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I don?t think this has been posted here yet, and it probably could be @ MercuryEngine, but I think it?s serious enough to be posted here and get as many people as possible aware about this.
So, read this and think before you buy your next Sony/BMG CD.
[URL="http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html"]http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html[/URL]
I think these guys have gone too far. :evil:
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wow, that's fucked up, I don't want that shit on my system. Sony sucks.
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I don't have to patience to read through all that guys detective work. Can you sum it up for us?
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Definitely. And it's only getting worse, because they will get your damn money no matter what it takes...
fucking vultures.
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Copy protected sony CDs now install a process which hides itself the way malware does, and constantly runs whether you have the cd in or it's builtin player launched or not. There is no metion of this in the EULA and no way to uninstall it. The blogger was able to hack it out of his system and it took down his cd-rom drive with it. They have a right to copyprotect this music, but not like this.
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two words. hd-dvd.
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Yay
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two words: mercury server
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That's pretty fucked up! And the record companies think we should be paying them more money for this?!
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Thats too much reading for me. However, Sony products are not my favortie. Apart from whatever else they do, Ive had many problems with their products.
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[FONT=Tahoma]been catching a lot of people blogging about this lately. some people tried to go after these files and it crashed windows. F' those bastards, they will screw up your computer and gladly sell you a new VAIO. [/FONT]
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One Word
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I don't really purchase Sony products to begin with which I guess is a good thing.....agreed this is definately too far....not cool at all.
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oh please, people who say apple are better are zombies who just jump on bandwagons whenever they see a pathetic ultra-cool marketing campaign.
Whether it's sony or apple or any other company, they're all after your money and they will use every trick to get it.
DRM is nothing new, sony have been talking about it for years, i don't see the facination in this all of a sudden...
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[quote] I checked the [URL="http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/sony-eula.htm"][COLOR=#043f77]EULA[/COLOR][/URL] and saw no mention of the fact that I was agreeing to have software put on my system that I couldn't uninstall. Now I was mad.[/quote]
:evil:
[quote] The entire experience was frustrating and irritating. Not only had Sony put software on my system that uses techniques commonly used by malware to mask its presence, the software is poorly written and provides no means for uninstall. Worse, most users that stumble across the cloaked files with a RKR scan will cripple their computer if they attempt the obvious step of deleting the cloaked files. [/quote]
:Boom: Sony
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I don't know if anyone else had this going through their mind when reading this but How the fuck does windows crash with someone that smart developing it for them ?
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[QUOTE=sono]oh please, people who say apple are better are zombies who just jump on bandwagons whenever they see a pathetic ultra-cool marketing campaign.
Whether it's sony or apple or any other company, they're all after your money and they will use every trick to get it.
DRM is nothing new, sony have been talking about it for years, i don't see the facination in this all of a sudden...[/QUOTE]
So...what is your REAL opinion on this...?
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heres link that explains it in easier terms (cos im a moron)
[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4400148.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4400148.stm[/URL]
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if anyone use "anydvd" it does not let the DRM rootkit install, also it lets you use whatever player you want and make all the copy's you want. [url]http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html[/url] I am not sure about "dvd region free", it may have something similiar.
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I don't really own any new sony cds anyways. But I will agree that did cross the line.
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Well considering the last sony brand cd I got was over two years ago. I don't think I have much to worry about on this matter. But truly that shit is just WRONG. And I really hope that the press get's ahold of this info.
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[FONT=Tahoma]here are some points that everyone should consider:[/FONT] [LIST=1] [*][FONT=Tahoma]Sony's installing this with their new CDs. What sort of wonderous things are coming with their CD/DVD burners, their computers, or other components? Can you trust Sony products to not report you to the music police? Do you dare ever buying anything Sony again?
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[*][FONT=Tahoma]If you read the sysinternals article, you'll notice that the rootkit creates a place to hide files from you and the OS. Now, how long will it be before someone exploits that with a worm/virus/etc? <----- THATS REALLY SCARY TO THINK ABOUT
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[*][FONT=Tahoma]Have you double checked your friendly DMCA lately?
US Law Title 17 section 1201: Circumvention of copyright protection systems (a) Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures.-- (1) (A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.[/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Tahoma]Know what that means? According to the DMCA, it's illegal to remove the rootkit.
According to the law, Sony is acting legally, and you, the consumer, are wrong, since Sony can do anything they want to protect their content. Including, according to the Honerable Senator Orrin Hatch, wrecking your computer. :roll:
that does it.... i'm never buying music again.[/FONT]
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well now i know not to buy those copy protected cd's (which i didn't even know existed anyway.)
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For those who use P2P progs like myself and have eva had an album they couldn't move or delete it's time to worry :Who:
Luckily iv'e formatted since i last had such a file/folder but iv'e had a few
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I'm going to continue to not buy music cd's after reading that. I've purchased over 1000 in my lifetime, they've gotten enough of my money. Grteedy bastards!
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damn.. i dont understand 99% of the things it says.... but reading from your posts yeah Sony has gone too far.. so far im thinking the article is fake... hope its fake!!
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OH it's not fake man, not at all, sorry to dissapoint you...
And me, i'll only pay for my downloaded music from the artists whose music i play out there, but no more cd's for me either until they will guarantee me they won't wreck my damn pc...
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[quote=Kobe]There is no metion of this in the EULA and no way to uninstall it[/quote] WRONG! Uninstall it: [URL="http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html"]http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html[/URL]
[quote=daveman][FONT=Tahoma] F' those bastards, they will screw up your computer and gladly sell you a new VAIO.[/quote]
Much like any other big company their divisions are seperated. The computing division has nothing to do with the entertainment one. As a matter of fact, I've heard that they often don't get along since one interest conflicts directly with the others. BTW there are other companies doing this too, Sonys not the only one. They were at least nice enough to come out with a removal tool (above). This has more to do with RIAA than Sony. Its just like with the Blu-Ray thing. They wouldn't be able to get the movie studios to pick up their technology if they didn't implement DRM. Its the main reason you will see HD-DVD lose this battle, since no movie studios will print on them so suddenly Blu-Ray will become the defacto standard.[/FONT]
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MP3 :lol:
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[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20051103/tc_nf/39083[/url]
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nice post Jenks. good read.
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[quote=Jenks][URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20051103/tc_nf/39083"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20051103/tc_nf/39083[/URL][/quote]
[quote]Sony ([URL="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/finance/nf/tc_nf/storytext/39083/16970029/*http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=sne&d=t"][COLOR=#003db8]NYSE: SNE[/COLOR][/URL] - [URL="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/biz/nf/tc_nf/storytext/39083/16970029/*http://biz.yahoo.com/n/s/sne.html"][COLOR=#003db8]news[/COLOR][/URL]) has admitted that it included a stealth rootkit on some music CDs shipped in 2005 and has issued an update to remove the hidden software one day after it was discovered. The company had drawn criticism from security experts who warned that the technology could serve as a tool for hackers.[/quote]
This is really scary that we try to protect ourselves as best as we can from malware and dirty software, then yet, one of the most respected companies would install files on yourcomputer without your permission. Then, within one day of somebody smart enough to find it, Sony sends out a patch to remove it. Very dirty business.
[quote]"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." [/quote]
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I'm going to give this a go when I get home...
[URL="http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/RootkitRevealer.html"]http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/RootkitRevealer.html[/URL]
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I use Sysinternals software for all sorts of shit... great software. Especially Regmon, Filemon, and AutoRuns. the dude is a fucking genious
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[quote=sono]oh please, people who say apple are better are zombies who just jump on bandwagons whenever they see a pathetic ultra-cool marketing campaign.
Whether it's sony or apple or any other company, they're all after your money and they will use every trick to get it.
DRM is nothing new, sony have been talking about it for years, i don't see the facination in this all of a sudden...[/quote]
ding ding ding.... we have a winner!!!!!, hes the first computer geek posting around this thread, give him his prize... y
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[quote=sono]oh please, people who say apple are better are zombies who just jump on bandwagons whenever they see a pathetic ultra-cool marketing campaign.
Whether it's sony or apple or any other company, they're all after your money and they will use every trick to get it.
DRM is nothing new, sony have been talking about it for years, i don't see the facination in this all of a sudden...[/quote]
ding ding ding.... we have a winner!!!!!, hes the first computer geek posting around this thread, give him his prize... you know everything way before it happens i guess, dont you?
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anyway i dont buy original cds 8)
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well maybe this will help in the battle that so many people are in against these companies. unfortunately for the big companies, hackers and crackers will always help us other folk to be able to get around anything those companies can do.
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[quote=neoee]WRONG! Uninstall it: [URL="http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html"]http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html[/URL][/font][/quote]
Whoa there cowboy, don't be so quick to issue your "WRONG!" comments.
First of all, it is indeed a fact that their music CDs install software without mention in the EULA.
Secondly, the link you posted is a RESPONSE to the bad press they've been recieving. Had their bullshit card not been pulled, they would have more than happily gone on with their scheme, so much for "nice enough."
FURTHERMORE, their "Service Pack" does not remove their software, but only the cloaking component. There is still no way to remove the software which runs all the time and consumes processor power.
you = WRONG! Try not being an ass about it next time, we are all friends here, there is no need for that tone [IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif[/IMG]
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[quote=Kobe]Whoa there cowboy, don't be so quick to issue your "WRONG!" comments.
First of all, it is indeed a fact that their music CDs install software without mention in the EULA.
Secondly, the link you posted is a RESPONSE to the bad press they've been recieving. Had their bullshit card not been pulled, they would have more than happily gone on with their scheme, so much for "nice enough."
FURTHERMORE, their "Service Pack" does not remove their software, but only the cloaking component. There is still no way to remove the software which runs all the time a consumes processor time.
you = WRONG! Try not being an ass about it next time, we are all friends here, there is no need for that tone [IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif[/IMG][/quote] Your comment was "no way to uninstall it", I provided the link thats shows otherwise, how were you not wrong? This thread was posted AFTER Sony came out with the service pack. Check Slashdot's archives if you don't believe me.
I quoted the complete sentence but had no problem with the EULA comment, just the "no way to uninstall it", which is completely false. Your right on the cloaking element, but once the files are visable they are removable too.
There are other companies doing this and its been known for some time, this is nothing new, most of them without EULAs at all. Yes, Sonys coming under pressure has probably pushed them to come out with the tool, but I do consider this 'nice' since I can almost guarentee you won't see the same from other companies. This DRM technique (one of the many) was made by xcp-aurora and who knows how many other companies are licensed to use it.
Personally I'm glad this has brought about so much awareness. Maybe people will start to take interest in DRM, Broadcast Flags, etc, and what it means to future products.
You read too much into my "tone", I just get annoyed when people state things as fact when their not. No need to :MadNow:.