mi espanol es mierda, así que continuaré en ingles. se puso por favor la política de discurso

what are the media views in south america on hugo chavez, obviously they are skewed here in new york. so i wanted to ask those in the local region. we have no need to address any policy or speeches. i just wanted to know what the general views are. i.e. does the south american media view him in a positive or negative light?

again, i dont want to have arguements, just learn some facts i dont have access to in NYC, and cant read b/c my spanish is terrible.

usted puede contestar a mí vía a PM en ingles

gracias!

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[quote=thesightless;377905]mi espanol es mierda, así que continuaré en ingles. se puso por favor la política de discurso

what are the media views in south america on hugo chavez, obviously they are skewed here in new york. so i wanted to ask those in the local region. we have no need to address any policy or speeches. i just wanted to know what the general views are. i.e. does the south american media view him in a positive or negative light?

again, i dont want to have arguements, just learn some facts i dont have access to in NYC, and cant read b/c my spanish is terrible.

usted puede contestar a mí vía a PM en ingles

gracias![/quote]

hi!

interesting matter...

his attack today on UN was very interesting.. his constructive criticism i thought brought up very good points.. he made a strong point today on the UN's authority to VETO..and the ridiculous influence the US has in that matter..not to mention that i do share his views on absolutely hating president bush... he speaks the truth on social events and thats why i think he's so criticised.. like everyone he has his positives and negatives. He is completely anti US with its power trip on latin and South America and he wants to block any kind of ordeal with the US having any involvement in South America.. . meaning he is againt the US building any camps or strategic camps around bolivia etc. he has done a lot socially .. and has helped Argentina as well with its debt that it has with the FMI.. he is what we can call in our Countries "populista" which basically means he represents the working class against the capitalists.

Again I think he makes his good points.. he is not a radical i think. And its always good to hear all kinds of opinions from different coutries and news papers and then come up with your own.. this is a huge topic of discussion because there are soo many different opinions to this subject. I can only speak for myself in this regard.

Its difficult to find oposing views sometimes on these issues.. but here is a great website if you dont know it:

[URL="http://www.democracynow.org"]www.democracynow.org[/URL]

sorry chicos por contestarle en ingles.. si quieren q traduzca.. me avisan.. besitos!

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not so much on his points, merely, when you open a newspaper on a random day, are they bashing him or backing him?

i.e. here in america, every major outlet trashes bush, except one or two. so in general, the media views him negativly.

does the local caracas paper, for instance, say he is good or bad.

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i mean why would people view him in a negative way though.. or bash him... he speaks a lot of truth.. he has a provocative style when he speaks.. and he enjoys being controversial..

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1001 noches....:Respect: :Respect:

First thing first, I wish I could express myself like that in english =P

Secondly, I agree on every matter...

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so the ,media backs him for the most part?>

this isnt a question on ideas, but on media coverage if that helps.

for instance, and throw out your views on his policiy for a sec, the local NY media and the national broadcasters like cnn, actually right now, have the title "stupid tirade at UN'' under the coverage of it. and they cover iran's president ''satan speaks'' in the paper.

as opposed to say a venezulan paper that may have a title like ''he speaks'' i.e. are they for him, opposed to him, or nuetral? our media hates the two of them.

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[quote=thesightless;378008]so the ,media backs him for the most part?>

this isnt a question on ideas, but on media coverage if that helps.

for instance, and throw out your views on his policiy for a sec, the local NY media and the national broadcasters like cnn, actually right now, have the title "stupid tirade at UN'' under the coverage of it. and they cover iran's president ''satan speaks'' in the paper.

as opposed to say a venezulan paper that may have a title like ''he speaks'' i.e. are they for him, opposed to him, or nuetral? our media hates the two of them.[/quote]

i understand..

but the US media says that because local media and CNN in the US are absolute trash.. they dont know how to be objective like other media in the world: other Countries in the world try to be more objective even if the news paper tends to be more right or left winged... i mean unless you do some serious research trying to get "real news" in the US is really difficult.. you should check out democracy now.. and some other links i have.. even BBC world press is better than CNN: this is real media:

BBC WORLD PRESS: Chavez tells UN Bush is 'devil'

Newspaper el Clarin from Argentina: Chavez called Bush "the devil"

Newspaper La nacion from Argentina: warm response from washington on Chavez speech against Bush

Newspaper El Pais from Spain: Chavez compares Bush to the devil in United Nations

Newspaper from Venezuela El sol de Margarita from Venezuela: Chavez calls Bush "the devil" over his hegemonic pretensions

Newspaper from Venezuela La Cadena Global: Chavez explains his position on UN intervention

Newspaper from Chile El Mercurio: doesnt even say much other than the fact that Chavez wants to cancel a meet he had with the President of Chile so that there doesnt appear to be any "lobbying" regarding the situation with the UN

Newspaper from Brasil El Globo: Chavez calls Bush "the devil"

Newspaper from Bolivia Los Tiempos: Bush called the devil by Chavez

i guess thats one of the perks about speaking the language.. being able to read all these news papers... but again that re-instates what i said before.. its not that they like him or hate him or are neutral.. all these newspapers are giving "just the information" now whether or not people like him or not.. like i said before.. he speaks truth.. and ofcourse the US like you said hate him.. because he is completely Anti-Bush.. I dont even know if he is anti american but he hates the fact that Bush and the US act and have no clue as to foreign policy... media coverage in the US is absolute brain wash.. so its our job to find the close thing to the real story... ;)

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sightless, dont forget CNN is the most manipulated mean of media in the states...worst thing is that a big number of north americans not only watch it but believe every word the station broadcasts...

In our country theres not SUCH manipulation but it DOES exists...like broadcasting some news while oders more important or more scandalous remain unknown. Its not a question of saying whom they like or not...they could hate one or both of them, but still be broadcasting wothout judgement/criteria...like you said, instead of saying "stupid tirade at UN", say "chavez regarded Bush as THE DEVIL"

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[quote=Fer_Sancho;378071]sightless, dont forget CNN is the most manipulated mean of media in the states...worst thing is that a big number of north americans not only watch it but believe every word the station broadcasts...

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and that is why i asked you guys and girls.:p

personal opinions on him are a different day

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[quote=Fer_Sancho;378071]sightless, dont forget CNN is the most manipulated mean of media in the states...worst thing is that a big number of north americans not only watch it but believe every word the station broadcasts...

In our country theres not SUCH manipulation but it DOES exists...like broadcasting some news while oders more important or more scandalous remain unknown. Its not a question of saying whom they like or not...they could hate one or both of them, but still be broadcasting wothout judgement/criteria...like you said, instead of saying "stupid tirade at UN", say "chavez regarded Bush as THE DEVIL"[/quote]

muy bien ahi fer! ;) CNN es una mierda y da asco escucharlo... es verdad q el manipuleo de CNN da verguenza aparte de otros medios.. congratulations por el uso del idioma too:D

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are any of you beaners coming up for two's show here in NY?:lol: :p :twisted:

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[QUOTE=thesightless;378586]are any of you beaners coming up for two's show here in NY?:lol: :p :twisted:[/QUOTE]

I wish I could....!!! $$$

I should ask two if he´s got any room left in his luggage for me :lol: :lol:

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[quote=1001Noches;378532]muy bien ahi fer! ;) CNN es una mierda y da asco escucharlo... es verdad q el manipuleo de CNN da verguenza aparte de otros medios.. congratulations por el uso del idioma too:D[/quote]

There´s no such thing as "independent media" these days.. every single media has a machinery behind which supports their statements... CNN, Fox...

but the thing that i reeeeally don´t understand is that despite the military actions in middle east, Bush´s low IQ, astronomical oil prices (and getting higher)... american people is gonna re elect mr.Bush!! it´s amazing but i guess he´s gonna win!!

And as for the Topic... Chavez is seen as the "pain in the ass" for de American Empire (sorry if it sounds rude, but that´s what Latin america think about USA). In these days of hidden truth and the " let´s take over that country cause we have economical interests on it and we shit on UN" policy of USA, people like Chavez, Castro, Morales, Lula y a little bit of Kirchner is needed in order to face a country that doesn´t see beyond it´s economical matters... (again, sorry if it sounds rude, but that´s what the lefts of the post USA open market policies Argentinian middle class thinks).

People with a higher economical level (who read newspapers like La Nacion, which has a totally different point of view as you might have seen a few topics behind, listen to a different kind of radio station, watch different TV channels and overall have economical issues to support their decisions) think that Chavez is some kind of perverse person who goes against the world and such type of politicians should be taken away from power at all costs... Not to mention Castro...

So, depending on the social class you are in or maybe you political heritage from your parents, there are faced opinions about mr.chavez.

cheers!

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i dont argue opinions. we all have them. but i need to correct you here. [QUOTE]but the thing that i reeeeally don´t understand is that despite the military actions in middle east, Bush´s low IQ, astronomical oil prices (and getting higher)... american people is gonna re elect mr.Bush!! it´s amazing but i guess he´s gonna win!! [/QUOTE]

he cannot be re-elected. here in the USA we have two term limits on the executive branches at all levels. federal, state and local. no mayor, governer nor president is allowed to extend beyond 8 years.

but here in america. outside of this stupid, asinine war, people in the know regarding market economics, tax policy and federal funding to the states, still hold a favorable opinion to him in that aspect. again, 99%of this country hates these stupid wars fought on behalf of the most hopeless region on the planet, but his economic policy outside of military spending is one of the best in ages. the exchange based in NYC has had its longest streak of trading over 11,000 a day, the market is strong, employment is very very high, and other '' money factors'' are great. again, though, its the stupid iraq war and all the bullshit that came with it that really destroyed him. over 85% of our country was all for the afghan invasion, ill admit i was. its a shame that his cabinet and his motives in iraq destroyed his administration, because before 9/11 he was holding on to the single highest domestic approval rating ever. he had both major parties working together with minimal in fighting.

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I thought it was the other way round ...!isnt the country or a few states losing money??

[QUOTE= LacianFan]....There?s no such thing as "independent media" these days.. [/QUOTE]

Because someone is high society will read La Nacion?!?!?!?!? Sorry for not agreeing there Pablo, that statement is really lame! hehe...I consider miself middle class (struglying not to get lower) and I read La Nacion.

The thing about Chavez and Castro is a bit confusing....are you saying people HERE in Argentina with influences and high econocimal level think that Chavez is perverse?? or were you talking about pips on USA?

Regarding Bush reelection, I could only compare it with MENEM here in Argentina, same thing...nobody voted for him yet he almost won on 2002 (that would have REALLY sucked). Same with his reelection on 95...did anyone vote him??? Yet he was reelected... =/

Critical votes are the ones from high society (who put money in campaigns) and from lower clases (with a hot dog, a cola, and a few stupid promises that would never be fullfilled they get their atention), those things first plus a few fraudulent tricks and they get to the Casa Rosada, or White House in the USA case...Middle Class dont make the difference...

Hell, we are predestinated to cease to exist...high class grows as well as lower class while the middle class is smaller and smaller...but hey! newsaper says two million pips left poverty during the last year (????????????), I would consider advising the guy who wrote that note taking a trip outside the Federal District....ond notice how EVERY villa is getting bigger and NOT smaller...

I think the things that influence people on their political beliefs are, business, group of people you hang around with and political heritage from family (that point I do agree with you pablo)

question....why are we still talking in english? hehehehe

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i heard that high oil prices is starting to affect North America´s economy, is it true? I´ve been told that some car manofacturers are selling SUV at veeery low prices in order to get rid of the huge unsold stock of cars...

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[quote=Fer_Sancho;379077] Regarding Bush reelection, I could only compare it with MENEM here in Argentina, same thing...nobody voted for him yet he almost won on 2002 (that would have REALLY sucked). Same with his reelection on 95...did anyone vote him??? Yet he was reelected... =/ [/quote]

Dont get angry with me ni?o Sancho!! jajaja It?s just a statistic fact! :OP ... have you seen anybody in a Audi A6 reading Pagina 12? jajajaa

In the Quote is THE reason that explains almost everything... Wanna know what it is?: FEAR

Fear to loose the posibility of buying things like dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, etc in the case of our ex presindent, and fear of the thereat of world terrorism in the norhern country...

In both cases the speech was like "it?s me or the caos...you choose" and shure it has paid off!!!! We should realize that it?s not true!!!!

chau viejita! jaja

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por un momento pense que estaba en el foro de espa?ol :D

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i don't like chavez he makes me remeber hitler/mussolini

I am not USA fan, but i see chavez as a negative leader. I have a cousing living in venezuela... there is no free speach there. he talks as if he were a poor common citizen, but if you see, he is carrying a very expensive rolex watch... and so on....

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in colombia, the papers always portray chavez nor good or bad but like in the middle .... is not what he says is the way he says this things

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soo proud ! ya se q es el forum de ms en espanol.. pero felicitaciones a todos por el idioma..:D

LanciaFan, I know i heard that before.. that its divided between those who read La Nacion and those who read Clarin.. or whatever.. but i still think what i said before.. why not read both? isnt it like anything else.. that its good to hear both sides of the story to then develop your own conclusion.. but that differences in opinion in what is either "higher" or "lower" class is also relative.. for Chavez he represents the working class.. he speaks as any "populista" would.. whether anyone likes him or not.. its a matter of your own opinion means and methods on how to get votes like Fer said ofcourse is different from which "class" you are talking about.. on the objective side.. Chavez speaks some truth on some issues.. he is provocative and likes to spark things up.. its his style.. he is a military man which i am not too crazy about, but he does stand up for Countries in South America and is pretty straight up when it comes to president bush..

LanciaFan you are absolutely right that SUVs are basically given away now because of gas prices.. those who but them neither gas prices, any prices, or the environment affect you.. gas prices were higer before but we complain about gas prices which right now are at $2.75 today the gallon.. .69 cents the liter... and why are we complaining??? are we clueless about what gas costs around the world?

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chavez, ebo morales, fidel castro y lopez obrador no son mas que lideres populistas y aunque se oiga ridiculo opresores de la clase media, no por que la clase baja sea mayoria en todos sus paises quiere decir que estos tienen derecho a arrebatar propiedades o empresas para darselos a los que menos tienen, creanme que la clase media-alta tambien trabajo para obtenerlos. Otra cosa que no entiendo es por que hablan de libertad/manipulacion de la expresion, cuando es del dominio publico que hablar mal de cualquiera de estos personajes dentro de sus paises es convertirte automaticamente en un perseguido politico, yo se que cada quien tiene su propia opinion, pero si estan hablando de realidades.... la realidad es que en estos "lideres" politicos no son mas que demagogos que obtuvieron su poder a travez de amenazas y revueltas civiles, que en su mayoria no hacen mas que satisfacer las necesidades de unos cuantos. En realidad se me hace ridiculo tomar posiciones tan radicales en tiempos donde lo que se necesita es globalizarse para poder seguir con el ritmo de los demas paises, igual no justifico el hambre de poder de EUA (Bush), pero analogicamente veo a Hugo Chavez queriendose adueñar de todo un bloque sudamericano para hacer frente a los americanos y declarar una guerra politica/comercial sin sentido. IMO.

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[QUOTE=bancito;380049]por un momento pense que estaba en el foro de español :D[/QUOTE]

si no te gusta siempre podes DEJAR DE ENTRAR....

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would anyone mind taking a few minutes later today after work to translate hansh's post for me? it would be greatly appreciated. i love learning new points of view, especially when you can get them from a local source. (i know its the spanish section, but learning is never a bad thing)

thanking whoever in advance----sean (if someone chooses, PM me as to not eat up thread space)8)

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[quote=1001Noches;380139]LanciaFan, I know i heard that before.. that its divided between those who read La Nacion and those who read Clarin.. or whatever.. but i still think what i said before.. why not read both? isnt it like anything else.. that its good to hear both sides of the story to then develop your own conclusion.. [/quote]

of course my dear!! ;) it´s the only way to know the truth.., or something close to it... pagina12, le monde diplomatique, la nacion, cronica, clarin...etc... even Condorito! jaja

i guess people like chavez, evo morales, and a few others are very hard on their way they talk because if you are not that way, well , USA goverment wont take you too seriously... I believe that we have reached a point of no return in foreign policy... Is either us or them...but not "we" anymore... I mean, latin america is tired of the FMI (IMF) and its economical receipes that lead to a social disaster... and they don´t even apply them in their own country!!! :roll: Would you believe in the "free market" world commercial policy that bush proclames as THE solution for us? It´s time for an emancipated latin america managing its own natural resources, driving its own way to reach a tenable economical growth, and VERY IMPORTANT, to elect our own leaders... not like the 70´s when US decided that military goverments across latin america would be an interesting way to lend money...

finally i guess people like the new latin america leaders are needed AT THE MOMENT (not always) in order to brake the inertia. It´s kinda global social latin revolution...