Since we have this issue with immigration such as benefits and what not, a good solution would be to require them to serve in our Armed Forces for no less than 2 yrs and after that time, they would be able to live here and have the rights to benefits. Any thoughts on this? :WTF:
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Opinion for the day - Solution for Immigration problem
40 durable postsStarted 2006-04-19Latest 2006-04-21
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hmm. did you come up with this solution on your own, or did you read it somewhere else? i see many problems within your solution. first off, lets start with the fear of terrorism that the news loves to shove down our throats. what happens in the odd ball case of an would be terrorist crossing the border to get into the usa. now this guy is part of military? secondly, the military already offers pentions and other forms of compensation for joining the force. would the immigrants be eligible for these forms of compensation as well, or just the rights associated with becoming a citizen? and what happens in the case of a discharge? sounds like a plan, but it would require a lot of planning and i see a lot of problems stemming out of it.
i see more of a solution coming out of the need for healthcare. if you need the hospital you are already there and filling out forms. might as well hand out a couple more forms having to do with becoming a citizen.
either way, its not fair to the immigrants who come over hear legally and have to waive the rights to things like social security so that they can never become a "drain on society".
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definitely not fair to the ones who come here, get and education and learn to speak English. They are not a drain on our economy and can actually help it. I can't stand that all of these immigrants come here (I live near Miami) and don't even bother to learn English and expect the same rights as our citzens. It is funny seeing these people protest in the US but they never protested in their former country.
As for the military thing, it was just an idea. The military can benefit and educate so it would force individuals to learn to be an American. Like you mentioned, it would need a lot of planning.
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if I recollect the interview correctly.... an Iraqi man who tagged along the US army as an interpretor back in the Gulf War of '91, came to the US, lived here, continued to serve in the army and went to English School to improve his communication skills, then went back to Iraq with the Army when Bush Jr. attacked and was the guy who was one of the two people from the US army who helped drag Saddam out of the hole in the ground ?
tell me what compensation are you going to give to those who truly deserve it ? Let's have an opinion on that ?
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in terms of benefits, I was referring to Healthcare
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[quote=speciale]As for the military thing, it was just an idea.[/quote]
A stupid one
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[quote=BobbyJassi]A stupid one[/quote]
why? at least give your opinion on it. Better that immigrants work to stay in this country IMO
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[quote=speciale]in terms of benefits, I was referring to Healthcare[/quote]
um, i'm not sure if your from the usa speciale, but we don't get healthcare as a benifit of being a citizen?
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[quote=daveman]um, i'm not sure if your from the usa speciale, but we don't get healthcare as a benifit of being a citizen?[/quote]
true, but some hospitals do care for illegal non-citizens, which soon they will need to turn them away. So my bad in mentioning all healthcare.
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[quote=speciale]Since we have this issue with immigration such as benefits and what not, a good solution would be to require them to serve in our Armed Forces for no less than 2 yrs and after that time, they would be able to live here and have the rights to benefits. Any thoughts on this? :WTF:[/quote]
You've watched Starship Troopers too much buddy ;)
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this thread went sour. Never watched starship troopers. To the admins, please delete this thread... thanks :Nerves:
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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]That will be one fucked up army.
:Boom::Boom::Boom::Boom::Boom::Boom: [/SIZE][/FONT]
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[quote=speciale]this thread went sour. Never watched starship troopers. To the admins, please delete this thread... thanks :Nerves:[/quote]
Don't worry, I wasn't attacking you with the ST remark, your post just reminded me of some slogans in that movie...
And as for the thread going sour, don't wanna be a smart ass, but you could've seen that coming from a mile away, no? You might want to post stuff like this in the Politics forum next time ;)
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I missed the politics forum. The main thing on the news here is all the shit about immigration and it is more of a mask to hide what is going on in Iraq. IMO, I can't wait for 2008 for a new president. McCain \o/
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[quote=elerman777][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]That will be one fucked up army.
:Boom::Boom::Boom::Boom::Boom::Boom: [/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]
Why? The French have had such a system for ages: if you enlist in the Foreign Legion, you can obtain the French nationality after a certain time of doing service.
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[quote=speciale]I missed the politics forum. The main thing on the news here is all the shit about immigration and it is more of a mask to hide what is going on in Iraq. IMO, I can't wait for 2008 for a new president. McCain \o/[/quote]
Old wine in new bags imo. Bush has rolled the dices and neither a new republican nor a democrat president can wipe the slate clean just like that. I guess we'll have to sit out the ride: the US citizens because of putting Bush in office twice, the rest of the "free world" for not having the spine to stop him...
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I guess worked got to me today since I forgot about the fuckn french. Their army can never win a war :lol:
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[quote=KinKyJ]Old wine in new bags imo. Bush has rolled the dices and neither a new republican nor a democrat president can wipe the slate clean just like that. I guess we'll have to sit out the ride: the US citizens because of putting Bush in office twice, the rest of the "free world" for not having the spine to stop him...[/quote]
well, its better that we choose the right man for the job. It will take us a long time to recover from his fuck ups. A long time for the world to recover from it
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[quote=speciale]well, its better that we choose the right man for the job. It will take us a long time to recover from his fuck ups. A long time for the world to recover from it[/quote] Tell me about it: I feel his fuck ups every time I fill my car up with fucking expensive diesel :evil:
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surely yhe best idea would be to solve world debit and problems, hence people don't need to immigrate to leech of other societies or for refuge, etc, etc!!!
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[quote=Dhar_2]surely yhe best idea would be to solve world debit and problems[/quote] Shit, why didn't I think of that? That's fucking genial dude :roll:
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[quote=KinKyJ]Shit, why didn't I think of that?[/quote]
small brain???? :roll:
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[quote=Dhar_2]small brain???? :roll:[/quote]
Didn't know you held a degree in self diagnostics :Bingo:
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...on this threads note this is the extremes that some people in the U.S. are going to...
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My .02 cents. The french foregin legion is one of the best fighting forces in the world.
Would you make the women and children sign up too for the right to live in the US?
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[quote=Morgan]My .02 cents. The french foregin legion is one of the best fighting forces in the world.
Would you make the women and children sign up too for the right to live in the US?[/quote]
can't answer that one. I guess for the children it would be different but woman can fight.
If I was in their shoes, it would be better to joing the military and become a citizen than sneaking in and picking up tomatoes for $2 an hour. The scariest part is that the $2 an hour is still better than what they would get at home.
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[quote=Morgan]The french foregin legion is one of the best fighting forces in the world. [/quote]
French and best used together in the same sentence.......... :roll:
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in a recent interview on TV, Bush himself said that on a visit to a farmers ranch in Texas, the Farmer couldn't find anyone to sow whatever it is you need to sow to grow potatoes because it was a back breaking job and natives of the area weren't willing to do it at the prevailing wage rate.
ANOTHER important point you HAVE to remember is that it is all a demand and supply situation. If AMERICAN businesses [B][U]wouldn't[/U][/B] hire the snot out of them in order to skimp on Medical / Dental / Retirement / Benefits / Bonuses / Pay Raises and whatever else they would need, in order to keep their costs low ....... illegal workers to the US would simply disappear. So its blessid ridiculous to blame them
Its the same useless unthought of ludicrous reason that every other jobless computer programmer in the US blames an Indian for stealing his job when the VERY AMERICAN company he applies for jobs to are the ones who aren't interested in the poor white programmer because they can get a POORER Indian programmer to do the same job in HALF the time without paying ANY bonus AND without any long term commitment.
Capitalism and complaining at its finest imo.
To all those who are looking beyond your boundaries in trying to find blame at other nations, look within your own boundaries on how to fix the problem.
You think if you started setting up 5 year JAIL sentences to ANY American business / family for hiring an illegal, there would be any illegals left in this country ? Think about it
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[quote=geoffgulley]French and best used together in the same sentence.......... :roll:[/quote]
Ze Frenche suque quoque. A friend of mine hooked up with some French dimwit with an Audi TT in Saint Tropez last year. Seemed that the only HP was under the hood of his car. The poor fucker couldn't get it up after SEVEN attempts. Vive la R?publique, ah ouis Fran?ois :lol:
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[quote=Kamal]in a recent interview on TV, Bush himself said that on a visit to a farmers ranch in Texas, the Farmer couldn't find anyone to sow whatever it is you need to sow to grow potatoes because it was a back breaking job and natives of the area weren't willing to do it at the prevailing wage rate.
ANOTHER important point you HAVE to remember is that it is all a demand and supply situation. If AMERICAN businesses [B][U]wouldn't[/U][/B] hire the snot out of them in order to skimp on Medical / Dental / Retirement / Benefits / Bonuses / Pay Raises and whatever else they would need, in order to keep their costs low ....... illegal workers to the US would simply disappear. So its blessid ridiculous to blame them
Its the same useless unthought of ludicrous reason that every other jobless computer programmer in the US blames an Indian for stealing his job when the VERY AMERICAN company he applies for jobs to are the ones who aren't interested in the poor white programmer because they can get a POORER Indian programmer to do the same job in HALF the time without paying ANY bonus AND without any long term commitment.
Capitalism and complaining at its finest imo.
To all those who are looking beyond your boundaries in trying to find blame at other nations, look within your own boundaries on how to fix the problem.
You think if you started setting up 5 year JAIL sentences to ANY American business / family for hiring an illegal, there would be any illegals left in this country ? Think about it[/quote]
well said Kamal.
valid point. but the problem for me is that as a tax payer I am sick of paying for their benefits. the companys that hire illegals should be responsible to pay for their benefits not the Amercian people. its the same old shit. it will always happen and there aint shit that any of us can do about it.
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[quote=KinKyJ]Why? The French have had such a system for ages: if you enlist in the Foreign Legion, you can obtain the French nationality after a certain time of doing service.[/quote]
yeah that worked well.
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if you dont have a social security number, report to any city in alabama, texas, mississippi, arizona or california to be shot by a redneck.
read that as i think there is no solution unless we piss a lot of people off and follow the law letter by letter. enjoy the cheap labor and cheat on your taxes. its the only way to avoid paying for an illegal immigrants rape of the US social help system and get work done.
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[quote=KinKyJ]Ze Frenche suque quoque. A friend of mine hooked up with some French dimwit with an Audi TT in Saint Tropez last year. Seemed that the only HP was under the hood of his car. The poor fucker couldn't get it up after SEVEN attempts. Vive la République, ah ouis François :lol:[/quote] haha..... le Francais peut embrasser mon ane americain blanc... unless of course your a good electronic dj or producer then you're cool with me.... i give the french a lot ( i mean A LOT) of grief (deservedly so) but most I know are ok.....
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There is a simple solution let the illegal aliens come here all they want but make sure they have to pay taxes as well.
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[quote=geoffgulley]haha..... le Francais peut embrasser [B]mon ane americain blanc[/B]... unless of course your a good electronic dj or producer then you're cool with me.... i give the french a lot ( i mean A LOT) of grief (deservedly so) but most I know are ok.....[/quote]
I didn't know you had a white American mule Geoff :lol: (ass in Froggy is "cul")
Anywayz, nationality for me is a vague concept as far as fellow EU citizens are concerned. I might be a Belgian, but I considder myself a European above anything else...
@ Sean: dude, you're mixing up stuff. The scum that torched cars and looted stores during the riots in France were kids of immigrant workers, not (ex-)L?gionairs or their children. I know a guy who has served for years in the Legion and I gotta tell ya, if he'd do the pepsi challange with any US Marine I'm putting my money on him when it comes to patriotism and honor. The Foreign Legion has always been used as canon meat clearing the road for the regular army, so it aint no field trip...
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All I know is the Rave Machine is pretty cool Corporate America has sold your soul for a larger demographic There is now turning back Se habla Espanol plus six other languages like the rest of the world or perish.
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[quote=AntonyM] Se habla Espanol plus six other languages like the rest of the world or perish.[/quote]
thats the way it looks ;)
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Why not get with the global economy It is good to see I am not the only one who come home hammered ready for the threads that bare our MercurySever Experience As Jim Morrison said Your are all slaves Find out where you fit in
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[quote=AntonyM] As Jim Morrison said Your are all slaves Find out where you fit in[/quote]
With enough vaseline, I'd say anywhere :civic:
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Now that I like Keep it coming