ok, take it easy on the new person, but i am just curious since i dont know but how does Sasha (or anyone else who uses it) incorporate LIVE into his sets.. is it like Final Scratch? is everything pre programmed? are they full tracks in the program OR has every track been cut up into many loops?

Please educate.... (and is this thread even in the right section) :unsure:

It's basicly a program that lets you 'Remix on the fly'

It's not like FS in the way you mix the records together physically. It's all done on the screen of the laptop your using.

In the program you can do a hell of alot to the track that you are playing (like has been already mentioned in the other thread - looping)

Your actually editing/remixing the track as your playing it.

And all the tracks are .wav files on the computer.

So all you need to bring to the gig is the laptop. And that is what is so appealing to alot of the DJ's who are taking this up.

Hope that explains enough. :D

would definately be cool to play around with, gives so many options. will vinyl soon be a thing of the past?

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

Thank u for the response,

so i can throw in 2 different tracks in the program and the program will mix them for me? at which point within the program i can manipulate which parts of the tracks i want to make longer or cut out? and i am guessing i can have more than 2 tracks going? so basically, u use no cd players no turntables just a laptop?

also, what section is the other thread that u mentioned?

Thanks again for ure help, it sounds interesting. :Smiling:

[quote=peloquin";p="67473]would definately be cool to play around with, gives so many options. will vinyl soon be a thing of the past?[/quote]

i dont know if it will completely die, but u cant ignore all this new technology, embracing it i believe is the future.

also, Richie Hawtin does a lot of cool stuff, which i know nothing about but i wish i did... so anybody?

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

[url]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5917[/url]

You read it already you plonker :wink: :D

You can have 10 tracks going at one time if you wish. Its actually a sequencer so the possibilities are endless. You could for instance have a track playing, and put samples over the top while the next track is being mixed in. And that track thats being mixed in could also have an effect going ontop of it (Reverb for example)

Does it mix it for you? not as such. More that you place the next track in the right place for the program to play it for you. You have to go through all your tracks beforehand and make them the same tempo, so they can be mixed into each other (this is the only pain with the program)

You can edit the track whenever you wish to, while its playing or before it's playing. You could also be editing the next 3-4 tracks from the one that's currently playing as well.

And no. No CD players or Turntables are needed.

I've only ever done one chilled out mix on it before, I really want to get into it more. It is certainly the future.

And i'm saying that with 6000 Records sitting in my bedroom. :lol:

Hawtin is still using final scratch I think, using 2 computers though. He has HIS OWN VERSION of an Allen & Heath mixer...

That guy is amazing.

[img]http://www.residentadvisor.net/photos/all04102r2r/IMGP1767.jpg[/img]

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

the only problem i have with embracing this new technology is the fact that it COSTS money. alot of money especially on my salary. :( Hawtin has 2 laptops in that photo and who knows how many other gadgets=$$$$$ 2 pionner cdj's/dvj's or whatever = $$$$

I dont mean to sound like a whiny bitch because i know a lot of people in the world have a lot more problems than i do.

but in the DJ WORLD to sound new and exciting it seems that u need the latest stuff. I have heard from many people that just seeing a guy "spinning records" is "boring".

just writing all of this i have realized that i NEED TO GET ANOTHER JOB. Faak! :Down:

spinning records is boring? Dont think so at all.

Your right about the technology though. It's expensive. But worth it.

I think the basic requirements now for somebody who REALLY wants to get on in music is CD decks at least. With digital DL's you can get the best music really easy these days. Dont be sad about it because it's possible to find so much more great music now that everythings gone digital.

You need to start saving mrs! :lol:

Oh by the way. Check your PM's in a couple of mins. ok

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

finding the music is great i must admit... i spent 100$ CDN on Beatport the other week and i cant even remember how many records i bought where as before i would have bought maybe 6 or 7 vinyl records on that budget.

:Bingo: =digital downloads (legit)

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

info on final scratch from [url=http://www.finalscratch.com/fs4/loadNews.asp?article=3]here[/url]

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

I saw Sasha play last Friday and I saw him still using CDs.

As for being a "bedroom dj", I find it easier still to get the best music on vinyl. I've tried digital downloads, but usually I see the things I want on vinyl first.

And yes, it's very expensive for this new equipment. However, if I could digitial download everything I wanted then that would be much cheaper than buying vinyl then I could justify buying the CDJs.

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

Have to agree re: CDJ's. Most of the digital downloads offered are of unsigned tracks or tracks that have been released for a while so that vinyl sales are not hurt.

as great as ableton is, i still cant stand the thought of someone not actually required to put the effort into MIXING.

maybe thats just me...

[quote=day_for_night";p="67551]as great as ableton is, i still cant stand the thought of someone not actually required to put the effort into MIXING.

maybe thats just me...[/quote]

Agreed. Mixing is what helps make a dj who he is and track slection as well. But djs that can mix to ones that can't is a big difference. This program pretty put everyone on the same playing field for the most part. You don't have to be able to mix just pick good records. Which sucks. I have worked hard to try to mix tracks and other stuff.

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

i can see it now my bedroom setup will have to consist of : 2 Techniks 1200 2 Pioneer CDj 1000/ hell, why not maybe the dvj's i can do visuals on my wall :Smiling: 1 pioneer 600 mixer 1 pioneer efx 500 OR i hear the 1000 is coming out soon. 1 laptop(preferably MAc) to run Live OR Final Scratch.

AND a whole bunch of accessories that i dont even know much about yet... cycloops, etc. I saw Zabiela a couple of weeks ago and he had added another peice of equipment to his setup, i asked a friend what it was but i cant remember right now, i think it was somekind of sampler that was fairly inexpensive, and i dont think it was cycloops??? :?:

well, atleast i have the tables and the mixer for now.

but using ableton, cdjs, final scratch, or whatever will seperate the dj's that can just play good records, to the ones that have the ingenuity to sample and remix on the fly. i mean, i love mixing vinyl, but once the beats are matched, there isnt much to do, maybe if you have a good mixer and can run some effects and what not. but with 1200's, cdj's and a good mixer, the possibilities are endless.

[quote=unome";p="67671]but using ableton, cdjs, final scratch, or whatever will seperate the dj's that can just play good records, to the ones that have the ingenuity to sample and remix on the fly. i mean, i love mixing vinyl, but once the beats are matched, there isnt much to do, maybe if you have a good mixer and can run some effects and what not. but with 1200's, cdj's and a good mixer, the possibilities are endless.[/quote]

:RockOn:

[quote=unome";p="67671] i mean, i love mixing vinyl, but once the beats are matched, there isnt much to do,[/quote]

Dude....there is plenty to do....ya gotta FUCK THAT SHIT UP! :RockOn: :evil: :twisted:

I am all for the new tech...gonna buy Ableton Live software soon, I hope.

But don't diss th old skool skillz

wickety wickety ch ch choon ch ching

[quote=DJ4";p="67947][quote=unome";p="67671] i mean, i love mixing vinyl, but once the beats are matched, there isnt much to do,[/quote]

Dude....there is plenty to do....ya gotta FUCK THAT SHIT UP! :RockOn: :evil: :twisted:

I am all for the new tech...gonna buy Ableton Live software soon, I hope.

But don't diss th old skool skillz

wickety wickety ch ch choon ch ching[/quote]

not dissing anything mate.. but my point is with the new technology in conjunction with the old school vinyl decks, you can just take it that much further. :D

don just quote part of my post you BASTARD! lol :lol:

[quote=day_for_night";p="67551]as great as ableton is, i still cant stand the thought of someone not actually required to put the effort into MIXING.

maybe thats just me...[/quote]

you've obviously not heard a proper Live PA then.

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

personally seeing someone sit in front of a lap top and point and click for a few hours is just totally uninspiring and seems very impersonal. while i dont doubt the potential of things like ableton, im not interested what so ever in seeing a dj live that strictly uses his laptop. mix cd's and comps are obviously a different animal.

am i the last of dying breed who swears by vinyl?

^^^^ if you read the rest of the threads i think you would see that no you are not, lol

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

^^well thats comforting ^^

easy man - it seems i dont have as much time as others to read the board as much as i might like to. :roll:

[quote=Jenks";p="67998][quote=day_for_night";p="67551]as great as ableton is, i still cant stand the thought of someone not actually required to put the effort into MIXING.

maybe thats just me...[/quote]

you've obviously not heard a proper Live PA then.[/quote]

i certainly have. its just the dj in me that cant stand ableton...i do realize it can be used to do some impressive things.

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

I own Alberton and its soooo easy to use, i also cut parts of tracks using sound forge and then mix them all together to make some very nice sounds

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

[quote=3d_1200";p="68012]im not interested what so ever in seeing a dj live that strictly uses his laptop[/quote]

Well, it of course depends on whether you want to see a dj or hear a dj... :lol: Watching somebody sitting behind a comp is not interesting, I agree, but if the music is so good you get lost in it, you don't waste your time watching what the dj does. :roll:

Re: Sasha + Ableton Live

New technology, like Ableton, should free up a DJs time for edits on the fly, FX, loops from many records etc. If they're just using it so they can get extra trashed it's not so good.

Technology can get a bit much sometimes - Eric Morillo doing a filter sweep on his Kaoss pad every couple of minutes, just because he can rather than because it sounds good.

Personally, I can't see the big DJs sticking with vinyl for that much longer. It's too heavy and baggage handlers can't resist the sight of an international DJ's tunes passing them by.

cheers, RH