Go out and get a normal job like everyone else does when their industry goes though a lean phaze. And stop fuck whinging on Facebook. Clubs will return, there will be future opportunities for new promotors and new artists.If you can't weather the stom, start stacking shelves and come back later, you're not guaranteed a job for life. And stop predending that you give 2 shits about your staff, because you don't.

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Next time there’s a lockdown, nobody is allowed to watch Netflix, Amazon Prime or any other platform. You must NOT listen to music or read a book. Free online concerts from the biggest stars in the world? Nope, they’re out too. Learn an instrument? Banned Dance Classes? No Spotify? No Entertainment at any event? Nope Gaming? Unless it is in silence...no How about listen to an audiobook? Not a chance! The UK Government have ordained the Arts as unskilled and, therefore, of no value. Now imagine life without us [URL="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/supportthearts?eep=6&cft[0]=AZWfSallSBR4Z28r0vRAuJTY3R4efMpJwkRsxuERW5tmw0rqQIRIDeGxmichDhmW_DW50aMhJPE-hiqe3Xw3IUMUiP9u4FqZyL7iC6eDZahnjuQfIIiHWNg9Psx9qKxcbHn2YuOaJPr8ekgPE5ktr5YUFg-SvKqIzRxSsvH_RaIlZax3ZtTzcPsK8geApg5ZxjE&tn=*NK-R"]#SupportTheArts[/URL] [URL="https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/savethearts?eep=6&cft[0]=AZWfSallSBR4Z28r0vRAuJTY3R4efMpJwkRsxuERW5tmw0rqQIRIDeGxmichDhmW_DW50aMhJPE-hiqe3Xw3IUMUiP9u4FqZyL7iC6eDZahnjuQfIIiHWNg9Psx9qKxcbHn2YuOaJPr8ekgPE5ktr5YUFg-SvKqIzRxSsvH_RaIlZax3ZtTzcPsK8geApg5ZxjE&tn=*NK-R"]#savethearts[/URL]

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Personally I support the arts. They have a job and an incredibly important one !!! And it should be treated like a job. Every one gets to whinge when they lose their job !:)

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Yes, but greedy promoters asking for government hand outs is something else.

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No one has the right to have a career or live their life as a DJ, Promotor, Ballet Dancer, Clown, Puppet Master.........

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So, not for arguments sake btw, how do you feel about your mate Danny not having any income for what is now touching a year and it's looking like it's going to be a lot longer before clubbing is a safe option for everyone ?

Fact, the DWP categorize a DJ as a viable job yet the tory government has bailed out just about everyone else apart from the entertainment industry which is viable considering what I've just said. The entertainment industry contributes something like 66 billion pounds each year but this scum of a government hasn't put a penny their way in return ( with a few excursions ).

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1230093]So, not for arguments sake btw, how do you feel about your mate Danny not having any income for what is now touching a year and it's looking like it's going to be a lot longer before clubbing is a safe option for everyone ?

Fact, the DWP categorize a DJ as a viable job yet the tory government has bailed out just about everyone else apart from the entertainment industry which is viable considering what I've just said. The entertainment industry contributes something like 66 billion pounds each year but this scum of a government hasn't put a penny their way in return ( with a few excursions ).[/QUOTE]

Yes, if he has no money, he should go out and get a job like everyone else does. Hopefully, he realized that a DJ career could end at any moment and capitalized on his popularity at the time. I will be out of work next year after a career of 25 years, do you think Danny will be saying that the government should pay my salary until the end of time?

These companies that were furloughed will still have to pay the money back in the future. Did you not read the small print? BTW everyone was furloughed, even the entertainment industry, they were just not furloughed till the end of time.

You don't prop up a job just because it is considered viable. Is it OK for me to stack shelves but not Carl Cox? Sasha may have made millions, so, he should not have to do any other job than be a DJ, while other take the first job that they have to, to feed their kids

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1230095]Yes, if he has no money, he should go out and get a job like everyone else does. Hopefully, he realized that a DJ career could end at any moment and capitalized on his popularity at the time. I will be out of work next year after a career of 25 years, do you think Danny will be saying that the government should pay my salary until the end of time?

These companies that were furloughed will still have to pay the money back in the future. Did you not read the small print? BTW everyone was furloughed, even the entertainment industry, they were just not furloughed till the end of time.[/QUOTE]

Some of the entertainment was furloughed yea but not all of it and yea I know it has to be paid back. Many people in the music industry also have jobs too but for the purpose of this discussion I'm using an example of people who are reaching between 45 and 60 years old competing with people of youth for jobs in places like McDonalds and Tesco, it's just not going to happen for them. It's not as if their career path has anything else to offer with regards to things like their CVs. I can hardly see Danny walking into a multi million pound company and asking for a managerial job with his CV can you ?

I never once said that the government should pay these guys for the rest of their days but like most people they have contributed to the tax system in some ways more than the average Joe and yet they've been left out to a degree ( I think the offer was 20% of their income )

My sister was furloughed too, she is the manager of a small local club in my town but the trouble is that furlough is stopping 31st Oct as well as the 31st also being the deadline for Brexit, man those Tesco jobs are going to have a lot of applicants because the way we're heading right now the whole country is poised on whether companies can afford to keep the vast majority of their staff in employment.

BTW just out of curiosity have you ever seen how many people apply for 1 job in McDonalds ?

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1230096]Some of the entertainment was furloughed yea but not all of it and yea I know it has to be paid back. Many people in the music industry also have jobs too but for the purpose of this discussion I'm using an example of people who are reaching between 45 and 60 years old competing with people of youth for jobs in places like McDonalds and Tesco, it's just not going to happen for them. It's not as if their career path has anything else to offer with regards to things like their CVs. I can hardly see Danny walking into a multi million pound company and asking for a managerial job with his CV can you ?

I never once said that the government should pay these guys for the rest of their days but like most people they have contributed to the tax system in some ways more than the average Joe and yet they've been left out to a degree ( I think the offer was 20% of their income )

My sister was furloughed too, she is the manager of a small local club in my town but the trouble is that furlough is stopping 31st Oct as well as the 31st also being the deadline for Brexit, man those Tesco jobs are going to have a lot of applicants because the way we're heading right now the whole country is poised on whether companies can afford to keep the vast majority of their staff in employment.

BTW just out of curiosity have you ever seen how many people apply for 1 job in McDonalds ?[/QUOTE]

I am the same age as Danny (45+). Is it OK for me to work minimum wage but not him because he was once a DJ?

OK pay me for the next 10 years, I will be happy. Times have changed, careers have to change, most DJ's will have never worked a 40 hour week in their life. 40 Hour weeks is the real world. Feleling sorry for people that may have earned million's but that option is no longer there for them, sorry, no.

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1230097]I am the same age as Danny (45+). Is it OK for me to work minimum wage but not him because he was once a DJ?

OK pay me for the next 10 years, I will be happy. Times have changed, careers have to change, most DJ's will have never worked a 40 hour week in their life. 40 Hour weeks is the real world. Felling sorry for people that may have earned million's but that option is no longer there for them, sorry, no.[/QUOTE]

the difference is you have something viable on your CV, they don't

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1230099]the difference is you have something viable on your CV, they don't[/QUOTE]

No, my industry is fucked too.

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1230100]No, my industry is fucked too.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry to hear that Chris but I reckon with 25 years in the same job you'll walk straight into another one should one arise that you're interested in.

You've obviously never claimed universal credit have you ? They ask all sort of questions about experience and what you want to work as etc etc, it's not as easy to claim that shit now, my point is that once you've been in the same job for god knows how long it's hard to see doing anything different.

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No, I will be in the same position as the 5,000 other people in my area, no one will be walking into anything, however I do not feel it appropriate to give hand outs to people that have had the opportunities to earn millions.

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You obviously have something to pay the bills with then which is a good thing but I think your a bit disillusioned by how much money is in the music business. It's not mega money for a lot of DJs/artists, certainly not potentially millions ( although for some it is ), many of these guys have worked for years just to make enough to pay basic bills such as rent/mortgages, put food on the table and other things like bring up kids etc etc. A sudden loss of that income has left a lot of them completely fucked, the potential to loose their homes etc so I don't blame them for asking for help and imo nor should you.

Each case is different that's for sure though.

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1230104]You obviously have something to pay the bills with then which is a good thing but I think your a bit disillusioned by how much money is in the music business. It's not mega money for a lot of DJs/artists, certainly not potentially millions ( although for some it is ), many of these guys have worked for years just to make enough to pay basic bills such as rent/mortgages, put food on the table and other things like bring up kids etc etc. A sudden loss of that income has left a lot of them completely fucked, the potential to loose their homes etc so I don't blame them for asking for help and imo nor should you.

Each case is different that's for sure though.[/QUOTE]

They should not be treated differently to anyone else. I don't believe any DJ is on minimum wage, but they are the ones moaning the most, or promotors like Dave Beer or Yousef. Should a coal miner still be paid when the mine has run dry, or should they look for a different trade?

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1230105]They should not be treated differently to anyone else. I don't believe any DJ is on minimum wage, but they are the ones moaning the most, or promotors like Dave Beer or Yousef. Should a coal miner still be paid when the mine has run dry, or should they look for a different trade?[/QUOTE] you have a point to a degree but are you saying the coal miners sat down and watched the industry go to pieces right before their eyes ? we're not talking about something that destroys the planet here, miners was a bad example. These people are, like the miners, fighting for their jobs, their industry.

I can totally see it from your POV as well, I mean some of these guys are making good wedge sometimes and probably for those that aren't wise are spending recklessly which has lead to you shouting on an internet abyss/forum but the reality is that a lot of the people who are quite vocal about this are not exactly the highest paid artists in the game.

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Interesting debate.

For Dj’s with any kind of following - this year (more or less) presents an opportunity to: increase your following, create new mixes, release old mixes, write new music, sell your music to an enormous captive audience. If none of them learned their lessons from the 2007/8 recession then perhaps 2 lessons will do the trick. Save your $, have a plan b, be creative.

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Fuck me, even Sasha has wadded in now. Rich DJ's crying Save Our Scene. And don't get me started on the sycophants.

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The majority of jobs in nightclubs aren’t really skilled jobs or high paying. Bar jobs tend to be done by students looking for income while studying. The people moaning about this the most are the high earners in clubland, the Dj’s, the promoters and the agents, all of which should accept that they may have to start a new career path, even if it is for a short period of time. People don’t have the right to be in their chosen profession for life. If you’re in a job that you love, or pays you a good income, great, but you don’t have the right to that forever.

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Fuck me, Lawler and Seaman are crying now.

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Think it’s more the way of life that all these DJ’s and promoters have became accustomed to that is hurting them the most.

the top end guys have surely made their money but it’s the weekly lifestyle that they are missing.

I understand what you are saying Chris and we all need to adjust at this time, including them

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They always talk about how lucky and fortunate they are to be in the position to Dj for a living - it’s not as of that luck can’t run out for a yr or 2. Actors go through multiple periods of 5 yrs at a time without work before catching another break - you gotta have a backup or plan b or c nowadays - that’s reality.

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1230226]Fuck me, Lawler and Seaman are crying now.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't mind reading those :)

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[QUOTE=DIDI;1230245]Wouldn't mind reading those :)[/QUOTE]

I would like to see some of them pulling a 12 hours shift in an Amazon warehouse.

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Damn I thought you were going to give me a link. :)

So would I actually.

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[QUOTE=DIDI;123024]

So would I actually.[/QUOTE]

Probably make a great reality TV show. 'I'm a DJ Get Me Outta Here!' Today Sander will making furniture, Seaman will be on a fishing trawler and Lawler will be fitting carpets.

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:lol:

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This was Sasha’s

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It's ridiculous to see what some politicians have said about the UK nightlife industry. The attitude seems to be that it is throw away & non essential. These so called leaders telling hundreds of thousands to retrain is so fucking condescending and assumes nightlife is never coming back.

Nightlife not only adds billions to the UK economy but brings joy to peoples lives. The failure to understand this, means we stand to lose cultural institutions, venues, a highly skilled workforce & a huge amount of tourism.

I can't comprehend a world without nightlife music culture so I'm calling on the UK Government to reconsider giving crucial support to the 5th biggest UK sector.

This industry is built by so many hard workers with passion from artists to door staff, who view their jobs not just as work but as a lifestyle. I have the utmost respect for everyone who works in this industry & to the fans who spend their money in this economy to experience moments of joy.

If you love this scene like I do, get involved, sign the petition, write to your local MP, use your voice on social media to make it impossible to ignore us: [url]https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/332789[/url]

#WeAreViable #LetusDance #Weemakeevents #Lettheemusicplay #savethearts

📷: First Light Media [/QUOTE]

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The big DJs are saying 'save our scene' so they can continue to get hefty fees. If they want to save it so much they could cut their fee by 80% to allow clubs to get back on their feet when things start to return bit by bit.

Any career is fickle and a risk - especially the arts. You can be flavour of the month one year and dropped like a stone the next. Actors can't guarantee work.

It's great people are doing what they love and get paid for it - but there is a risk to that too, including someone younger and better comes along. Sometimes you have to do other work to pay the bills, also quite a few people have come from privileged families, where they haven't had to get a proper job.

The reality is people in the arts have to find a different way to monetise what they do or, god forbid, do some things they would have turned their nose up at. Taking Danny as an example - he could run an online DJ course, do 1-1 tuition, run music production courses, be a ghost writer, or work with someone that wants to learn producing on a track that the other person releases in their name.

The other reality is all these 'support the scene' and petition posting people can start paying for their music, stop downloading illegally and pay subscriptions like they do with Netflix, Sky, HBO etc.

The smaller artists are the ones suffering most - they don't get paid a lot because tracks don't sell a lot. Not because they are not good tracks - when you put up a releases there are 100s of file sharing sites ripped labels and artists off. And no way to get these things taken down. The artists I know having to look for work aren't whinging and bitching about it - they know the reality.

Fatboy Slim weighing in on this is a joke - he's earned a fortune for average DJ sets. He's made a career out of sampling other peoples ideas. Then the B Madonna chimes in ... at least the poor mixers are being spared her heavy handed treatment for a while. Then other privileged kids moaning because they may have to do a real job for a bit.

If they want a handout then at least do some work for it - helping the elderly, working on community projects, doing something to help the homeless etc. Don't expect to be paid for sitting on your arse.

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This is a great watch

[url]https://www.documentarytube.com/videos/the-story-of-anvil[/url]

If your music career doesn't work out, then you have to get a shitty job, but can still keep the dream alive.

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[QUOTE=simonr;1230261]This is a great watch

[URL]https://www.documentarytube.com/videos/the-story-of-anvil[/URL]

If your music career doesn't work out, then you have to get a shitty job, but can still keep the dream alive.[/QUOTE]

I watched this a few years back, it is a great watch.

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[QUOTE=simonr;1230260] If they want a handout then at least do some work for it - helping the elderly, working on community projects, doing something to help the homeless etc. Don't expect to be paid for sitting on your arse.[/QUOTE]

I said that last night in a conversation.

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Being self employed you should always plan for a rainy day. Be prepared for what life throws at you be it work related or personal. Have something to get you by either skills or finance.

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Some top cuntery from Hannah Wants

[QUOTE] If the government think they can tell me to re-train and find another career path they can go get fucked, THIS is what I do. Music is my purpose. I’ma see you in the rave ASAfuckingP beautifuls, let’s fight. [/QUOTE]

#HannahWants #HannahsNotGetting

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^ lol what a bellend she sounds. Music is my purpose? Wtf. Boris should make sure she gets no money at all and then she can see how far she’ll get with that ‘purpose’

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I'm really interested in this. But I haven't seen any of the moaning etc. If anyone has any links I would really appreciate it Ta. :)

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[QUOTE=DIDI;1230342]I'm really interested in this. But I haven't seen any of the moaning etc. If anyone has any links I would really appreciate it Ta. :)[/QUOTE]

You might want to nip over to Hannah’s FB page. It’s full of sycophants.

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Well thanks for nothing

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1230312]Some top cuntery from Hannah Wants

#HannahWants #HannahsNotGetting[/QUOTE]

What strikes me is people in the arts come across as privileged and not wanting to do the de-meaning jobs that their followers do. A pure sense of entitlement .. whether that be from having grown up in a well to do family and never having to work hard, or moving away from being working class and now looking down on their roots as unseemly.

What is the Hannah Wants' expectation .. a government handout because she can't DJ for £5k plus a night because she wants to sit on her arse at home, instead of looking for alternative work or being creative to monetise what she does in other ways ?

There are few bigger cunts in the arts than Sam Smith and his quarantine meltdown while being a prisoner in his luxury £12m house

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8130433/Sam-Smith-goes-stages-quarantine-meltdown-self-isolation.html[/URL]

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They’re really milking the whole mental health issue too.

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It's funny how these artists associate Music with Money. Some artists greatest work was written when they had no money.