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Grammy's add a Best Electronic/Dance album catagory

22 durable postsStarted 2004-07-23Latest 2006-07-27
#2178Post 1 of 22

did a search, couldn't find anything on this topic, so i thought i'd post it

[quote]PUTTING THE 'E' IN GRAMMY by Dennis Romero

At last, the biggest music awards adds a Best Electronic/Dance Album category

It?s about time the Grammy Awards recognized the electronic dance music revolution. DJ-driven music has been rocking dance floors since at least the ?70s, not to mention the digitally derived psychedelia unleashed by rave culture in the late ?80s. In 1997, the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences (NARAS) finally gave us Best Dance Recording and Best Remix singles categories. It was the year dance music broke. Still, long-playing albums have been overlooked or misdirected into odd categories. There is really no place for them. The rave and post-rave era produced epic long-players, many masterful and conceptual, by such innovators as the Orb, Aphex Twin, Orbital, the Chemical Brothers, Leftfield, Underworld, Lil? Louis, BT, and Masters at Work, but these acts didn?t even get the chance to reap the rewards of mainstream recognition and sales boosts a Grammy often brings.

This is about to change. Recently, the academy?s Board of Trustees approved a Best Electronic/Dance Album category for inclusion in the 2005 Grammy Awards. The thumbs-up gives momentous thrust to a scene once relegated to an insular world of underground parties, late-night clubbing, and smaller record labels.

?This is acknowledgment that electronic music is a viable form,? says e-music star BT (Brian Transeau). ?This is what we need as a community to move forward ? to get real, proper recognition.?

Transeau was nominated for the Los Angeles chapter?s Board of Governors about two years ago and immediately went to work lobbying for a Best Electronic/Dance Album. There had been rumblings in the past about adding such a category, particularly from academy member and dance music producer Carmen Rizzo. Now that BT was in an influential place, the two teamed up with other dance-crazed academy members such as Jason Bentley (KROQ-FM, KCRW-FM), SuzAnn Brantner (3 Artist Management), and Ken Jordan (the Crystal Method), came up with a proposal, and lobbied hard.

?Sometimes there will be a proposal presented three, four, or five times before the Awards and Nominations Committee feels we are ready for that,? explains Diane Theriot, senior vice president of awards for the academy.

?There was extraordinary resistance,? Transeau says. ?I think that there is a lack of seriousness by the people who have been involved in NARAS for years when it comes to dance music and electronic music.?

What he and the team did was make an undeniable case for dance music?s global cultural impact and huge industry receipts, including its omnipresence on television (NBC?s Las Vegas), in commercials (Hummer), and even on the silver screen (The Matrix series). In their proposal, he says, ?We had lots of facts and figures to back us up,? and the idea was adopted.

The next move for the loose group of dance advocates within the academy has been recruiting e-music producers, remixers, and label folks to join NARAS so the category can have a knowledgeable constituency. The singles categories (remix, dance recording) are a mixed bag in which winners are chosen more for their pop-chart familiarity than for their cutting-edge dance sounds. ?Beyonc? wasn?t the most compelling remix of the year, but it?s just that the voting body goes for what they know,? says Bentley of the ?03 remix beneficiary.

To avoid this, people like BT, Bentley, and Brantner began recruiting dance-industry heads at the annual insider retreat in Miami in March.

?The panel we did was to educate DJs and producers and artists about NARAS and to get people involved in this issue,? says Brantner. ?People in electronic music don?t even know what NARAS is. Our job now is to get people who make dance and electronic music to get involved. To get those people to vote.?

Another boost came two years ago when the academy put the dance music categories under their own ?field.? Voting members (about 14,000) usually are limited to nine fields, forcing them to look at areas where they have more expertise instead of migrating to sections like Best Remix, where they might not know who Masters at Work is.

?Everyone had to acknowledge,? says Bentley, ?that this movement has its own language and right to be seen, right up against everything from country to rock.?[/quote]

found that on the spundae message board, here's my response: personally, i think it's bullshit that the grammy's are having a new edm catagory. it's going to be another catagory for shit like j-lo, cher, gloria estefan, cindi lauper, janet jackson, lionel richie to try and get into. they never represent what is actually happening at the moment in any genre so how can we expect them to properly represent ours? i mean, come on, just look at the past winners (highlighted):

1998 - Dance Recording

[b]"Carry On," Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder[/b] "Da Funk," Daft Punk "Ooh Aah...Just a Little Bit," Gina G. "To Step Aside," Pet Shop Boys "Space Jam," Quad City's DJ's

1999 - Dance Recording

"When Will You Learn," Boy George "Around the World," Daft Punk "Heaven's What I Feel," Gloria Estefan "Disco Inferno," Cyndi Lauper [b]"Ray of Light," Madonna[/b]

2000 - Dance Recording

[b]"Believe" Cher[/b] "Don't Let This Moment End" Gloria Estefan "Praise You" Fatboy Slim "Waiting for Tonight" Jennifer Lopez "I Will Go with You (Con Te Partir?)" Donna Summer

2001

[b]"Who Let The Dogs Out," Baha Men[/b] (yes, they actually won) "Blue (Da Ba Dee)," Eiffel 65 "Be With You," Enrique Iglesias "Let's Get Loud," Jennifer Lopez "Natural Blues," Moby

2002 - Dance Recording

"One More Time," Daft Punk & Romanthony "I Feel Loved," Depeche Mode "Out of Nowhere," Gloria Estefan [b]"All for You," Janet Jackson[/b] "Angel," Lionel Richie

2003

Dance Recording

"Gotta Get Thru This," Daniel Bedingfield [b]"Days Go By," Dirty Vegas[/b] "Superstylin'," Groove Armada "Love at First Sight," Kylie Minogue "Hella Good," No Doubt

2004 - Dance Recording

"Love One Another," Cher "Easy," Groove Armada "Die Another Day," Madonna [b]"Come Into My World," Kylie Minogue[/b] "Breathe," T?l?popmusik featuring Angela McCluskey

and these are the people that are representing "dance" music. oh yeah, and the chemical brothers won the "best rock instrumental" in 1998. WTF?

simply, we don't need them.

#224112Post 2 of 22

stupid shit :roll:

#224118Post 3 of 22

This is.... outragous!!! Erase that shit from the face of the earth!!

#224128Post 4 of 22

those awards don't mean a goddamn thing, half of the judges don't even listen to the music they vote for, they look at charts showing how many cds the artist sold and that determines alot of the votes

#224178Post 5 of 22

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didnt Deep Dish win a grammy for the remix they did of a Dido track??

#224179Post 6 of 22

actually I liked that one for a while :) Extacy make you enjoy all kinds of things :oops:

#224184Post 7 of 22

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..........ridiculous.

#224185Post 8 of 22

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as is the dj list voting for the number one dj, its going to be a popularity contest.

you think Involver will get considered for this? I doubt it. It will be any shite tiesto, moby or oakey puts out. BOLLOCKS :EvilFlic: :EatMe:

#224197Post 9 of 22

best cd i've heard recently

Matthew Dear - Leave Luck to Heaven

now that deserves a grammy

#224252Post 10 of 22

[quote=tiddles]those awards don't mean a goddamn thing, half of the judges don't even listen to the music they vote for, they look at charts showing how many cds the artist sold and that determines alot of the votes[/quote]

exactly. Why the fuck should a shiny little knicknack validate the music? So BT's happy, he's one step closer to becoming a household pop name by being able to compete in an award that the public might become aware of.

#224518Post 11 of 22

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The Grammy's are a fucking joke for every category! The awards show is purposely there to market to suckers who don't know diddly [b]squat [/b]about real music. Seriously, I used to work in a CD shop and during the next few weeks following the Grammy's, many customers would specifically ask for the winners.

And besides, what exactly determines who the best artist or album is? Are these judges the number one experts in the world on music that can explain to me why this is considered the best? It's all subjective, peoples. :FuckOff: How in the world did Baha Men beat Moby anyhow?

The difference between the Grammy's and the Olympics is that you can't [b]measure[/b] how good a song is. You can measure how fast a runner can run or how fast a swimmer can swim, but you can't put a judgment call on music. What's music to some is trash to others, and vice versa.

#224522Post 12 of 22

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[quote=darin epsilon]The Grammy's are a fucking joke for every category! The awards show is purposely there to market to suckers who don't know diddly [b]squat [/b]about real music. Seriously, I used to work in a CD shop and during the next few weeks following the Grammy's, many customers would specifically ask for the winners.

And besides, what exactly determines who the best artist or album is? Are these judges the number one experts in the world on music that can explain to me why this is considered the best? It's all subjective, peoples. :FuckOff: How in the world did Baha Men beat Moby anyhow?

The difference between the Grammy's and the Olympics is that you can't [b]measure[/b] how good a song is. You can measure how fast a runner can run or how fast a swimmer can swim, but you can't put a judgment call on music. What's music to some is trash to others, and vice versa.[/quote]

Actually I think the number of sold singles/records might have somethign to do with how to calculate stuff..... but that sure as fucking hell ensures the most mainstream fucking piece of shit wins!

'BAAH! I listen to all kinds of music.... all kinds but mainstream. If people dont start apreciating all music I'm going to kill them or something. You can't believe the shit played in local clubs here......

#224547Post 13 of 22

Can?t see the point to be honest. Judging by the posted list it will be a load of shote anyhow.

#224578Post 14 of 22

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it'll be an award they don't show the presentation from and it'll be someone like sonique winning it.

#240394Post 15 of 22

"Believe" Cher :Laugh:

#240417Post 16 of 22

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ok so its a dance award, but why did they add the electronic next to it if the dont put some decent representatives from this gender grammy sucks, they just want to get more audience to the show :Wacko:

#240418Post 17 of 22

i think tiesto deserves the grammy for biggest wanker :Bingo:

#240502Post 18 of 22

I nominate Tiesto too!! :Bingo:

#677759Post 19 of 22

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The whole point of it is to make us all equals.... to make us consumers.......

#677762Post 20 of 22

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2 year old thread... the hell are you thinking? :NotMe:

#680700Post 21 of 22

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[quote=triggerb]"Believe" Cher :Laugh:[/quote] haha that tune was so Gay.... :Gay: Grammy smammy thats what i say..who cares.

#680728Post 22 of 22

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people. are you really that stupid. this is the country of NYSNC, 98 degrees, incubus, avirl lavange, american idol, POD, blink 182, and more. so mnay dumb morons who are brainwashed by MTV and Z100 that quality music will never be promoted as it should. head down to lower manhatten to any club, rock or house, and you will hear shit that is so far ahead of any of the crap on the TV or radio.

i.e. what do you expect? its not like james holden, bedrock, etc, will ever win an award for creativity, just whoever gets lucky enough to get a top 40 tune... shame.

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