[ms] · Est. May 2002
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Oh and one more thing to add... There was 400-500 at the party and only arrested 2 people...
As for what happen in Utah, I really feel for your guys..
I'll say it again,
everyday you wake up more of your rights are getting taken away..
cheers
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This is Utah we're talking about right? Utah. Hahahahaha.
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[quote]srry about this asdf i am not the militant type but i don't bully people and i won't be bullied myself if you are in a legal event and told to leave by the police just because they did not want u there and no other reason then why should you leave. money had been invested by the promoter and you had bought the ticket .you may have even spent your whole week indoors saving money and your weeks wage on clothes to go out that night . looked forward to it for weeks yet because some sheriff/governor decided to go against the law of the land because he thought it might please voters who had not attended or would of not even heard of this event before or after without his intervention . why the fuck should you be compliant just cos he's got a gun and tear gas . the laws are there to defend the way we live and u shouldn't have to defend ureself from the people who inforce them [/quote]
o i am sorry bart. in any important regard you gotta be a very stupid fuck to fight those cops. they were not your state patrol joe, it was SWAT, and NATIONAL GUARD. I can spell that for you as well if you want. DO NOT FUCK WITH. Those guys were on a rush. And frankly if you got in their way, you got a piece of gunmetal. That simple. I am all about picking your fights, but honestly ... did you see that video? there were bad guys everywhere. I am not for the cop actions, but that party was crashed like poping a cherry. no turning back. done and done. There was nothing anyone could of done. You protested you got your ass slam'd and tossed into a paddy wagon.
the fight here is over legal rights. and the fight has only begun. durr.
and this comment ... [quote]why the fuck should you be compliant just cos he's got a gun and tear gas[/quote] you can answer that for yourself. common sense if you ask me. because they have the guns and you do not. :x
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I'll admit I dont care for most rave music these days nor the ACLU but I'm glad they are willing to stand up to this. It's on my msgboard to spread the news too and I wish law enforcement would understand these people are out to have a good time. Drugs unfortunately go on in every scene and that includes Tina Turner concerts. I'm surprised no one ever tried to shut down a Grateful Dead show when Jerry Garcia was alive as those shows were notorious for it.
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that is some sick shit. just goes to show u that this country's priorities are right where they should be(NOT!).
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[quote=zeronineteen]that is some sick shit. just goes to show u that this country's priorities are right where they should be(NOT!).[/quote]
As Fuck boy bush would say... This is the American way...
cheers
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George Bush didn't have anything to do with this. :roll:
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This was done at a county/state level. There were no Feds invovled. hesh.
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[quote=miketpoto]"land of the free ... "
correction-
Um, no.... land of
the society for mass disillusionment through jesus and fear[/quote]
u left out mass media
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[quote] the society for mass disillusionment through jesus and fear[/quote]
mike that is the most ignorant statement upon your part. not all Jesus lovers are bad people and not all go on Crusades to spread the word of God and Sin people to Hell. Honestly a true believer lets their God make their judgement not themselves. I am not a God nor do I have right to tell people what is good or bad. I am not here to judge, that is my Lord's job. :roll:
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[quote=asdf_admin][quote] the society for mass disillusionment through jesus and fear[/quote]
mike that is the most ignorant statement upon your part. not all Jesus lovers are bad people and not all go on Crusades to spread the word of God and Sin people to Hell. Honestly a true believer lets their God make their judgement not themselves. I am not a God nor do I have right to tell people what is good or bad. I am not here to judge, that is my Lord's job. :roll:[/quote]
silly believer, I didnt suggest that all jesus fans were fearmongers or disillusioned, I stated that jesus and fear are being used as tools for mass disillusionment.
The media essentially regurgitates and slants these two basic themes in its political brainwashing ... but thats a separate issue....
If I hated all Bibli-heads I wouldnt be able to continue boinking the dead sexy lutheran minister and his equally yummy anesthesiologist boyfriend.... and that would just plain suck, er... it would BITE i should say.
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hey, i myself am a mormon... which comes to prove that not all mormons are like that...
but then there are some that take things to the extreme, trying to "save" others with a complete disregard for what those others want or believe in...
[quote=shosh]hey, i myself am a mormon... which comes to prove that not all mormons are like that...
but then there are some that take things to the extreme, trying to "save" others with a complete disregard for what those others want or believe in...[/quote]
Funny, my ex and his family were ex-mormon, and I spent a VERY surreal week in and around their Ogden UT home....
at least it ain't provo
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[quote=asdf_admin]
o i am sorry bart. in any important regard you gotta be a very stupid fuck to fight those cops. they were not your state patrol joe, it was SWAT, and NATIONAL GUARD. I can spell that for you as well if you want. DO NOT FUCK WITH. Those guys were on a rush. And frankly if you got in their way, you got a piece of gunmetal. That simple. I am all about picking your fights, but honestly ... did you see that video? there were bad guys everywhere. I am not for the cop actions, but that party was crashed like poping a cherry. no turning back. done and done. There was nothing anyone could of done. You protested you got your ass slam'd and tossed into a paddy wagon.
the fight here is over legal rights. and the fight has only begun. durr.
and this comment ... [quote]why the fuck should you be compliant just cos he's got a gun and tear gas[/quote] you can answer that for yourself. common sense if you ask me. because they have the guns and you do not. :x[/quote] in england there is a huge debate cos armed police( not all police are armed over here ) shot a brazilian who they thought was a suicide bomber it's been in papers last 3 weeks non stop . a policeman insults your hairstyle in this country and he gets fired from his job . not saying it's totaly a good thing but it does mean unless we are participating in something illegal they cannot physicaly or verbaly abuse us in anyway . maybe if you are in a country that can shoot you for just standing still you are the stupid one for accepting it. we fought for our rites over here through the courts ,protests and dissobedience .. just running off and then posting a few comments on the net won't cut it
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this sounds like definete BS, but i am in the school of thought that if a guy in body armor with a german shepard and a gun tells me to move immediatly, guess what im doing? hint its not telling him ""dont touch me"". i'll file my complaint later. he has to give you the badge #(in NY at least), get it and move on. although asking for a badge # is asking for a rectal search. :?
im really wondering why the raid actually occured if they indeed had all the permits and permissions. I havent seen any police statement as to why.
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That is some fvcked up sh!t for sure.
Remember though folks, Mormons are seriously radical, and hypocrital even by Christian standards. Sure its also as conservative a state as you can get, but I don't think that has as much to do with it as the other extremities that take place there. No where in the country is there more dry counties, alcohol is the devil there - imagine what they think about anything harder.
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[quote=Adriel-Levi] i'm all for all ages events but how does this help the image of our scene?! at around this time, i took off to europe, and as a WHOLE i found people were much more responsible about what they ate at clubs and when etc.
just my two cents[/quote]
I don't think we need to debate the fact that Europe produces more worldy young adults, not to mention an environment where to be drunk or high (even a little) is not some taboo mystery that has that added "thinkin with your dick not your mind" power of fucking with your rationale.
Not to mention the majority of [size=1]a[/size]merican culture, oftentimes hypocritically, have a distinct black & white comprehension of "drugs" in the [color=yellow]100%Clean[/color]or[color=darkred]Junkie-whore[/color]. And unfortunately, but not very surprisingly, there seems to be a direct correlation to whether you are a decent human being, or going straight to hell for your horrible weakness that gave way to succumbing to the devil's "temptations". So ultimately (largely in our subconscious I am betting) growing up in the US conditions the population to view and talk about (if not treat) any "drug user" as a 2nd class citizen at best.
This isnt everybody I am well aware, however it's the same soulless/inexcusable bunch of assholes that voted 2X's to make sure things kept getting closer back to "the real america" with values (incest, divorce, infidelity, anti-depressants) hiding so much of who we truly are, this fear of judgement by people we ultimately don't give a fuck about nor should we... and it ends up compromising our ability to connect with eachother as human beings... It's really difficult to begin and grow a truly deep and complex realtionship (platonic or otherwise) when both parties involved are pre-screening and censoring their actual thoughts and hiding whatever parts of themselves this fear-induced warped-perception of self worth...
(so many people fully convinced that another person's opinion of them somehow has this remotely palpable correlation to who they truly are, or how much more or less deserving/entitled they are to getting what they want out of life)
Please, if anyone reads this and it even vaguely occurs to you that you are holding yourself back from doing whatever it is you really enjoy or love, STOP and PONDER... how fucked and painful will that day(s) be when you look back at the road you've travelled.... acknowledging to yourself that you gave up your drivers seat essentially, and got on a bus with no posted route or destination because a few assholes, who quite likely are more "fucked up" than you ever were, or thought you were, or who knows.... maybe you are useless and boring and republican...
[size=6]My point is this....[/size] whatever it is that the US government, Utah cops, or the cunty prom queen are doing that fucks with our ability to enjoy our own lives (assuming you aren't affecting someone else's same right) Nothing will ever change the fact that your life is YOUR life, and FUCK ANYONE who feels so entitled, or lacking the capacity to contemplate the repercussions of their actions in regards to anyone but themselves...
Fuck anyone's explantion, theory, or propaganda... call it what you will... It is painfully evident when someone is dictating the lives of others and calls it protecting the "greater good". In the end it's clear-cut human neurosis from the fear of losing any power or control over others, it's then that we see behavior like in the video where the actions are indisputely unprovoked OVERREACTIONS to a non-existent "threat of freedom"(?).....
I'm fuming too much to try and achieve clarifying in words something I have intense convictions about on a somewhat conceptual level I suppose. And I have to go to my devil worship tuesday night meeting, or my faggot permit will get revoked... you know how it is :)Re: READ IMO! SCARY UTAH RAVE SWAT TEAM BUST
[quote=EvenSteven]George Bush didn't have anything to do with this. :roll:[/quote]
No shit... But what about florida... remember operation HEATRAVE.. That had the feds.
cheers
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[quote=EvenSteven]George Bush didn't have anything to do with this. :roll:[/quote]
[quote=asdf_admin]This was done at a county/state level. There were no Feds invovled. hesh.[/quote]
That's the first thing I thought when the first (but of course inevitable) Bush bash came. You would think that he was down there with camo on and an M-16 in his hand. I'll bet some of you haters can actually see him in the video if you look hard enough. :roll:
That being said...fuck this bullshit. Full armor and automatic weapons?? To bust a party??!!! I gurantee every one of those bitchass cops went home and rubbed one out while reliving throwing some 17 year old chick to the ground and slapping the cuffs on her. Fucking assholes. :evil:
I didn't initially think so, but you know what these guys might just have a pretty strong case...
[quote]Official Statement and Information from the Promoters of Versus.
First off, we would like to thank all of the people who have come to our side in the wake of this deplorable incident. We apologize for not being able to provide you all with information faster. We are doing everything we can for people who were affected by the actions of the police. We as community have been underestimated. The finger has been waved about our character and ability. Because of this, now is the time to stand up together and show the world exactly how we don?t plan to take this lying down and teach a couple old dogs a thing or two about what character is. So, this is what we need to do?
To put a stop to any rumors, or false statements that have been cropping up, we would like to clarify a couple of key issues.
* Was the party permitted?
Yes, period, end of story. Now for the reason this has been in question: According to the county laws
([url]http://www.utahcountyonline.com/app...ATTY/Chap13.pdf[/url])
in Section 13-4-2-1:
Required.
No person shall permit, maintain, promote, conduct, advertise, act as entrepreneur, undertake, organize, manage, or sell or give tickets to an actual or reasonably anticipated assembly of two hundred fifty (250) or more people which continues or can reasonably be expected to continue for twelve (12) or more consecutive hours, whether on public or private property unless a license to hold the assembly has first been issued by the County Commissioners. (Ord. No. 1971-4, Section 2, 7-7-71) (emphasis added)
It states that if the party was to exceed 250 people OR go over 12 consecutive hours we would have needed to clear it with the county commissioner.
The FACT is, that although the party was to exceed 250 people, it was NOT to go over 12 hours. This is evidenced by the DJ?s time slots, and the agreement between Performance Audio and Brandon Fullmer. The permit was granted, and then seized by the Utah County police, clearly stated across the top ?Utah County Health Department Mass Gathering Permit.?
It was not made clear by any employee of Utah County or member of the Utah County Sheriffs Depatment at any time prior to the event that anything else may have been required by law.
* Were any individuals injured by the police?
This should be self-evident that this statement is true. However, the issue needs to be addressed. The police have stated that no one was injured. There is photo and video evidence to prove otherwise. This evidence will be coming out in the press conference, which will be occurring soon.
* Did the police use tazers?
Tazers were not used; however we have sufficient evidence and reason to believe that STUN guns were present and allegedly used.
* Were dogs used to subdue party goers?
Yes, the K-9 units were present, and used in this operation. We have testimonials and evidence to show that the dogs were used as frightening motivational tools in evacuating the area plus you can distinctly hear them in the video.
* Were cameras and videos broken or confiscated by the police?
This is true. We will provide photos and provide the actual cameras that were destroyed in the ?operation? at the press conference.
* Was Brandon Fullmer involved in promoting the event called Sequence?
No. For both Versus and Sequence, there is a promoter involved named Brandon, however, they are NOT the same person. No question. This is being addressed because the Utah County Sheriffs department seems to believe these individuals are the same, when in fact they are not
* Did the police officers find any weapons?
Yes, the police did arrest and charge one person with possession of a firearm. This individual in question was the land owner?s son, on his own property.
* Did the police seize large amounts of drugs?
[size=3]Police did seize illicit drugs; a large portion of the drugs seized were drugs that the security officers had confiscated from event goers. Admittedly, this is a sticky issue. Police say security should not have those substances, but it is security?s job to keep the environment as safe as possible from potential harmful situations.
* What are our feelings about police presence at these events?
Many times past we have hired off duty police officers to patrol and attend these events as added security. There have also been many times where police have come, and have walked through our parties. Had the police even attempted to contact us before hand, they would have been a welcome presence.
* Was this event a secret, only for people ?in the know??
ABSOLUTELY not! This event was in no way, shape or form a secret. It was a highly publicized and promoted event. If this event had been a secret, or a covert operation in any way, why were great lengths taken to obtain permits? This event was no secret.
What are we as promoters doing about this situation?
1.We are currently working with legal representation to ensure we do not get steamrolled by Utah County. We are working with Brian M. Barnard who is considered to be one, if not the best civil rights attorney in the state of Utah. You can read about his many accomplishments online if you so desire.
2.We have set up the web-site [url]www.Music-Versus-Guns.org[/url]. This is taking a bit longer than expected to set up the site properly due to the large amount of interest in this situation. However, we are in the process of making this a centralized site with information on a multitude of issues pertaining to this particular incident. Please visit this site to learn more about what happened and what you can do.
If for any reason you have direct testimony that differs from what you see portraied by a story on television, or on the radio, or believe the story has been skewed from the facts to present opinion of the station or the reporter that differs from the truth, please feel free to notify Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting at [url]www.fair.org[/url] which is a media watch dog group. Thus far I believe most of the reports have not been biased in any way so far but the link is here if you feel you need it.
Obviously, this is a lot of work, which is why we need your help and continued support.
What can you do?
There are many different priorities with regards to what needs to happen, and we would appreciate whatever help you can give in these areas.
a. We need written statements with explicit detail about everything. From the time you left your home, to when you got back home. Please try to leave all speculation and personal opinions out of it. JUST THE FACTS!!! Also, keep them as professional as possible; if you are not confident in your writing skills, there are individuals who can assist you with this. Leave your contact information and FULL name at the bottom; along with addresses, phone numbers, email, etc. Contact information will not be made public!
Please send these statements to: [email]Dimitri801@comcast.net[/email]
Many of you have already written eloquent and detailed descriptions of your night; thank you so much! We just ask that you add and/or edit anything that may need it.
b. We ARE be willing to videotape these statements as well.
Your experiences of the evening are the heart of this matter and we know that this may be a hard matter to discuss but the world needs to know that you are a real person with a serious grievance. If you are interested and willing to do this, please contact Dimitri at: (801) 577-8281 or by email [email]Dimitri801@comcast.net[/email]
We will require each individuals consent to post or use any of this material.
c. Most importantly if you took photo?s of any injuries, WE NEED COPIES immediately! There is a good guideline on how to document these injuries here:
[url]http://www.flora.org/legal/legal_info/document_injuries.html[/url] -and- [url]http://www.fleschnerlaw.com/infolin...TING%20INJURIES[/url]
if you have not already done this. Bruises fade; cuts and wounds heal, and the sooner this is captured the better off everyone is. If you did not file a police report for any of your grievances out of intimidation or fear; do it now, with them or the ACLU at: [url]http://www.acluutah.org/[/url] There is a form located on the website where you can electronically file a complaint against the police. The police seem to be very curious as to why no one is willing to come in and report any alleged trauma or police brutality to the police; please be sure to include any of your reasons when you do this.
What if I made it out of the event unharmed and wasn?t harrased?
However, you are still an eyewitness account of what happened, and we need it. Once again, we are not interested in if you think the police involved are unscrupulous and/or immoral, with the intent of maliciously stomping on individual?s civil liberties. All we want are the FACTS about what you saw. We need these accounts to directly refute the lies the police keep reporting to the media. We have already caught some of their inaccuracies, and need to keep doing just that. Please state everything that happened the second you left home until the time you returned home. Include everything you can, who was with you, times, and details. The sooner you do this the better!!Just like wounds, memories fade ? hop on this people! Please include your full name and contact information; name, date, telephone/fax numbers, addresses and send these statements to
[email]Dimitri801@comcast.net[/email] ?or- [email]nadia_73@hotmail.com[/email]
Do everything in your power to make sure every human being on the face of the planet hears you. This is not just about an event, it is about freedom and civil liberties; it is also about the police overstepping their bounds and justifying it however they please. Once you start talking? do not ever shut up. If this is what happens today, and people stay silent, what will the police think they can get away with tomorrow? Silence will encourage their negative behavior.
To the people who were not in attendance
Ultimately to prevent something like this ever happening again, it is up to ALL OF US. We must have teamwork and solidarity ? having unity goes without saying. This fight is neither going to be short nor easy; we want to ensure that it is not you who needs our help someday. In order to have good teamwork, we need to be able to communicate so please visit the website, do what you can do, and please feel free to contact the people below as needed.
Contact Information
Brandon Fullmer [email]Loki801@comcast.net[/email] Phone; (801) 363-7955 Fax (801) 363-7943
For all matters related to needed legal statements contact- Dimitri Mumulidisz [email]Dimitri801@comcast.net[/email] Phone: (801) 577-8281
For all internet related issues - Nadia [email]Nadia_73@hotmail.com[/email]
For all press related issues please contact- Justin Kahn [email]rockstar_con@hotmail.com[/email] Phone: (801) 755-9300
There are others who are helping as well; we will get their contact information up promptly.
The Websites
[url]www.Music-Versus-Guns.org[/url]
[url]www.Utrave.org[/url][/quote]
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Looks like Loki's lawsuit with Utah County got shut down just like the rave did. I guess raves are illegal in Utah County even if their legal. Read up: [url]http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_179104539.html[/url]
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:roflmao: Thanks for the vids. :RockOn:
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[QUOTE]Peter Stirba, who represented the county and several of its officials, said the county likely will seek to be compensated for attorneys’ fees. [/QUOTE]
They party promoters didnt get knocked up just once, they are gonna get slammed with the County attorney fees. Pretty fucked up shit all around. No undeground raving in Nevada for me.
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None of the vids work?
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vid here: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDZRmW-oOkA[/url]
and news report from then here: [url]http://kutv.com/archive/local_story_235151602.html[/url]