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sound / effect processors

31 durable postsStarted 2007-03-20Latest 2007-05-04
#39389Post 1 of 31

Well, I did do a search and it was very limited. Mostly about mixers.

I have a Xone 62, 2 turntables and 2 cdj 800mkII's. The Filter on the 62 is great but that's pretty much it. 3 different type of filters, I usually use only 1.

I think its time to go in a lil' deeper in creating effects for my mixes just to add a little "zest" to them.

So the Question!! What, in your opinions, are the best (not necessarily expensive), easiest (not too lame) effects equipment out there? Based on experience would be best.

I looked at the Pioneer efx 500 ? and an Allen & Heath Xone: VF-1 Sound processor.
Im a big time NoOb at these things, so Im not sure about that A&H one..

Any input would be greatly appreciated!!!!!!!

my $$$$ limit is between $600 - $700.

:D

#829350Post 2 of 31

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if you have not used them b4, and money is a factor, go grab a KAOS pad, they are pretty good when you are learning, but watch the levels big time. better when u use 2 (one per CDJ, before mixer) or 1 used after mixer. i have one lying around, but i prefer to let teh music talk and mix fluidly.

#829512Post 3 of 31

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I've heard of the Kaos pad from a while ago. Forgot about that one...thanks man, I'll look it up and see what it has to offer.

;)

#829532Post 4 of 31

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Yeah they just came out with the KP3 and it has auto sync on it unlike like it's predecessors. I have the KP2 and the xone 62 and it they're pretty fun to mess around with. But like Sightless said, watch the levels. Theres a video floating around on here of trentmoeller at the Turnmills using the Kp2 as a midi/keyborad controller, it's pretty awesome. It's only 300 bucks. The Kp3 is $400 if I'm not mistaken. The only thing is if you're already willing to spend $700 take a look at the pioneer EFX 500.

#829799Post 5 of 31

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[URL]http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-PIO-EFX1000.html[/URL]

i have used that in the past, and its GODLY. but a pain to learn, and expensive. but goddamn, its sick. multiple effects enabled, with the ability to adjust them a lot.

#829856Post 6 of 31

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I'd try to find a used EFX-1000 if you can for your price range. But you could definitely get the EFX-500 which Zabiela was using for years before they made the upgrade.

#829863Post 7 of 31

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cheers guys! good info!

#829910Post 8 of 31

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I have the 500, I recommend it...

#829963Post 9 of 31

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Imeant to put the efx1000 not the 500 on my previous post. oops. either way you can get the 1000 for around $700

#829977Post 10 of 31

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screw using all that other crap, by yourself a flight rack and fill it with outboard efx units like a delay, echo, and multi layer filter. the quality will be far superior than that of the efx1000.

example

[IMG]http://www.idnmusic.com/studio/fxrack3.jpg[/IMG]

just my two tenths of a nickle.

#830216Post 11 of 31

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jeezus that's just too much right there. I barly have enough space for a small chair to fit my ass on my desk.

The Kaos pad thing looks um too playful. I dont think I wanna be messing around that much on certain tracks. Looks fun though.

Im looking for something.. I guess kinda like the knobs on my Xone (filters) that would create some changes or moods on tracks.

I kinda like the Pioneer thing and I might go for the cheaper one (500).

#830327Post 12 of 31

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you can buy single pieces of outboard gear such as a filter. back when sasha still played records i saw him tweaking a rack mount filter during his set, far better than the Xone even.

#830589Post 13 of 31

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[quote=Jibgolly;464240] example

[IMG]http://www.idnmusic.com/studio/fxrack3.jpg[/IMG] just my two tenths of a nickle.[/quote]

I'd shy away from using that amplifier though. I don't like Alesis amps. As they clip way too easily.

#830801Post 14 of 31

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that was just a pic i found in a yahoo search to use as an example.

#831024Post 15 of 31

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i kinda figured you did bro. it's kinda funny, that guy has a lot of money into the processors in that rack, then he's got a shit Alesis amplifier. EEEK

#832722Post 16 of 31

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Anyone know if there is a major difference in the Pioneer EFX-500 and the 500-R?

I think all it has are more features but not sure if it's even worth it. Can't really find any available anyway :roll: I like the color though. :lol:

#832909Post 17 of 31

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[quote=BureOne;467242]Anyone know if there is a major difference in the Pioneer EFX-500 and the 500-R?

I think all it has are more features but not sure if it's even worth it. Can't really find any available anyway :roll: I like the color though. :lol:[/quote] Just the color, thats it! There are no extra features! 500 & 500R are exactly the same.

#832912Post 18 of 31

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[quote=Jibgolly;464240]screw using all that other crap, by yourself a flight rack and fill it with outboard efx units like a delay, echo, and multi layer filter. the quality will be far superior than that of the efx1000.

example

[IMG]http://www.idnmusic.com/studio/fxrack3.jpg[/IMG]

just my two tenths of a nickle.[/quote] Steve, now why are you trying to confuse the boy! BureOne, Jibbers may have a point about the sound quality but sometimes I think he is starting to look more and more like his avatar! Lay off the smoke dude!

#833130Post 19 of 31

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^ :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks man

#833239Post 20 of 31

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[quote=BureOne;463538] I looked at the Pioneer efx 500 ? and an Allen & Heath Xone: VF-1 Sound processor.
I[/quote]

The Allen & Heath VF-1 would be pretty useless to you considering it's just a filter unit ... the X:ONE62 does a fine job of that already!

#833256Post 21 of 31

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I?ve got my sights set on a 2nd hand Kaoss Pad 2, it?s in perfect shape and the guy?s selling it for 200 bucks! 8)

#833263Post 22 of 31

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[quote=davenixdorf;467811]The Allen & Heath VF-1 would be pretty useless to you considering it's just a filter unit ... the X:ONE62 does a fine job of that already![/quote]

Yeah I figured that after reading about it more thouroghly. Plus it did not look something that would have been compatible to my set up.

The Kaos pad is pretty bad ass, it's just too busy for me I guess. Too much action going on with it :lol:

Still, I wonder if Guitar center has them put out on display for sampling...

#836125Post 23 of 31

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They usually do. don't forgett to check out the KP3. It's the newst on they have, and it has auto beat sensing, so you don't have to tap. I think i already put that ,but oh well.

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As you move your finger across the touchpad and find that “sweet spot”, pressing the Hold button will lock the settings, so you can take your hand away to do other things. The LED grid on the touchpad will show the held location, so you can pick up where you left off without any “jumps”. Better yet, Pad Motion can memorize and repeat a fluid or complex gesture played on the pad. Once again, the new pad lighting system enhancements can actually display the Pad Motion pattern as it plays.

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#836170Post 24 of 31

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looks very interesting!

#837909Post 25 of 31

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I was at Sam Ash earlier today and picked up the Pioneer DJM 400 (which I must say is lots of fun.) But, I was looking at that KP3 and it sounded awsome. The features looked to be more user friendly than the KP2. Nice peice!

#837985Post 26 of 31

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I can't wait to hear your full on review on the 400 Ken. As soon as I saw they made that, I wanted one myself. For some reason they put full kills in the eq on the 400 but not the 800. Weird.

#838098Post 27 of 31

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^ My friend just purchased the djm400 as well. He also got himselft 2 cdj 800 mkII's. I cant wait to go out to his place and test out that mixer and it's eq kills.

#838225Post 28 of 31

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i honestly don't wanna play on a mixer that doesn't have full kills on the EQ anymore. It makes mixing so much cooler, as you can really do some serious on the fly re-editing work, fully take out the bass and let one track hover over the other that has all it's sound coming out...it's awesome.

#838309Post 29 of 31

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I will be sure to give you guys a full up review in a couple of days! And yes the EQ kills kick ass!;)

#838346Post 30 of 31

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I knew it!:D

#855557Post 31 of 31

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[URL="http://youtube.com/results?search_query=kaos+pad+3&search=Search"]kp3 @ youtube[/URL]

:)

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