Just curious to get peoples' thoughts on all things related to track selection... Do you have any semblance of a method you use in your approach? How long do you spend working on your sets before you release them? What's the longest time you've spent on a demo? How does your approach to track selection translate from a planned out demo mix to a live on-the-fly mix?

Given that I have limited time these days and that I'm a perfectionist, I like to devote my time to well thought out demos.... 1.5 months in, and I've got about 5 tracks pieced together for my upcoming demo. My method is pretty painstaking, and I will sometimes shelve a series of tracks for a mix until I find the one or two more records that really make it come together. No formula beyond that, just have to hear it a bunch of times and see if it moves me or if I get bored with it...

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Well Im also a perfectionist. Things must flow and that takes time to piece together tracks that compliment each other. And even with 2 or 3 months time you don't always get want you want.

If I devote myself to a set, it's usually a 2 month period (Sometimes it can be about 4) You can pick out tracks that might sound like if they go, but mixing them is different and I sometimes find out that they're horrible together.

It takes some rearranging, removing, adding and creative transitioning of tracks during a test recording. I find it really frustrating when wanting to make something good by doing all the above and I have to just stop and continue another day.

When I mix "on the fly" it usually turns out being dope; but those are the ones I don't record. :lol: I think its the fact you know your not recording, so there is no pressure of doing anything great, and those usually turn out very good.

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I always record...that way i don't feel any pressure (well I feel less than I used to)

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[quote=Miroslav;449046]Just curious to get peoples' thoughts on all things related to track selection... Do you have any semblance of a method you use in your approach? How long do you spend working on your sets before you release them? What's the longest time you've spent on a demo? How does your approach to track selection translate from a planned out demo mix to a live on-the-fly mix?

Given that I have limited time these days and that I'm a perfectionist, I like to devote my time to well thought out demos.... 1.5 months in, and I've got about 5 tracks pieced together for my upcoming demo. My method is pretty painstaking, and I will sometimes shelve a series of tracks for a mix until I find the one or two more records that really make it come together. No formula beyond that, just have to hear it a bunch of times and see if it moves me or if I get bored with it...[/quote]

i think your approach is pointless ( not wanting to sound cheeky )

say someone likes ur demo and ur suddenly flung into having to perform live ? imo u have to be able to listen out for the things that make tracks go together so that u can spontaniously mix those tracks when and where ever u need to do so and also if ur out on the road all the time and u are getting new tracks all the time ( promo's ) you are not going to be able to find the time to listen to those tracks much so imo again u have to be able to listen out for the things that make tracks flow together

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Red1's got the point here.

whenever I want to mix a 'promo', I just practice playing records for a couple of days, then, when I feel it's 'that time', I pres 'REC' and let it flow, just like I would do in front of people

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I usually choose the mood i want for a specific demo,browse quickly through a couple hundred(maybe thousands..:p )tracks,choose the ones i want and put them together....it's a fairly quick process.... The most time i spend is on audiostores choosing and rechoosing the tracks i want...

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it's just about creating a good feel. i usually put about three types/styles of house in my sets....electro...prog...and tribal.

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IMO a demo should be an accurate representation of how you spin live. If you spend weeks or months planning a single hour set, how are you going to be able to rock a club for 4 hours?

It was said above, i think the best way to do it is to record everything. I record myself everytime i hit the decks and then i listen back to it the next day in the car, or at the gym, or at the office. this gives me the ability to critique myself. sometimes a mix that sounded great when you did it won't be as good when you listen to it. and vice versa, ive listened to plenty of mixes that i thought i trainwrecked at the time, but weren't too bad on the second time around.

as far as planning a set, you've gotta be able to wing it. you;ve gotta be able to play from the gut. you've gotta be able to read your audience and play what they want to hear. and to do that you have to know your tracks. you have to know your break points and know what tracks work with what.

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Neat posts...

For me, there are two kinds of ways of DJing.

One is a very intricate process where you invest a lot of time in developing just the right flow of tracks in the right sequence...records, adjust, re-layer tracks, etc. Obviously not conducive to a club, great for personal enjoyment or in putting out a really polished mix just from a listening perspective.

The other is the more spontaneous kind that many of you are referring to. Getting a feel for your records and just going at it without a lot of planning. Obviously key if you're going to be a DJ who gets gigs and plays out, and if you're making a demo to hand out.

I really disagree that one is pointless relative to the other; I think that takes a rather biased and narrow view of the art - understandably so, since many people who DJ are very caught up in trying to play out, etc. I think it depends on what your objective is with the art. I've done both, and there are things to be learned from both that can be cross-applied as well.. Maybe someday soon I'll get back into playing out, and I'll gear up again on my more spontaneous playing. But with my time limited these days, I'm not playing out anymore like I used to...I find that I get a lot of artistic satisfaction out of really scripting out some mixes, exploring things out to their fullest, and capturing them on CD. It's therapeutic for me.

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i just like to play. altho i should get back to recording everything cuz its the best practice to listen n learn from mistakes. u dont become the best at something by not doing something a lot.

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I could never allow myself months to create a set. For me, new sets are usually inspired by new tracks and new combinations that I can create with those tracks. If I were to spend 2, 3, or even 4 months to develop a set I would have a hard time finishing it because I'd keep adding tracks and changing it around every time a new track was released that I like. In other words, I try and not create sets in which all of the music is 4+ months old.

I have an excel sheet with the tracks from all of my CDs and and records on it which I update every time I purchase new music. Whenever I do purchase new music I'm always playing it, learning it, and mixing it with other records I have. When I feel that two tracks really compliment each other I will make a note of it on my track list. After finding several possibilities for a number of new tracks I will just keep these combinations in mind when I am mixing on the fly. Once I have a few days of practice with mixing these tracks I will spend a few hours every day trying to perfectly mix the set I have briefly outlined in my head and on paper. This whole process probably takes a week or two before I am satisfied.

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I just play, what comes out is what you get. If I make an error I do it again until I get it right. I've been doing it that way for probably the last 16 years. That way there is no deviation between "Live" and "Planned". But I will say that I like to play tracks that I have never heard, it keeps me on my toes and helps me concentrate more, plus you get to know the tracks a lot better because of the concentration factor. Old Skool is different though, I go with how my mood is at the time.

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if i want to rec a demo, i just put what im lisening right now...im mean style, is it dark?, is it housey?..is it proggy?.....

and for doing it live, i just get to the flow for the ppl...thinking how they are...maybe they are drunk maybe they are on E or something like that....the ppl demands!...i just put music the best way i can...

and for recording a demo, the longest time i have put in one, maybe 1 month, not more.....

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Depends on the mix, my Nocturnes mixes each took more then a month to compile but I also do a lot of mixes where I spend maybe 2 hours selecting the tracks and then do the mix with one take to have some sort of a live-mood to it.

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there are different stuff taken into consideration when you do a mix and when you do a life performance.. the spectators are not the same... normaly on a live performance you got a much higher number or people that might not even know about electronic music but they go their to take their 'pils'. One does a good promo mix to be called by the promoters... that the only thing that they care about is that you get lots of people into the club and make them happy so they come back. Its not easy to do a good promo ... but no way you can related to a live performance.. they are two completely different stuff... A good promo mix if you know your tracks shouldnt take much more than a week.... the mixing its easy .. you just need to get to know your tracks.

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Some people tag their rec's with keys ......it's nice way to build up your set if you know how to place your keys harmonically but it takes hrs to sort them....i just pick 10 rec's that imo sound good together and try and mix them..most cases i have to record it 2 times not more to get it right otherwise i use different tracks to match .....when i t comes to live then you have to know alll your records off by heart in n out :)i wouldn't risk playin live w.out knowing my tracks...

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if you've got a good ear, you can always tell when something doesn't sound right. But considering that when you are spinning, you are pretty much only mixing the first 30 and last 30 seconds of a song, then the keys don't really matter all that much because all you're really mixing is drums.

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some good tips in here.

I just recently got a dj settup back up and running after about 4 years of no dj'ing on a regular basis and its nice to be able to record again. I don't really have a set proceedure for making track selections, i just go with my instinct about what tracks sounds good together and what tracks can build the mix up to a certain mood. Its hard to rationalize this process, as i just use my senses.

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Just record everytime...As for mixing "in key"...It's like Jeffrey said, you know when something doesn't sound right..You either hear it or you don't...If the track doesn't sound right, don't mix it...

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^^^^^^^

True that ........I think Anthony Pappa used the key thing a lot ...

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sometimes a good key change, so long as it isnt god awful, is a good attention getter

as for mixing the 1st and last 30 seconds.. uhh, what?

I'm typically in the mix for a good minute or more, somtimes in the middle of a track, thru a break down, etc..

but i agree with the other comments, mixing in key can get really monotonous and predictable, throw a curve in there, and when you know your music (which in this day and age of mp3's and WAY TOO MUCH music at our fingertips makes that a bit more difficult) it will come a lot easier

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[B]Most[/B] dj's that are out there these days mix within the first minute and the last minute. where there is mostly drums on the track.

I too mix not the same way all the time. It depends on how I am feeling at the time. I'm not trying to pick on you steve, leaping you in with all the other dj's out there...I am making a generalization.

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not at all mate i gotcha, i was surprised to read that coming from you thats all.. being a dj/producer yourself..i understand there are a lot of those "juke box" dj's out there.

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usually choose the mood and creat

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mixed in key also works like a charm.

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^^^ just another lazy dj tool

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^^Amen to that! Fuck all this mixed in key computer music tool nonsense...Like I said earlier or maybe in another post, you either have it or you don't (An ear for music that is)...If you don't have it and have to use tools like mixed in key to "help" you dj, maybe you are in it for the wrong reasons(Trying too hard, for some cause/personal gratification)....I'm no Digweed or whatever, but I love music, and feel like I have some sense of what works together...Never in my mind would I use a "mixed in key" type software..I don't think anyone who loves music or is in it for the love of music, would "cheat" like that...Or would they?? Anyway, that program is a cheat.

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well said mate

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^^^ as I've said before, pretty soon with all this advanced technology around we'll get to the perfect, most efficient state where the system takes care of all the DJing and we can go do something else with our time :lol:

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^hahah....i have kind of built up a hate-on for abelton live just because it is taking the mixing out of dj'ing. its too easy.

Aleks_B

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id rather have some help from technology and take advantage of it than denying the present.

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yeah, i embrace technology, but i still believe that mixing a set with abelton is cheating. it requires no skill and makes a mockery of real deejays who actually mix their tracks by ear, instead of an auto-mix function!

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^^^^^^^^^^^ True that

And then the sound is more pragmatic and more powerfull~`

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just my 0.02 on soft and that "mixed in key" application:

I believe it's OK to use software applications such as traktor or ableton to do your thing (although no real beatmatching with ableton) but "mixed in key" is the worst cheat you can use when DJing. it completely takes the human input out of the equation ... I mean, before, careful track selection was what would make a DJ stand out and now you just need to load that app to you comp, let it do its thing and voila - you've got all it takes to build a perfect set, despite the fact you can be as deaf as a bat. I'd rather spend years constantly trying to improve my "ear" than use "mixed in key" ...

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^^ ableton, traktorr, mixed in key and every software "kills" the spirit you are talking about in the same way. Anyway this discussion ends nowhere so better if ended here.

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[quote=ganjamo;575416]^^ ableton, traktorr, mixed in key and every software "kills" the spirit you are talking about in the same way. [B]Anyway this discussion ends nowhere so better if ended here[/B].[/quote]

well then, its been said, mods lock the thread, lol

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No i wanna argue about it some more.

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I generally put a whole bunch of names of tracks on a dart board and just start hurlin' darts at them. whatever i hit is what i play next. takin' a page from the felix da housecat school of dj'ing...

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pretty much the same here.. just go thru me cd case and start playing, you will come up with some of the best mixes/transitions that way.. that you would never have thought of before

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^^I just keep going through tracks in the headphones while I listen through the monitors, and I don't stop going through tracks until I find something that remotely sounds like it will go with the previous track...I never know what I will play next...Most of the time, I don't even know the name of the tracks that I'm going to play...I just listen....

Can someone explain how mixed in key works? I mean, does the software know chord progression or how does it all work? I mean, obviously it can tell which tracks are in what key and tell you how to arrange them by musical scale, but I don't think I understand how it could play "in key" without a "surprise" as to which key the next track will be in...Know what I mean? I mean, it can always help you mix "in key" but can it skip a key and play the next tune that would be in that scale? I don't know how else to explain this.........