Re: James Holden - The Idiots Are Winning

i dunno. i had to TRY to get into this. and i am huge Holden fan. normally it is just hit play and off i go. but this I was fighting with. his other productions have been ace. all of them. but this just was a cheap rip off and toss out.

"let me buy what you have" and I will sell it for millions. i am bummed.

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[quote=The One;399212]I'd just like to add this isnt his artist album. It's an EP with a bunch of tools, hence why it probably comes across as rather disjointed to most of you that are treating it like an album. As for a real artist album - that comes next year..[/quote]

so how is track 8 a tool?

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[quote=asdf_admin;399855]i dunno. i had to TRY to get into this. and i am huge Holden fan. normally it is just hit play and off i go. but this I was fighting with. his other productions have been ace. all of them. but this just was a cheap rip off and toss out.

"let me buy what you have" and I will sell it for millions. i am bummed.[/quote]

Well put sir. Looks like a lot of others feel the same.

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[quote=Lorn;400063]Well put sir. Looks like a lot of others feel the same.[/quote]

Yes, well put. Sometimes I think we get caught up in forcing ourselves to enjoy music that we honestly don't really like. Holden is a great example of that because there are so many people out there that love some of his earlier stuff and really want to like what he's doing now, but just can't get into it. I might fall into that category, though there is some stuff he does nowadays that I do enjoy. I did think that "10101" and "Idiot" were good, but the rest of the album is blah IMO.

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At least you are willing to give it a listen. If it wasn't Holden or some other producer we all liked this cd wouldn't get the time of day.

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i've said it before and i will say it again. holden is king. he rarely has a set that i get sick of after hearing it two times.

i think it might be time for another electro thread?

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[quote=unrecogniseduser;400057]so how is track 8 a tool?[/quote]

Silence is definitely a tool.

Much like negative space in design.

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[quote=daveman;400227]i've said it before and i will say it again. holden is king. he rarely has a set that i get sick of after hearing it two times.

i think it might be time for another electro thread?[/quote]

That?s right.

I mean, my brain must be more fried that I thought, because I like the album, but whatever you think of this record, as a DJ, Holden is awesome, I?ll never forget the destruction he layed on the dancefloor at Lux here in Lisbon a few weeks ago. It?s like a black hole swallowing a rainbow, if that actually was possible.

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[quote=palmer;400278]Silence is definitely a tool.

Much like negative space in design.[/quote]

i get that Palmer :roll: however, why include a track of silence on an album (or collection of tools). Surely anyone that wants to use it can do it without his masterpiece :?:

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ps. i actually quite liked the cd

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[QUOTE=The One;399212]I'd just like to add this isnt his artist album. It's an EP with a bunch of tools, hence why it probably comes across as rather disjointed to most of you that are treating it like an album. As for a real artist album - that comes next year..[/QUOTE]

thanks for the info. that clears a lot up for me.

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[quote=Hos;400786]thanks for the info. that clears a lot up for me.[/quote]

Sorry man, but this IS the album it´s no EP.

Anyway, final word : the funny thing is that James Holden has consistently pushed the envelope and done his own thing, received criticism for it, until eventually everyone wants a piece of him. How many dance producers can remix Madonna or Britney and not be called "sellouts"? How many DJ´s have created their own label and got a type of music named after that same label? You have to respect a guy who is as young as he is and manages to do whatever the hell he wants and has people tripping over themselves to follow his footsteps.

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"Boldly going where no man has gone before" is a double-edged sword :roll:

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the faact that you didn't like the cd doesnt mean it is bad...its a different sound from mr holden.. for it was amazing...so strange...sounds soo crazy

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as for me, i luv it, great music from a great guy. the thing with the silence i rather wack, but who cares, i just skip it.

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I think this lp is absolutely mint, top notch stuff imo.