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Coronavirus

77 durable postsStarted 2020-03-17Latest 2020-04-05
#1794869Post 41 of 77

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[QUOTE=Amber;1224217]Curious..... don't you still have to pat dry or do you just air dry? [/QUOTE]

Probably TMI but the spray from the bidet can oscillate for a more thorough clean, and there an (ineffectual) air dryer as DIDI mentioned. I use a square of toilet paper to confirm the all-clean and towel dry with my bath towel. It's not like we stopped buying toilet paper :lol: but we definitely use way less. Also, the bidets generally have a front spray for women too. Oh and the best thing about these Japanese-stye bidets—the seats are warm and they feel great in winter.

#1794870Post 42 of 77

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[QUOTE=kolakao;1224286]coronavirus is hoax, it's more about economy and pushing new law to control people more and more[/QUOTE]

While I don't doubt the virus is real, I also don't doubt there will be opportunists who use this to indeed push new laws. Just look at that Patroit Act.

Here we go: [URL="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023"]DOJ seeks new emergency powers amid coronavirus pandemic - POLITICO[/URL]

The Justice Department has quietly asked Congress for the ability to ask chief judges to detain people indefinitely without trial during emergencies — part of a push for new powers that comes as the novel coronavirus spreads throughout the United States.

Documents reviewed by POLITICO detail the department’s requests to lawmakers on a host of topics, including the statute of limitations, asylum and the way court hearings are conducted. POLITICO also reviewed and previously reported on documents seeking the authority to extend deadlines on merger reviews and prosecutions.

A Justice Department spokesperson declined to comment on the documents.

The move has tapped into a broader fear among civil liberties advocates and Donald Trump’s critics — that the president will use a moment of crisis to push for controversial policy changes. Already, he has cited the pandemic as a reason for heightening border restrictions and restricting asylum claims. He has also pushed for further tax cuts as the economy withers, arguing it would soften the financial blow to Americans. And even without policy changes, Trump has vast emergency powers that he could deploy right now to try to slow the coronavirus outbreak.

The DOJ requests — which are unlikely to make it through a Democratic-led House — span several stages of the legal process, from initial arrest to how cases are processed and investigated.

In one of the documents, the department proposed that Congress grant the attorney general power to ask the chief judge of any district court to pause court proceedings “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation.”

The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress. In making the case for the change, the DOJ wrote that individual judges can currently pause proceedings during emergencies but that their proposal would make sure all judges in any particular district could handle emergencies “in a consistent manner.”

The request raised eyebrows because of its potential implications for habeas corpus — the constitutional right to appear before a judge after arrest and seek release.

“Not only would it be a violation of that, but it says ‘affecting pre-arrest,’” said Norman L. Reimer, executive director of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. “So that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. I find it absolutely terrifying. Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.”

Reimer said the possibility of chief judges suspending all court rules during an emergency without a clear end in sight was deeply disturbing.

“That is something that should not happen in a democracy,” he said.

The department also asked Congress to pause the statute of limitations for criminal investigations and civil proceedings during national emergencies, “and for one year following the end of the national emergency,” according to the draft legislative text.

Trump recently declared the coronavirus crisis a national emergency.

Another controversial request: The department is looking to change the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure in some cases to expand the use of videoconference hearings and to let some of those hearings happen without defendants’ consent, according to the draft legislative text.

“Video teleconferencing may be used to conduct an appearance under this rule,” read a draft of potential new language for Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 5(f), crossing out the phrase “if the defendant consents.”

“Video teleconferencing may be used to arraign a defendant,” read draft text of rule 10(c), again striking out the phrase “if the defendant consents.”

Reimer said forcing people to have hearings over video rather than in person would threaten civil liberties.

“If it were with the consent of the accused person it would be fine,” he said. “But if it’s not with the consent of the accused person, it’s a terrible road to go down. We have a right to public trials. People have a right to be present in court.”

The department also wants Congress to change the law to explicitly say that people with COVID-19 — the illness caused by the novel coronavirus — are not included among those who may apply for asylum. And the department asked for the same change regarding people who are “subject to a presidential proclamation suspending and limiting the entry of aliens into the United States,” according to the draft legislative language.

Layli Miller-Muro, the CEO of the Tahirih Justice Center, which advocates for women and girls fleeing violence, said the language would block anyone on a presidential travel ban list from seeking asylum in the U.S.

“I think it’s a humanitarian tragedy that fails to recognize that vulnerable people from those countries are among the most persecuted and that protecting them is exactly what the refugee convention was designed to do,” she said.

The asylum request comes as the Trump administration says it will begin denying entry to all migrants illegally crossing the U.S. southern border, including those seeking asylum.

“I hope we come out of this with a sense of oneness, interconnectedness,” Miller-Munro said of the coronavirus pandemic. “Borders can’t protect us. Viruses do not care.”

#1794871Post 43 of 77

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Yeah, it's happening here as well. It would be really interesting for everyone to admit what they thought was real information and it proved to be wrong. Mine was the story that people were hiring buses to go to regional centres and strip the shelvers of the supermarkets Seem like none of the supermarkets heard about it. :lol:

#1794872Post 44 of 77

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So Henry Saiz did a livestream and this is what you get when you click on the link

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Not really in the spirit of things at the moment Henry :lol:

#1794910Post 45 of 77

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Current state of USA debate on COVID response...

Economists vs. Scientists

Any guess as to who will win?

#1794911Post 46 of 77

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Let's see if they'll loosen the social distancing thing :lol:

#1794915Post 47 of 77

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[QUOTE=AchtungBaby!;1224242]

We as a specie maybe will be a tiny better once this ends... maybe![/QUOTE]

This is no working well worldwide so far.. Very shout out to those bunch of humans who keeps this fucked up world alive though, what a titanic and ungrateful vocation.

#teamanimals :lol:

#1794918Post 48 of 77

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This Nobel prize winner has some interesting facts for us :)

[url="https://www.theage.com.au/national/nobel-prize-winner-says-virus-curve-will-flatten-in-couple-of-weeks-20200324-p54dib.html"]https://www.theage.com.au/national/nobel-prize-winner-says-virus-curve-will-flatten-in-couple-of-weeks-20200324-p54dib.html[/url]

#1794919Post 49 of 77

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Just in case you hit a paywall :)

Peter Doherty won the Nobel prize in medicine for his work on the immune system. "I'm a disease and death guy," is how he explains it to the lay person. So he knows his science. And he isn't afraid to criticise governments that don't respect it. Climate science, for instance.

So what does the eminent Melbourne-based immunologist think of the Australian responses to the coronavirus so far? "Basically, government is stepping up to the plate," he says. The federal government, he quips, is "fit for purpose for a short-term emergency - they're quick to lock people up."

The strict new measures will not produce any instant slowdown in the number of reported cases, he expects. The number of new infections detected in Australia has accelerated exponentially. It was doubling every five or six days a couple of weeks ago. It's now doubling every three days. "We may see an upward trajectory for another week - a lot of the people on Bondi may have been infected," says Doherty, who literally wrote the book on the topic - "Pandemics: What Everyone Needs to Know" - in 2013. But he expects that the measures introduced this week will work: "With a lag of a week or so, because the average time to [display] symptoms is five to six days and maybe longer," and only people showing symptoms have been allowed tests so far.

So a short-term surge is already baked in. "I think the steps announced by the Prime Minister and the premiers will dampen this down. I would expect to see the curve flatten in the next couple of weeks, see it start to come down," he says. Governments have said that they aim to "flatten the curve", meaning to slow the rate of new infections, by controlling gatherings, closing non-essential businesses and ordering social distancing. "That will mean a lot more people will survive because they will have access to ventilators and proper clinical care over the next 12 to 18 months" in the intensive care wards of the hospital system while awaiting the arrival of a vaccine. Professor Doherty cites the example of the effectiveness of such measures in US state of Washington. It was the site of the first big outbreak of COVID-19 in America.

But after Governor Jay Inslee imposed the same social controls as the Morrison government has announced, plus closing the schools, some 10 days ago, the outbreak appears to have been brought in check: "They expected a big surge in cases, but nothing came." Doherty has been pleased with the intensification of testing in Australia in recent days. "It's now a matter of time, of numbers and of human behaviour", says Doherty, patron of the Doherty Institute at the University of Melbourne. Professor Doherty, who trained as a vet, is involved in strategy and advice on the research effort, including the search for a vaccine.

On government support for urgent new research, he says: "Federal and state governments are doing pretty much everything asked of them to drive this research, clinical and diagnostic effort forward." The Doherty Institute, one of the world's research leaders and the first lab outside China to decode the COVID-19's structure and distribute the data to labs worldwide, has received federal and state funding for research and "a lot of money" from private donors and philanthropists, he says. Important donors include the Chinese Australian community, the Ramsay Foundation, Chinese billionaire Jack Ma of Alibaba who gave $US3.2 million, and an anonymous donor who gave $1 million. "We are moving faster on this than on anything in human history. One vaccine in the US is already on trial, it's already gone into people's arms, and the University of Queensland vaccine is being progressed here and with CSIRO," he said. "Batches are being made by CSIRO now on a scale that will allow us to move rapidly to animal trials and then human trials." Indeed, says Professor Doherty, "it's already in animals and is progressing well".

The US and Australian vaccines "are two completely different technologies, very new, and there are many more being trialled around the world." New ideas are being offered every day, he says.

Testing of any new vaccines is needed, even though it will slow the process, says Doherty. "There's some concern that if we don't tailor this right, you might make it worse in some conditions, so there has to be careful testing." Expert opinion commonly specifies a 12 to 18-month wait for an effective vaccine to be widely available. "I'm hopeful that we in the global community could be quicker, but that might just be my optimism." Other urgent clinical work is needed, not just a vaccine, he says. For example, "we need a rapid antibody test for people who've had the virus and recovered".

Why? Because such people, who may not have shown any symptoms and not know that they've had the virus, "are perfectly okay to go out and work and live and do anything - they won't spread the disease". Some 20-30 per cent of the population probably will fall into this category eventually. They could constitute an speedily available workforce and alleviate the economic problem. And once you have people who've recovered, "you can bleed them, separate off their serum, and give that serum back to vulnerable people". It can be used as a preventative measure to protect people from the virus, so-called "passive immunisation," while a vaccine is still being developed. While Professor Doherty is deeply involved in all this lab work, he isn't in the lab himself. He's working from home. "People like me, 79 years old and with high blood pressure, still have to be very, very careful." He should know.

#1794930Post 50 of 77

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Americans --- we have a relief PACKAGE :-)

#1794940Post 51 of 77

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[QUOTE=Weizy;1224424]Americans --- we have a relief PACKAGE :-)[/QUOTE]

It hasn't been signed yet.

#1794941Post 52 of 77

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[QUOTE=ddr;1224434]It hasn't been signed yet.[/QUOTE]

True, but it’ll get done. It has to!

#1794964Post 53 of 77

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[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html"]Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety [/URL]

Thanks to agent orange.

#1794966Post 54 of 77

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[QUOTE=Weizy;1224435]True, but it’ll get done. It has to![/QUOTE]

the stimulus isnt going to do jack shit as a whole. and when the funds are needed by people now, they wont get anything until May.. at that is at the earliest. $1,200 per person is a joke and it just sheds light on the government not taking scientist's and experts knowledge to heart and realizing this shit wont be over by April. i do agree we need something but this is nothing compared to what we need in reality. the unemployment piece is good. almost 3.2 million unemployed in a matter of weeks, there is no easy flick of a switch for this one.

this is only the beginning of it, and with trumps delayed bullshit and downplaying it in the beginning.. we missed a huge boat for stopping the spread early. now it is just playing catch up.

stay safe out there everyone, ignore our President, and read the facts.

#1794967Post 55 of 77

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^^ Your stimulus is very similar to our stimulus , both have delayed payments.

Donald Trump certainly hasn't done you any favours. :(

#1794981Post 56 of 77

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#1794983Post 57 of 77

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Hope everyone is in good health

I've been of the radar. Kids at home, the missus out of work now - it's frightening how each and everyone of us is being effected by it

Look after yourselves folks

#1794987Post 58 of 77

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[QUOTE=ddr;1224463]the stimulus isnt going to do jack shit as a whole. and when the funds are needed by people now, they wont get anything until May.. at that is at the earliest. $1,200 per person is a joke and it just sheds light on the government not taking scientist's and experts knowledge to heart and realizing this shit wont be over by April. i do agree we need something but this is nothing compared to what we need in reality. the unemployment piece is good. almost 3.2 million unemployed in a matter of weeks, there is no easy flick of a switch for this one.

this is only the beginning of it, and with trumps delayed bullshit and downplaying it in the beginning.. we missed a huge boat for stopping the spread early. now it is just playing catch up.

stay safe out there everyone, ignore our President, and read the facts.[/QUOTE]

Did I read that correctly that for any individual who filed for income over $75K (and families $150K) you get $50 less for every X amount over those thresholds?

#1794988Post 59 of 77

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[QUOTE=Micko;1224481]Hope everyone is in good health

I've been of the radar. Kids at home, the missus out of work now - it's frightening how each and everyone of us is being effected by it

Look after yourselves folks[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Micko. What is your wife's occupation?

My wife's dental office has suspended operations so she's lost her full income, but luckily she is getting about 50% of her income from unemployment now...

#1794989Post 60 of 77

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[QUOTE=Weizy;1224486]Did I read that correctly that for any individual who filed for income over $75K (and families $150K) you get $50 less for every X amount over those thresholds?[/QUOTE]

that is correct, and i think individuals get nothing if they had made >150k gross (doubled for married or domestic partnerships) on their most recently filed tax return (i believe 2018-2019 tax years are the looking glass). so say for example a contractor made >150k and now is out of work.. he or she would get nothing. hopefully they paid enough into unemployment so they can get that benefit under the stimulus but no stimulus check.

#1794990Post 61 of 77

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gotta love America.. the land of corporate freedom and individual asylum

"The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a sweeping suspension of its enforcement of environmental laws Thursday, telling companies they would not need to meet environmental standards during the coronavirus outbreak.

The temporary policy, for which the EPA has set no end date, would allow any number of industries to skirt environmental laws, with the agency saying it will not “seek penalties for noncompliance with routine monitoring and reporting obligations.”

[url="https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/489753-epa-suspends-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus"]EPA suspends enforcement of environmental laws amid coronavirus | TheHill[/url]

#1794991Post 62 of 77

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^so its a bandaid for a bullethole! In the immortal words of our president, SAD!

Here's a so-called calculator to figure out how much you and yours will receive:

[url="https://www.omnicalculator.com/finance/stimulus-payment"]Omni Calculator logo[/url]

#1794992Post 63 of 77

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the US is an expensive country to keep afloat .. it almost seems like they are trying to save the world economy along the way

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fppc7v/oc_where_the_money_goes_in_the_us_senates_2t/[/URL]

I track here [URL]https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/03/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/[/URL]

For anyone in Cali, this a good tool. [URL]https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2020/03/20/map-how-many-covid-19-cases-in-santa-cruz-county-california/[/URL]

#1795002Post 64 of 77

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[QUOTE=ddr;1224489]gotta love America.. the land of corporate freedom and individual asylum

"The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a sweeping suspension of its enforcement of environmental laws Thursday, telling companies they would not need to meet environmental standards during the coronavirus outbreak.

The temporary policy, for which the EPA has set no end date, would allow any number of industries to skirt environmental laws, with the agency saying it will not “seek penalties for noncompliance with routine monitoring and reporting obligations.”

[url="https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/489753-epa-suspends-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus"]EPA suspends enforcement of environmental laws amid coronavirus | TheHill[/url][/QUOTE]

this is a Trump wet dream!

#1795008Post 65 of 77

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Everybody stay safe and we will see a better day soon of the virus.

#1795011Post 66 of 77

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[QUOTE=go0gle;1224491]the US is an expensive country to keep afloat .. it almost seems like they are trying to save the world economy along the way

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fppc7v/oc_where_the_money_goes_in_the_us_senates_2t/[/URL]

I track here [URL]https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/03/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/[/URL]

For anyone in Cali, this a good tool. [URL]https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2020/03/20/map-how-many-covid-19-cases-in-santa-cruz-county-california/[/URL][/QUOTE] \

Save the world economy??? you have got to be Joking!!! They are fucking us all. !!:evil: With a little bit of help From Boris and Scotty from marketing !!

#1795027Post 67 of 77

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Even in these challenging times i find heartwarming all of those animals popping up on at the desert streets and there is even the sighting of some species in danger of extinction.. Very fair to them.

#1795028Post 68 of 77

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[QUOTE=DIDI;1224512]\

Save the world economy??? you have got to be Joking!!! They are fucking us all. !!:evil: With a little bit of help From Boris and Scotty from marketing !![/QUOTE]

I meant that they are trying to keep afloat an already broken system. They should probably let it reset, but "kicking the can down the street" is what they've been doing for a while so.. here we are.

#1795029Post 69 of 77

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[QUOTE=ddr;1224489]gotta love America.. the land of corporate freedom and individual asylum

"The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a sweeping suspension of its enforcement of environmental laws Thursday, telling companies they would not need to meet environmental standards during the coronavirus outbreak.

The temporary policy, for which the EPA has set no end date, would allow any number of industries to skirt environmental laws, with the agency saying it will not “seek penalties for noncompliance with routine monitoring and reporting obligations.”

[URL="https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/489753-epa-suspends-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus"]EPA suspends enforcement of environmental laws amid coronavirus | TheHill[/URL][/QUOTE]

That doesn't even compute, how's the virus related to companies skirting environmental laws? I think I've read somewhere about them making (or trying to) abortions a non-essential thing during this too.

[QUOTE=DIDI;1224512]\

Save the world economy??? you have got to be Joking!!! They are fucking us all. !!:evil: With a little bit of help From Boris and Scotty from marketing !![/QUOTE]

I read Boris is positive for virus.

#1795065Post 70 of 77

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They are saying if you filed your 2018 or 19 taxes, you should be getting the direct payments, likely direct deposit if you used that on your federal return, in ~2 weeks.

#1795123Post 71 of 77

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Nice, good to know! I was wondering how they're gonna get the money to us.

#1795175Post 72 of 77

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Not the happiest way but for real, there are loads of music that never got able to surface in normal conditions.

Always thankfull 8)

#1795181Post 73 of 77

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[QUOTE=Weizy;1224487]Thanks, Micko. What is your wife's occupation?

My wife's dental office has suspended operations so she's lost her full income, but luckily she is getting about 50% of her income from unemployment now...[/QUOTE]

I work in mental health, as such still actively involved.

My missus works as a special needs assistant in a special needs school supporting kids with moderate to severe autism. Will be a temp closure. Probably reopen in Sept. Really feel for the families who are coping with little or no support. Looking like many will be redeployed......never seen anything like it.

#1795182Post 74 of 77

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[QUOTE=Micko;1224714]I work in mental health, as such still actively involved.

My missus works as a special needs assistant in a special needs school supporting kids with moderate to severe autism. Will be a temp closure. Probably reopen in Sept. Really feel for the families who are coping with little or no support. Looking like many will be redeployed......never seen anything like it.[/QUOTE]

That is awful. I am sorry to hear that. My wife is still out of work with no end in sight here in Minnesota. We are still below 1000 cases so our peak is yet to arrive. I fear she'll be on the bench for a long time, but we do have unemployment for the time being.

#1795277Post 75 of 77

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[QUOTE=Micko;1224714]I work in mental health, as such still actively involved.

My missus works as a special needs assistant in a special needs school supporting kids with moderate to severe autism. Will be a temp closure. Probably reopen in Sept. Really feel for the families who are coping with little or no support. Looking like many will be redeployed......never seen anything like it.[/QUOTE]

:Respect:

#1795284Post 76 of 77

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[QUOTE=Micko;1224714]I work in mental health, as such still actively involved.

My missus works as a special needs assistant in a special needs school supporting kids with moderate to severe autism. Will be a temp closure. Probably reopen in Sept. Really feel for the families who are coping with little or no support. Looking like many will be redeployed......never seen anything like it.[/QUOTE]

Keep well mate.

Yeah this is a shite.

I have a clothes shop, been going 21 years now, not sure if we will survive this though, depends if my suppliers will write off a large chunk of the invoices or not. Speaking to clothing retailers around the UK and Europe all in the same position. Worse time of year for us, Feb we go into overdraft at bank to pay off the winter season to get the new summer stuff in, we then use March and April takings to get back into the the black at the bank to start paying the Feb/March invoices in May, June and July ready for the autumn/winter product in August.

So we have had £150,000 worth of stock delivered, then no business. If we open in June, we will have maybe 8 weeks to sell a seasons worth if gear. But at what price? 50% off? 75% off to clear it? We need the suppliers to say give us 25% of invoice value to stand a chance of being here. They need to go back to their factories and negotiate the same, and the factories with their suppliers too. If we all do that we stand half a chance.

Looking at the US calculator it looks like $3400 for a couple with 2 kids each month. Are you getting mortgage holidays over there? Card payment holidays etc.?

What about in Ireland Micko? They helping financially over there mate?

#1795286Post 77 of 77

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[QUOTE=Micko;1224714]I work in mental health, as such still actively involved.

My missus works as a special needs assistant in a special needs school supporting kids with moderate to severe autism. Will be a temp closure. Probably reopen in Sept. Really feel for the families who are coping with little or no support. Looking like many will be redeployed......never seen anything like it.[/QUOTE] People are very fortunate that you and your wife are there for them. . Do you use music.?? It has always been my medicine. :)

Stay safe :)

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