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that's harsh. i'm sorry to hear that. i can understand your viewpoint and respect the fact that you realize that something you enjoy is something that you can not live with, as well as actually have the fortitude to stay away from it. i've dealt with addictions before, it's no walk in the park; the actual detox period is a nightmare, so i understand.

with the amount of stress from work and personal shit that goes on in everyone's life, it's nice to know you have a bowl of some dro waiting at home. it levels me out and make me not be an asshole. i couldn't have any friends if i didn't smoke anymore, everyone would point and laugh at me. "look at him not being cool and smoking pot like the rest of us", they would say. please don't make me lose my friends.

all joking aside, much respect for your viewpoint. i'm sure i'll quit smoking at some point, but right now is not the time.

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smoking is not the worst anyway.. alcohol is much worse but noone seems to understund that! limit is the key to everything! as for salvia its not something you will do all the time. its like trips. once in a while!;)

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[quote=rainman;634527]

with the amount of stress from work and personal shit that goes on in everyone's life, it's nice to know you have a bowl of some dro waiting at home. it levels me out and make me not be an asshole. i couldn't have any friends if i didn't smoke anymore, everyone would point and laugh at me. "look at him not being cool and smoking pot like the rest of us", they would say. please don't make me lose my friends. .[/quote]

see that was my exact way of thinking then but u have to change that thought and fast or before u know whats happening it will all catch up on you. think about it...you could be in a position to do ur freinds a favour by telling them just about the real dangers of it...maybe you will loose out temp but in the long run you will gain

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[quote=red1;634305]idiotwid....

trust me rainman weed is just as bad if not worse, i used to do weed all the time also so u get used to having certain chemicals running through ur body which only really becomes apparent just how used to it ur body becomes when u finally stop it and of course thats even before u consider the fact that you usually smoke it to get a high, i love being high on weed but i cant live with it in my life because i ended up in hospital due to over use...drugs that alter my brain chemistry are something i cant do any more even though when i,m high on weed i have so much concentration and ability creativly..this part of it cuts me up everytime i see someone smoke it because i,ve been off weed since 2002 and still to this day i have cravings especially when i sit down @ my pc and try to be musically creative...everytime i do this its as if something is missing so the feeling just isnt right and its taking years and years to get over it, i,m still struggling with it....last christmas i did 3 grams over the space of a week..as soon as i took my first hit from a joint i instantly felt switched on...its hard to describe, something just happens in my head. now instead of getting high all the time i just end up eating and eating and eating to the point where i cant eat no more which makes me depressed and i end up just sitting on this all day everyday for as long as i can....if your wise you would wrong that bag of green in the bin.[/quote]

Mate it sounds like you needs to talk to someone, seriously. Transferring one addiction to another is a recipe for long lasting suffering... :(

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^Yeah, come on mate. :)

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Mate, u taking the piss outta my mate? A mate has gotta look out for his mates or he wuldnt be a mate at all... :p

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its fucking shit, for pussys.

if you want a real trip get some philosophers truffles, and get back to me!

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Hmmm I've taken my fair share of shit and I still do the occasional bender, but I don't feel it's fucked me up or anything. There's probably some side effects but whatever they are, I think the drugs amplify them rather than create them.

In hindsight, sure I'd take it easy, but I remember going through a tough period 6yrs ago and got messed up enough that I had a small breakdown which I got out of, and I'd honestly say it's been good for me after I 'put' myself back together.

When you guys relate your experiences with drugs, how many of you research them properly or take any kind of precautions? I mean, anything in excess is bad.

And if you want to talk about altering brain chemistry, the way I see it, life IS a brain-altering experience. Think about all the 'legal' shit you consume, like alcohol, cigs, and even the food. Why do you think women get into comfort-eating? I've seen men who're high-flyers at work succumb to it as well.

When you think about it, everything you consume IS brain-altering. What do you think coffee or red bull does? :lol:

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[quote=AndyH;634643]Mate, u taking the piss outta my mate? A mate has gotta look out for his mates or he wuldnt be a mate at all... :p[/quote]

:lol::lol:

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[quote=ger stokes;634649]its fucking shit, for pussys.

if you want a real trip get some philosophers truffles, and get back to me![/quote]

Nice mate, v constructive. If you knew anything then you would know that philosophers stones/truffles are the mildest form of mushrooms and are what the Smart shops in Amsterdam recommend for noobs. If you watch the you tube vids you will see that Salvia is far far more intense than the mild trip that truffles/philosophers stones give. :roll:

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DMT > Salvia > LSD/shrooms > every other recreational drug.

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Salvia is intense. But, you have to do it right to get these intense results...

1. Use a torch, not a lighter, for hottest temp flame.
2. Use a water pipe/bong
3. Take huge rip, hold for 20 seconds, exhale, repeat once.
4. Sit back and freak out.

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[quote=AndyH;634676]Nice mate, v constructive. If you knew anything then you would know that philosophers stones/truffles are the mildest form of mushrooms and are what the Smart shops in Amsterdam recommend for noobs. If you watch the you tube vids you will see that Salvia is far far more intense than the mild trip that truffles/philosophers stones give. :roll:[/quote]

shrooms are now banned/illegal in holland if i,m correct

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[quote=AndyH;634612]Mate it sounds like you needs to talk to someone, seriously. Transferring one addiction to another is a recipe for long lasting suffering... :([/quote]

i,m trying to show u lot that this is the future for drug users.

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[quote=AndyH;634676]Nice mate, v constructive. If you knew anything then you would know that philosophers stones/truffles are the mildest form of mushrooms and are what the Smart shops in Amsterdam recommend for noobs. If you watch the you tube vids you will see that Salvia is far far more intense than the mild trip that truffles/philosophers stones give. :roll:[/quote]

erm, i dont think so man. there are far more weaker shrooms out there than the Psilocybe Tampanensis truffles. truffles are in the mid-range trip bracket, and it all depends on how many grams you take of them.

whats mild about being fucked off your face for 6 hours on truffles or smoking that poxy shit and hoping for a buzz for ten mins?

i know what id prefer.

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[quote=ger stokes;634649]its fucking shit, for pussys.

if you want a real trip get some philosophers truffles, and get back to me![/quote]

get ahold of some dmt and get back to me, that is if the dmt gnomes let you come back to reality.

:lol:

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[quote=ger stokes;634700]erm, i dont think so man. there are far more weaker shrooms out there than the Psilocybe Tampanensis truffles. truffles are in the mid-range trip bracket, and it all depends on how many grams you take of them.

whats mild about being fucked off your face for 6 hours on truffles or smoking that poxy shit and hoping for a buzz for ten mins?

i know what id prefer.[/quote]

6 hours lol

i'd actually preffer the shorter approach, your body has less toxins to deal with even though the effect is less...think about why you are high for 10 minutes on one and 6 hours on another....but i guess that could also be due to amount consumed

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[quote=red1;634689]shrooms are now banned/illegal in holland if i,m correct[/quote]

Yah thats right, only in the last couple of months. So they 'used' to recommend them for noobs...

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[quote=red1;634692]i,m trying to show u lot that this is the future for drug users.[/quote]

And I was trying to help if you have tranferred your weed addiction to a food disorder..

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All these drugs are for pussies you pussies...if you need drugs to get high you need your head examined as you clearly take way to many drugs

Life is the true freak-out foray...get high on that, yeah

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Man, there are a LOT of holier than thou "only i know the right way to live life" posts in this thread. :Middlefi:

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[quote=AndyH;634715]And I was trying to help if you have tranferred your weed addiction to a food disorder..[/quote]

lol u could call it that, i havnt smoked weed on a regular basis since 2001-2002 and if i,ve smoked it since then its been very very small amounts, its quite scary actually...i was witha freind one time and he sparked up a joint and i asked for a little puff and i took only one drag and imediately i "switched" me on, scary stuff, i wouldnt say i had afood dissorder lol i would put it down to somthing else ;)

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[quote=TheMightyGreg;634719]All these drugs are for pussies you pussies...if you need drugs to get high you need your head examined as you clearly take way to many drugs

Life is the true freak-out foray...get high on that, yeah[/quote]

Says mr great idea at 3.30am on Sat night..:D

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[quote=red1;634305] now instead of getting high all the time i just end up eating and eating and eating to the point where i cant eat no more which makes me depressed and i end up just sitting on this all day everyday for as long as i can....[/quote]

:(

Im not trying to be a smart ass or sticking my nose in or anything mate. Thank the psychology degree! :roll: lol

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[quote=AndyH;634752]:(

Im not trying to be a smart ass or sticking my nose in or anything mate. Thank the psychology degree! :roll: lol[/quote]

lol andy its fine, i,ve done this before.

i had a doc appointment today but i missed it by 15 mins so i go on thurs.

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shrooms are not banned in holland,i was over there a few months ago and they had them in all the shops.

plus i just got some delivered to me this morning from there.

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[quote=red1;634755]lol andy its fine, i,ve done this before.

[/quote] :Cheerz:

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[quote=ger stokes;634775]shrooms are not banned in holland,i was over there a few months ago and they had them in all the shops.

plus i just got some delivered to me this morning from there.[/quote]

i think u better google that 1 and quick :lol:

apparently a belgiun went a bit mental on them and jumped to his/her death and that was the last straw

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[quote=red1;634789]i think u better google that 1 and quick :lol:

apparently a belgiun in red shorts went a bit mental on them and jumped to his/her death and that was the last straw[/quote]

Kinky..? :what

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[quote=ger stokes;634775]shrooms are not banned in holland,i was over there a few months ago and they had them in all the shops.

plus i just got some delivered to me this morning from there.[/quote]

shrooms are banned in Holland mate! just do a search on google and youll see. of course there mite be a couple of shops who sell them online but that doesnt mean that they are legal too..

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[quote=AndyH;634791]Kinky..? :what[/quote]

only if ur wifes offering :lol:

and its free ;)

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[quote=red1;634796]only if ur wifes offering :lol:

and its free ;)[/quote]

lol, wtf happened to kinky?

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[quote=rainman;634840]lol, wtf happened to kinky?[/quote]

loved up with his woman as far as i know, she moved from her country to stay with him in belgium so i guess those 2 are finally getting some quality blow up rubber suit time :lol:

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[quote=Jenks;634741]Man, there are a LOT of holier than thou "only i know the right way to live life" posts in this thread. :Middlefi:[/quote]

amen. making sweeping generalizations is generally never a good idea. especially with regards to this.

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A small percentage of the worlds population should not smoke (or tamper with any sort of potentially hallucinogenic drug really) because some people have a strong susceptibility to serious mental illness. If you repeatedly have bad effects from marijuana like being socially withdrawn or paranoid you should definitely kick it and all other drugs and never go back, because it is highly likely that you are one of those people. Once you start having bad effects from weed, they will never go away unless you stop totally, and they will come back immediatly if you start again. A very very large percentage people with schizophrenia have developed it, or developed it further from smoking, and it is worrying that that is not widely known (at least here in the uk). I think that its because most people aren't so susceptible at all and can safely smoke for life.

I should add however that if you think you are one of those people and you do stop, you'll be fine - its the combo of drug and gene, having the gene might actually be related to more creative thinking etc.

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^Interesting, never heard that before, but I guess it's like any drug allergy.

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sounds a bit to wacked.....

Loss of physical coordination Uncontrollable laughter Visual alterations or visions Experiencing multiple realities A contemplative sense of peace Sense of profound understanding Dream-like veneer over the world Sense of total confusion or madness Seeing or becoming part of a tunnel Loss of sense of awareness as an individual Experiencing a "non-Euclidean" geometry Sense of flying, floating, twisting, or turning Feeling of being immersed in an energy field Feeling of being connected to a larger "whole" Feeling of being underground or underwater Appearing to travel to other places and/or times Becoming inanimate objects (a wall, stairs, a couch, etc.) Viewing patterns or shapes that are tube-like, snake-like, or worm-like

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwH1AvKtdcw[/youtube]

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Guy tries to make peanut butter and jelly sandwich on salvia...Classic.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVJFiZ4WvHw[/YOUTUBE]

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[quote=lilsensa;635254]Guy tries to make peanut butter and jelly sandwich on salvia...Classic.

[youtube]FVJFiZ4WvHw[/youtube][/quote]

love the helmet cam