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John Digweed- The European DJ Phenomena. Hype or Hip

31 durable postsStarted 2006-02-01Latest 2006-02-03
#23462Post 1 of 31

[URL="http://www.tranzfusion.net/articles/shownews.asp?newsid=3290"]John Digweed- The European DJ Phenomena. Hype or Hip[/URL] Christine Allen

[QUOTE]While on vacation in London last month, I picked up a copy of London Time Out and was ecstatic when I read that John Digweed was spinning at Club Fabric that Thursday night. I've dreamt of watching Digweed spin wonders in his homeland and that the price tag was only ?8 (roughly US$12). From clubbing in New York I knew this would be a London night not to miss and that every Digweed fan within 50 miles would be clamouring to get in.

At midnight on a drizzly London street, I arrived at Fabric to a deserted sidewalk and a few skinny bouncers with umbrellas leaning against a brick wall. There was no velvet rope, no Posh Spice look-a-like with a coveted guest list. No one was hovering outside the club. My senses were askew. Did I not read the flyer correctly? Did I get the date wrong? I timidly asked the doorman "Is John Digweed spinning here tonight?" "Who's John Digweed?" he replied. I must have the wrong club. A petite blond in a vintage coat overheard my question and piped, "Yes, John Digweed just came on".

In shock, I entered the half-empty mega-club. People were milling about drinking, chatting and dancing, but no one was particularly fixated on John Digweed. There was no "DJ is a God syndrome" where ravers stand in the center of the dance floor mesmerized by the DJs aura and sway back and forth screaming praises at every mix. It took me a while to comprehend the fact that John Digweed was just another DJ in London.

Fast forward two weeks. A freezing Thursday night in New York City outside of Club Centro-Fly. Everyone in the three hour line waiting to get in has already pre-paid $40 for tickets to see the famous English DJ, John Digweed. If you were not in line at 9pm with ticket in hand, or not on the coveted guest list, you'd get frostbite before you got into Centro Fly that night.

The evening was heavily promoted and the turn out successful: sold out and overcrowded. Inside the heat was unbearable. The floor was thumping. The smoke was thick as fog and it took martial art skills to get a drink at the bar. John Digweed was standing on a pedestal so the minions could collectively stare and sway and scream praises whenever he moved. It was a typical uber-DJ night in the Big Apple.

So, what makes a DJ shoot to stardom in the United States but remain grounded in Europe? Do the Europeans know something that is shaded from our eyes? Has DJ fame gotten out of hand and become absurd in America? That is exactly what I concluded that stormy night in London.

At Fabric, I took an audience poll and asked several clubbers how John Digweed was perceived in relation to other DJs. The response was across the board. "He's a great DJ, one of the best, but there are a lot of great DJs". When I told them how the United States worshipped John Digweed, jaws dropped and heads shook "What, you're insane, he's just a DJ". Then I asked if there was any DJ who would command such respect, not to mention a hefty price tag for a few hours music. "No Way!" Most would pay US$40 to go to Creamfields, or Gatecrasher, but those are carnival events where twenty or thirty top DJs spin over a twelve hour period.

Why do Americans empty their bank account each time a European DJ flies over the Atlantic? The answer may lie in the belief that most innovative music comes from Europe. A DJ is only a trendsetter if he's an import. Think about it. In NYC who packs the house a US$40 a head? Paul van Dyk, Tiesto, Sasha, Digweed and Carl Cox. Name one American DJ who can sell out a 3000 person venue on a Thursday night?

Perhaps people think a DJ must be larger-than-life in Europe to warrant a DJ world tour in high class style. Is it all a marketing myth? Were these European wunder-DJs special or just lucky to have been picked by the big labels to represent the dance music scene, and in return, they have to live up to the rock star image and pocket $15,000 a gig. You decide for yourself.

I felt a bit silly at Fabric and then even sillier at Centro Fly in NY. All the pomp and hype showered on John Digweed in the United States had blinded me into thinking that his popularity was a world shared-view. Deep into his set in London, I finally settled into the evening and accepted that the DJ would get no special treatment tonight. The clubbers were definitely at Fabric to hear John Digweed spin a phat set. He was playing incredibly awesome dark breaks with a twist of ambient and everyone had enough room to move. The crowd was pleased with John Digweed's performance. They should be, because he's just a DJ.[/QUOTE]

#554607Post 2 of 31

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interesting article

#554609Post 3 of 31

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Agreed.

#554612Post 4 of 31

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yea that was cool, maybe the london mods or whatever they are called are just so jaded that the only music that gets them goign is the new kayne west of jay z cd? just my thoughts.

#554640Post 5 of 31

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what American Dj could fill a 3000 person room on a Thursday night??? Answer Deep Dish...ok thats two.I think individually they could do it.Steve Porter is another.

#554641Post 6 of 31

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This article is dated 18.10.2003. Are things still this way?

#554659Post 7 of 31

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Diggers rules, he put on the best performance ever at space wmc 2003 :shock:

he is def worth paying $40 when he is on..........8)

#554670Post 8 of 31

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i never understood the whole 'god is a dj' thing....if anything, they're just the messengers....

#554862Post 9 of 31

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good point of view

#554875Post 10 of 31

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[quote=buckman]what American Dj could fill a 3000 person room on a Thursday night??? Answer Deep Dish...ok thats two.I think individually they could do it.Steve Porter is another.[/quote]

I don't think Steve Porter can fill a 3000 person venue. Maybe during WMC - if it's free - like his PorterHouse party, but definetly not somewhere like Crobar NYC on a regular weekend.

#554878Post 11 of 31

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[quote=neoee]This article is dated 18.10.2003. Are things still this way?[/quote]

more or less. except you will never get into a club in london for 8 quid. :lol:

#554884Post 12 of 31

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It's not that us Europeans are jaded, we are just spolit for choice. In London you can see tops DJ's day in day out.

As for the hero worship, must be an American thing. Although when Sasha plays it is allways a little more crowded and you sometimes have to wait an extra 15 mins to get in the club.

I could never worship a DJ who pisses in the same toilets as us mere mortals, although MJ tried to and got told to fcuk right off.

#557621Post 13 of 31

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[quote=neoee]This article is dated 18.10.2003. Are things still this way?[/quote]

Thought so....Centro-Fly is not even around anymore.

I could only see this being a bad night at fabric. Seems unheard ot that Digweed couldnt sell out Fabric. Everytime Ive seen him in Europe, the places are packed. I think this is highly unusual.

#557647Post 14 of 31

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good read. thank you.

#557717Post 15 of 31

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interesting!

#557784Post 16 of 31

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yeah. this article is old. by no means is it a dig at the article tho. very interesting and very true. diggers sells out fabric now. at least that is the impression that i have been given by my british mates. diggers had that fabric cd a year or two ago, so i think fabric crowds may be bigger than she witnessed.

#557805Post 17 of 31

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its a bit odd, ive never heard john playing on a thursday night at fabric. he always does saturdays. could she have mistaken fabric, for a bedrock half empty night?:?:

#557810Post 18 of 31

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^^^^^ or she could have gone to the wrong club and they lied at the door saying diggers was there just to get another patron in there????????:p

#557961Post 19 of 31

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[quote=hulkhuss]^^^^^ or she could have gone to the wrong club and they lied at the door saying diggers was there just to get another patron in there????????:p[/quote] well, it looks like she already knew who Digweed was:

"from clubbing in New York I knew this would be a London night not to miss..."

Since dance music is not overshadowed so much by hip-hop in Europe like it is here in the US, dance music DJs are more common and the demand is probably not so high. Being more a part of mainstream culture in Europe, dance music is also not as "special" like it is here, so people don't treat it as such.

Lots of big clubs in NYC employ DJs who play either a mix of hip-hip/r&b and commercial house/hard house/trance because the average large club crowd is the guido/B&T crowd. Why is this? Well, because people aren't as exposed to dance music here; hence, the uninitiated public has no reference for quality. I think we can all agree that dance music would be ten times more popular if people were exposed to it the way they are commercially to hip-hop/r&b.

So, when a big space finally brings in someone who can play a decent set, people go nuts. It's really refreshing for Americans who are interested in dance music. If Sasha played here every week, it wouldn't be such a big deal.

That said, the whole "DJ worship" thing is bullshit. The people guilty of this are usually the same guido/B&T set that corrupt the NYC scene anyway. That's not the rest of us; we just appreciate it when we can hear some reliably good music in a big club.

If you took the time to read that, I salute you.

#558058Post 20 of 31

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^^^^^^^^^^ for those about to rock we salute you :)

#558120Post 21 of 31

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"sold out and overcrowded. Inside the heat was unbearable. The floor was thumping. The smoke was thick as fog and it took martial art skills to get a drink at the bar."

is the same shit down here at argentine.. it sucks!! how could you dance if you`re packed like sardines?

#558131Post 22 of 31

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y i hate dealing wit big crowds.....:evil:

#558148Post 23 of 31

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paul oakenfold? :p

#558168Post 24 of 31

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[quote=buckman]what American Dj could fill a 3000 person room on a Thursday night??? Answer Deep Dish...ok thats two.I think individually they could do it.Steve Porter is another.[/quote]

interesting you'd say porter instead of someone who actually does it like tenaglia.

nothing against porter, but i think you couldnt help yourself being from boston and all. i've seen him play half empty venues on weekends before.

#558208Post 25 of 31

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:lol: ^^^^^^^ yeah but tenaglia is such a prick half the crowd would leave right away

#558244Post 26 of 31

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[quote]In shock, I entered the half-empty mega-club. People were milling about drinking, chatting and dancing, but no one was particularly fixated on John Digweed. There was no "DJ is a God syndrome" where ravers stand in the center of the dance floor mesmerized by the DJs aura and sway back and forth screaming praises at every mix. It took me a while to comprehend the fact that John Digweed was just another DJ in London.[/quote]

doesn't look half empty to me.

[URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22901"]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22901[/URL]

i think her views are jaded. she sounds bitter about something.

[quote]Why do Americans empty their bank account each time a European DJ flies over the Atlantic? The answer may lie in the belief that most innovative music comes from Europe. A DJ is only a trendsetter if he's an import. Think about it. In NYC who packs the house a US$40 a head? Paul van Dyk, Tiesto, Sasha, Digweed and Carl Cox. Name one American DJ who can sell out a 3000 person venue on a Thursday night?[/quote] lets think here.

  1. it's drastically more expensive to bring someone from europe to the united states then bringing in domestic talent. therefore, the cover charge will reflect that.

  2. the dj's she mentioned gained there stardom at a pivitol point in dance music. all of those djs were involved in events and nights that would shape the future of the scene. does she really fucking think the only reason i like some of the dj's i do is because there not american? is she implying every american has some infatuation with people out side this country like they are some sort of foriegn super dj.

  3. europe stole dance. we did started it, they took it and made it better.

  4. american hip hop is big in the uk, is it my belief that the english ONLY likes these guys because they are american? no way. america is where hip hop thrives, naturally american hip hop holds the strongest influence.

  5. the united states doesn't have a talent that is head and shoulders above the rest. we resent that. we resent soccer because we suck ass and everyone else beats us. so we say fuck it, and look for something different. i believe firmly when america can boast having one of the best talents (and a very marketable person), dance music will pick up again.

her concepts were cutesy at first, but after further review, i'm certain she didn't think about the issues she wrote about fully.

#558254Post 27 of 31

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^^^^^ yeah cuz there was actually room to dance and she can't even dance:)

#558268Post 28 of 31

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its the same here in austria i´ve seen great dj´s for only 10€, seaman, fontaine, holden, väth, hawtin..... And even there people say to me "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? your going to pay 10 to 15€ to see a dj???

#558306Post 29 of 31

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[quote=buckman]what American Dj could fill a 3000 person room on a Thursday night??? Answer Deep Dish...ok thats two.I think individually they could do it.Steve Porter is another.[/quote]

maybe christopher lawrence?

#558312Post 30 of 31

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^^^lee hottie

#558317Post 31 of 31

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hmmm.

Fabric that night was pretty packed from my view point

There was little or no promotion, Bedrock & Digweed always fills a venue.

Its a Thursday dont forget & if it was Sat night then be far busier

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