's definitely more appropriate for this discussion! :D

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yea lol maybe one of us should pm shiva and tell her to rename the thread to "reds arguing with everyone about drugs"

and ur right inti depressants knock the living shit out of u for a very very long time

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But anything can become addicive. It's a matter of psychological or physiological addiction. Pasta can become addictive. I read couple of months back about this woman who was hooked on (IIRC) 8L of Coke a day.

Everyday around the world, people drink a cup of coffee for a wake up jolt. And people do get addicted to caffeine as well.

It's as basic as checking the road before you cross it, or puttng on the belt when you get into a car. Or taking a break from MDMA to rest the brain, making sure you supplement with 5-HTP. It's no different from say, taking magnesium for muscle cramps or St John's Wort for stress or guranna for focus. These all affect the neural system of your body.

What I (and we) are trying to say is, drugs, pharms or contrband, are no different. You want to do something, find out what you're doing, do it, take whatever precautions, it's your responsibility to look after yourself.

Would you bungee jump without checking or ensuring the ropes are secure? Would you bungee jump every day of your life to the point you can't walk straight and see straight?

So if it comes down to alcohol vs mdma vs weed vs nicotine, there're heaps of studies that confirm the harmful effects of the legal drugs.

Yet when it comes to stuff like MDMA, you'll find scant studies because of its legal status.

Which is why legalisation is important. Legalisation solves the issue of quality, it allows for the drugs to be studied.

My point is, a substance's legality does not automatically mean it will kill you or fuck up your life. Legality is all politics.

A lot of your beef with drugs seem to stem from their effects or side effects or the culture that people get into when they consumer drugs. Stuff like chasing the high, getting involved with shady characters, going to jail, getting addicted.

But let's see what happens if we made Coke or pasta or caffeine or alcohol or nicotine illegal the next day. Same shit.

I agree that weed, MDMA, etc are gateway drugs which can lead on to other shit. Hey I've done my share but it's never occurred to me to shoot up or do H, it's completely out of the picture because it's just doesn't 'exist' in the way I live.

You can't just say because someone does weed, he'll automatically go on to do H and then go on to live on the streets and offer blowjobs for some smack. Like someone who buys a lottery ticket, you don't assume he'll go on to gamble his life and owe big money and kill himself.

The drugs are there, but it's often the circumstances in a person's life or his social environment that contributes to the bulk of the fuck up.