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just when i was thinking american society had recovered some dignity

26 durable postsStarted 2006-05-03Latest 2006-05-05
#27503Post 1 of 26

the jury who decided that life imprisonment was an appropriate sentence can't be commended highly enough. nobody in the UK predicted that. although one isolated case will not really alter many people's attitudes towards american society and its government - it was certainly refreshing.

so looking forward to some interesting debate with the good folk on this American-centric board (that i love so much), i come to find it shot to shit with ridiculous posts and general garbage. what happened here in the space of a few days?

good night and good luck. i'm off to bed. GMT+1

#625074Post 2 of 26

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[quote=Hos]the jury who decided that life imprisonment was an appropriate sentence can't be commended highly enough. nobody in the UK predicted that. although one isolated case will not really alter many people's attitudes towards american society and its government - it was certainly refreshing.

so looking forward to some interesting debate with the good folk on this American-centric board (that i love so much), i come to find it shot to shit with ridiculous posts and general garbage. what happened here in the space of a few days?

good night and good luck. i'm off to bed. GMT+1[/quote]

personally i think life in prison is way worse for moussai (sp?) if we put him to death then he becomes a matyr, and we already have enough matrys. i would like to get those 70 or so virgins they promise though.

#625088Post 3 of 26

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yes I agree. life imprisonment is definitely far worse. but in so many states it is not seen as the highest form of punishment.

we don't have to talk about martyrdom. we have already lost so much human life over the last 10 years through this global war.

i dream of a day when the death penalty is abolished in the world's most powerful country - as long as life means life.

#625099Post 4 of 26

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he will probably be killed in prison anyway.......

#625102Post 5 of 26

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What sucks now is that we tax payers have to pay to keep that scumbag alive.

With his attitude and the way he runs his mouth he probably wont last long in prison anyway.

#625150Post 6 of 26

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[quote=Hg_addict]What sucks now is that we tax payers have to pay to keep that scumbag alive.

With his attitude and the way he runs his mouth he probably wont last long in prison anyway.[/quote] Agreed..Nothing like a little prison justice..Screw em lets make martyrs out of all of em

#625179Post 7 of 26

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Bubba'll take care of him really quick...

#625222Post 8 of 26

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[quote=devon]personally i think life in prison is way worse for moussai (sp?) if we put him to death then he becomes a matyr, and we already have enough matrys. i would like to get those 70 or so virgins they promise though.[/quote]

well said

#625225Post 9 of 26

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[quote]just when i was thinking american society had recovered some dignity [/quote]

I find that nearly condescending. We condemn them for killing and then we kill them ? How would the civilized Western World be ANY different from the barbaric terrorists if they were executed..... especially on US Soil.

Being killed on the battle field would be another thing all together but I do agree, prison would be one hell of a way for this dude to repent. I still shudder from that MTV show where they showed young kids conversing with hardened criminals in Jail.

Moussaoui will see his virgins alright :lol:

#625309Post 10 of 26

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yeah, americans are dicks for killing murderers.

[url]http://picklemonkey.net/justice.pps[/url] (powerpoint)

#625311Post 11 of 26

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^^ that is just grotesque

#625314Post 12 of 26

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^brave little kid.

#625318Post 13 of 26

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^^^ Wtf

#625321Post 14 of 26

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[quote=Hg_addict]What sucks now is that we tax payers have to pay to keep that scumbag alive.
[/quote] Actually, it costs tax payers more money to sentence someone to death than life in prison. Once you're sentenced to death, there is an automatic appeal process which takes a long time, and a lot of money, plus keeping them in prison. The cost per inmate for a lifer is less.

Moussouisiisiousisouimississippi wanted to be killed, that way he could be a martyr. He lied to the judge and jury heavily in attempt to gain that verdict. Unfortunately for him, the judge and jury saw right through that and gave him exactly what he didn't want- life in prison.

Nice work imo. Enjoy the gang rape.

#625328Post 15 of 26

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[quote=picklemonkey]yeah, americans are dicks for killing murderers.

[URL="http://picklemonkey.net/justice.pps"]http://picklemonkey.net/justice.pps[/URL] (powerpoint)[/quote]

Maybe you should call that "generalize.pps"

Catholic priests molest young boys and then are protected by the church, worse same or better? I personally reject all organized religion, but in so much as it does exist, none is worse than any other. It is how they are mis-used by people that is the problem. Crusades anyone?

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I agree, the life sentance is better punishment. They should see to it that it is as uncomfortable as possible, and as long as possible. Will it cost me tax dollars? Yes, which I will gladly pay in his case.

#625345Post 16 of 26

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[QUOTE=Jenks]Actually, it costs tax payers more money to sentence someone to death than life in prison. Once you're sentenced to death, there is an automatic appeal process which takes a long time, and a lot of money, plus keeping them in prison. The cost per inmate for a lifer is less.

[/QUOTE] +10

Just a couple of articles and the link where they can be found follows:

[quote]Kansas Study Concludes Death Penalty is Costly Policy In its review of death penalty expenses, the State of Kansas concluded that capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-death penalty cases. The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The costs of appeals were 29% of the total expense, and the incarceration and execution costs accounted for the remaining 22%. In comparison to non-death penalty cases, the following findings were revealed:

The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case). The appeal costs for death cases were 21 times greater. The costs of carrying out (i.e. incarceration and/or execution) a death sentence were about half the costs of carrying out a non-death sentence in a comparable case. Trials involving a death sentence averaged 34 days, including jury selection; non-death trials averaged about 9 days. [/quote]

[quote] Florida spends millions extra per year on death penalty Florida would save $51 million each year by punishing all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole, according to estimates by the Palm Beach Post. Based on the 44 executions Florida has carried out since 1976, that amounts to an approximate cost of $24 million for each execution. This finding takes into account the relatively few inmates who are actually executed, as well as the time and effort expended on capital defendants who are tried but convicted of a lesser murder charge, and those whose deathe sentences are overturned on appeal. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000) [/quote]

[quote]A New Jersey Policy Perspectives report concluded that the state's death penalty has cost taxpayers $253 million since 1983, a figure that is over and above the costs that would have been incurred had the state utilized a sentence of life without parole instead of death. The study examined the costs of death penalty cases to prosecutor offices, public defender offices, courts, and correctional facilities. The report's authors said that the cost estimate is "very conservative" because other significant costs uniquely associated with the death penalty were not available. "From a strictly financial perspective, it is hard to reach a conclusion other than this: New Jersey taxpayers over the last 23 years have paid more than a quarter billion dollars on a capital punishment system that has executed no one," the report concluded. Since 1982, there have been 197 capital trials in New Jersey and 60 death sentences, of which 50 were reversed. There have been no executions, and 10 men are housed on the state's death row. Michael Murphy, former Morris County prosecutor, remarked: "If you were to ask me how $11 million a year could best protect the people of New Jersey, I would tell you by giving the law enforcement community more resources. I'm not interested in hypotheticals or abstractions, I want the tools for law enforcement to do their job, and $11 million can buy a lot of tools." (See Newsday, Nov. 21, 2005; also Press Release, New Jerseyans for Alternatives to the Death Penalty, Nov. 21, 2005). Read the Executive Summary. Read the full report. Read the NJADP Press Release. [/quote]

[url]http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/[/url]

#625379Post 17 of 26

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America has no dignity whilst Guamtanemo bay is still operating.

[SIZE=2]Moussaoui, will serve his sentence in solitary confinement in a maximum security jail in Colorado. Supermax i believe is the name. Do you really think he would be allowed into the general fedral prison population?

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#625384Post 18 of 26

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that wouldn't last very long

#625405Post 19 of 26

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who what where and when??? is this that guy that was involved in the 9/11 thing?

#625414Post 20 of 26

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#625420Post 21 of 26

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[quote=red1]who what where and when??? is this that guy that was involved in the 9/11 thing?[/quote] I wasn't gonna flame you for like what? A month. Hokey then: the guy was the one who had to crash a boeing into the White House on 9/11.

@ all posting that info about cost and such of the DP (like Ska): BIG THANX GUYS! Erzina is writing a paper on the DP and this is good stuff.

:RockOn: MS rocks :RockOn:

By the way, in this case the DP isn't the worst punishment you can give this guy. Why spoil are your fun in like 5 mins while seeing him turn into Kentucky Friend Terrorist while you can have two generations gloat at him while he rots away in a cell, knowing this shit will happen over and over again. Yesterday was the same as today and tomorrow doesn't look any better 'till you die of old age? If I was in his place, I'd beg for a ride on the chair...

#625427Post 22 of 26

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sorry, my daily american knoledge is sadly lacking :lol: possibly due to the fact that i,m over in the uk might be a reason for that lol... i miss the news all the time so i,m not exactly up to date on world affairs...anyway if i were the judge i would hang him from his feet indefinately but keep him alive for aslong as i could, seems like a suitable punishment for the crime, you know whats going to happen in the future with this guy then, he's going to be used as a political deal tool just like the bombers of pan am @ locerbie over here, i think thats whats going to happen with laden when the price of his head gets to a certain price someone will use him as a political deal for power like the libians

#625456Post 23 of 26

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  1. you can get a .22 caliber bullet for 45 cents.
  2. his asshole is in for some excercise.
  3. if you deny someone the basic right to live, why are you given that right.
  4. moralistic idiots piss me off sometimes. i want to kill thier families then write letters to them detailing my workout and eating regeim as well as telling them my favorite new tv shows that will be on while they visit thier families graves.
#625616Post 24 of 26

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The Judge couldnt have put it better...

"You came here to be a martyr and die in a great big bang of glory, but to paraphrase the poet T.S. Eliot, instead you will die with a whimper," U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema said, borrowing a line from Eliot's "The Hollow Men."

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/04/moussaoui.verdict/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/04/moussaoui.verdict/index.html[/URL]

#625633Post 25 of 26

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to be honest i think that a crime as sick as that should carry some sort of equally sick punishment.....i dont think just locking him up is a justified/equal punishment

#625643Post 26 of 26

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[quote=Hg_addict]The Judge couldnt have put it better...

"You came here to be a martyr and die in a great big bang of glory, but to paraphrase the poet T.S. Eliot, instead you will die with a whimper," U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema said, borrowing a line from Eliot's "The Hollow Men."

[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/04/moussaoui.verdict/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/04/moussaoui.verdict/index.html[/URL][/quote]

very nice, rotting in a hole for the next 65 years sounds perfect

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